2025 Draft prospects - thread 2

[TheSuzerain]

Maluach at the top of the draft is iffy and I think there was a while there he was overrated (which has been corrected or even over corrected after Houston game).

He'd be a steal at #12.

[CROBulls]

Maluach at the top of the draft is iffy and I think there was a while there he was overrated (which has been corrected or even over corrected after Houston game).

He'd be a steal at #12.

All you guys gonna hate him when in his 3rd or 4th year before rookie deal expires goes without a rebound in a game and you know AKME is gonna give him north of 30M per year extension. I cannot wait.

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I don't know why nobody is talking about Ryan Kalkbrenner. Because he's a senior from Creighton? Because he's 23? So what - that means he's ready to contribute sooner. His highlights are excellent and his stats are top notch. 19 PPG, 65% FG%, 9 RB, 2.5 BLKS, 34.4% 3PT, four time Defensive Player of the Year. Played and did great against solid competition. 7'1" with 7'5" wingspan.

Watch on YouTube

[2weekswithpay]

Lively averaged 5/5/1 at Duke, and yet he was able to play an important role on a team that went to the finals as a rookie. I've been critical of Maluach on here before, but his statistical numbers are in line with his age and role.

I agree, but I think the catch is that his role and game were a reflection of the fact that he's going to be such a slow burn outcome with a lot of ups and downs. He had 2 games last season where he played over 30 minutes. There were a handful of games against quality opponents where they just couldn't play him.

"Gobert with a 3" is such a dreamy outcome, but the probability of that is so slim and shouldn't be the primary reason you want him. His median outcome is my main concern, but if he's even Mark Williams or Jalen Duren, I think that would be acceptable.

How slow are we talking about? If they aren't a solid backup/fringe starter by the end of your rookie contract, you can move on. Even raw rim runners or traditional bigs tend to start producing around year 3 or 4 if they're going to develop into starting caliber centers.

I'm a bit higher on his floor than most. Given Maluach's age, size, and physical traits, it's hard for me to imagine him flaming out. Gafford seems like a solid median outcome IMO.

[Jvaughn]

Apparently I've talked myself all in on Will Riley if Maluach or other prospects don't fall to us at 12. Kid is extremely raw still, but is very advanced with the ball in his hands. If we ultimately settle on Buz at the 4, I really like Riley at the other wing spot. I feel like his shot is going to eventually come around which will open up the rest of his game.

[2weekswithpay]

I don't know why nobody is talking about Ryan Kalkbrenner. Because he's a senior from Creighton? Because he's 23? So what - that means he's ready to contribute sooner. His highlights are excellent and his stats are top notch. 19 PPG, 65% FG%, 9 RB, 2.5 BLKS, 34.4% 3PT, four time Defensive Player of the Year. Played and did great against solid competition. 7'1" with 7'5" wingspan.

Watch on YouTube

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He's been mentioned before, but 2nd round picks aren't going to get more attention than the guys we could draft at 12.

[Chi town]

Apparently I've talked myself all in on Will Riley if Maluach or other prospects don't fall to us at 12. Kid is extremely raw still, but is very advanced with the ball in his hands. If we ultimately settle on Buz at the 4, I really like Riley at the other wing spot. I feel like his shot is going to eventually come around which will open up the rest of his game.

He’s a good fit next to Buz on the wing. His body will take a couple years before it’s NBA ready. Would trade back and take him if Noa is gone.

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Apparently I've talked myself all in on Will Riley if Maluach or other prospects don't fall to us at 12. Kid is extremely raw still, but is very advanced with the ball in his hands. If we ultimately settle on Buz at the 4, I really like Riley at the other wing spot. I feel like his shot is going to eventually come around which will open up the rest of his game.

He’s a good fit next to Buz on the wing. His body will take a couple years before it’s NBA ready. Would trade back and take him if Noa is gone.

The question is: Why is he a 2nd round pick? I’d take him over Beringer or Renaud or Wolf any day.

