WOJ: NBA investigating possible tampering: Update Bulls forfeit 2nd Round Pick pg. 31

[dougthonus]

Portland is 10-1 at home. Need that to slide and their pick is going to start looking appetizing.

Pick is protected (1-14). Which means to get a pick earliest Portland needs to finish 15th best team the league which is exactly where they are right now.

As of this exact second, Portland is tied for the 9th/10th seed. They are also 1/2 game out of the five way tie for the 4th seed.

[FriedRise]

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[BullChit]

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With the way AK drafts in the second round this kinda sucks but I'LL TAKE IT...

And it you ain't down with that I got three words for ya Suck it Silver...

[MrSparkle]

Portland is 10-1 at home. Need that to slide and their pick is going to start looking appetizing.

Pick is protected (1-14). Which means to get a pick earliest Portland needs to finish 15th best team the league which is exactly where they are right now.

As of this exact second, Portland is tied for the 9th/10th seed. They are also 1/2 game out of the five way tie for the 4th seed.

Always baffled how Portland starts each season so badly. They always seem to come back with a strong late season run as a fringe seed. Lillard seems to be in the biggest slump of his career. If it continues into the new year and they're sub-500, I wonder if they just shut him down for the year and tank. It's not like they have a bad roster, but they're really not going anywhere if he's shooting under 40%. He's only 31