[DuckIII]

Apparently I've talked myself all in on Will Riley if Maluach or other prospects don't fall to us at 12. Kid is extremely raw still, but is very advanced with the ball in his hands. If we ultimately settle on Buz at the 4, I really like Riley at the other wing spot. I feel like his shot is going to eventually come around which will open up the rest of his game.

He’s a good fit next to Buz on the wing. His body will take a couple years before it’s NBA ready. Would trade back and take him if Noa is gone.

The question is: Why is he a 2nd round pick? I’d take him over Beringer or Renaud or Wolf any day.

Will Riley is a second round pick?

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He’s a good fit next to Buz on the wing. His body will take a couple years before it’s NBA ready. Would trade back and take him if Noa is gone.

The question is: Why is he a 2nd round pick? I’d take him over Beringer or Renaud or Wolf any day.

Will Riley is a second round pick?

Response on the wrong post. Oops.

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I don't know why nobody is talking about Ryan Kalkbrenner. Because he's a senior from Creighton? Because he's 23? So what - that means he's ready to contribute sooner. His highlights are excellent and his stats are top notch. 19 PPG, 65% FG%, 9 RB, 2.5 BLKS, 34.4% 3PT, four time Defensive Player of the Year. Played and did great against solid competition. 7'1" with 7'5" wingspan.

Watch on YouTube

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He's been mentioned before, but 2nd round picks aren't going to get more attention than the guys we could draft at 12.

The question is: Why is he considered a 2nd round pick? I’d take him over Beringer or Reynard or Wolf any day. An absolute steal if he’s taken in Round 2.

[Chi town]

Kalkbrenner is a Luke Kornet type of athlete. He will get abused in PNR but will provide some rim protection. He can shoot and has some skills. I'd be happy with him in the 2nd.

[2weekswithpay]

I don't know why nobody is talking about Ryan Kalkbrenner. Because he's a senior from Creighton? Because he's 23? So what - that means he's ready to contribute sooner. His highlights are excellent and his stats are top notch. 19 PPG, 65% FG%, 9 RB, 2.5 BLKS, 34.4% 3PT, four time Defensive Player of the Year. Played and did great against solid competition. 7'1" with 7'5" wingspan.

Watch on YouTube

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He's been mentioned before, but 2nd round picks aren't going to get more attention than the guys we could draft at 12.

The question is: Why is he considered a 2nd round pick? I’d take him over Beringer or Reynard or Wolf any day. An absolute steal if he’s taken in Round 2.

1. Age
2. Questionable defensive rebounding
3. Below average lateral quickness

If Kalkbrenner could pass or shoot 3s better, I think he would have more first-round buzz.

[Muzbar]

Maluach at the top of the draft is iffy and I think there was a while there he was overrated (which has been corrected or even over corrected after Houston game).

He'd be a steal at #12.

All you guys gonna hate him when in his 3rd or 4th year before rookie deal expires goes without a rebound in a game and you know AKME is gonna give him north of 30M per year extension. I cannot wait.

So, literally any player that AK selects?

[Jvaughn]

Apparently I've talked myself all in on Will Riley if Maluach or other prospects don't fall to us at 12. Kid is extremely raw still, but is very advanced with the ball in his hands. If we ultimately settle on Buz at the 4, I really like Riley at the other wing spot. I feel like his shot is going to eventually come around which will open up the rest of his game.

He’s a good fit next to Buz on the wing. His body will take a couple years before it’s NBA ready. Would trade back and take him if Noa is gone.

Not sure he even makes it out the lottery after workouts. Would definitely be risky to trade back if he's the target.

[BullsSD]

Maluach at the top of the draft is iffy and I think there was a while there he was overrated (which has been corrected or even over corrected after Houston game).

He'd be a steal at #12.

All you guys gonna hate him when in his 3rd or 4th year before rookie deal expires goes without a rebound in a game and you know AKME is gonna give him north of 30M per year extension. I cannot wait.

This is crazy. Based on one game in college where schemes matter and good players disappear all the time if their coach isn’t able to adjust.

It was an ugly game, but I refuse to believe this is reasonable analysis. 3rd or 4th year? 0 rebounds? I think he would be closer to averaging 15 & 15. I just don’t see why the board hates this guy so much. He’s perfect for this team.

[BullsSD]

Someone watch this and tell me why Newell shouldn’t be pick at 12. Tall, athletic, great hops, strong finisher at the rim, strong on the offensive boards, good outside shooting touch. All of that in the best conference in college basketball. Yes Matas can play the 3.

https://youtu.be/sI0XJIKX_68?si=IU5C4GfE6JV30u4E

Only concern on Newell over Maluach is Newell gets cooked vs Jokic, Wemby, Holmgen, Harstein, Adams, etc. etc. We have to have a big rim protector to compete. It’s new age ball.

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He's been mentioned before, but 2nd round picks aren't going to get more attention than the guys we could draft at 12.

The question is: Why is he considered a 2nd round pick? I’d take him over Beringer or Reynard or Wolf any day. An absolute steal if he’s taken in Round 2.

1. Age
2. Questionable defensive rebounding
3. Below average lateral quickness

If Kalkbrenner could pass or shoot 3s better, I think he would have more first-round buzz.

I understand there's some kind of logic behind his lower ranking. But he averages 9 rebounds per game, so #2 doesn't hold up. As for #1, so he's 23. Everyone talks about how bigs take more time to develop. So you draft a young big, but he doesn't really contribute much for a few years. Then you have to pay him much more for his next contract. I'd go for the Taj Gibson move. We don't need another PW. Draft the mature player who can contribute right away -- especially if it's late in the 1st round or in the 2nd. As for lateral quickness, check out those highlights. He has no problem moving his feet or responding quickly to block shots. I think he's a sleeper.

[Chi town]

Apparently I've talked myself all in on Will Riley if Maluach or other prospects don't fall to us at 12. Kid is extremely raw still, but is very advanced with the ball in his hands. If we ultimately settle on Buz at the 4, I really like Riley at the other wing spot. I feel like his shot is going to eventually come around which will open up the rest of his game.

He’s a good fit next to Buz on the wing. His body will take a couple years before it’s NBA ready. Would trade back and take him if Noa is gone.

Not sure he even makes it out the lottery after workouts. Would definitely be risky to trade back if he's the target.

I think the opposite. I think they will see his weak frame and think he won’t play real mins until his 2nd season. I will be surprised if he goes before 16.

I would recommend him having a similar ramp up like Buz did his rookie year. Mid season he would be ready to play. Hes smart and can shoot it. His length with Buz on D would play and disrupt.

[2weekswithpay]

The question is: Why is he considered a 2nd round pick? I’d take him over Beringer or Reynard or Wolf any day. An absolute steal if he’s taken in Round 2.

1. Age
2. Questionable defensive rebounding
3. Below average lateral quickness

If Kalkbrenner could pass or shoot 3s better, I think he would have more first-round buzz.

I understand there's some kind of logic behind his lower ranking. But he averages 9 rebounds per game, so #2 doesn't hold up. As for #1, so he's 23. Everyone talks about how bigs take more time to develop. So you draft a young big, but he doesn't really contribute much for a few years. Then you have to pay him much more for his next contract. I'd go for the Taj Gibson move. We don't need another PW. Draft the mature player who can contribute right away -- especially if it's late in the 1st round or in the 2nd. As for lateral quickness, check out those highlights. He has no problem moving his feet or responding quickly to block shots. I think he's a sleeper.

Kalkbrenner's rebounding numbers aren't terrible, but it took 5 years for him to reach an OREB% of 8.8% and a DREB% of 18.4%. Most NBA prospects have better rebounding numbers while being younger. These rebounding numbers would be fine if he were a freshman or sophomore, but he's a 5th year senior. Kalkbrenner can't switch, so I wouldn't say he's fine moving his feet.



I don't know why people say that, but every position takes time to develop. Contributing right away is something fans say, but it rarely happens. The majority of rookies are bad and won't help you win games. This includes older rookies as well.

With older players, you are trading upside for a slightly higher floor and potentially being able to contribute a year or two early. The Bulls aren't contenders, we don't need win now players.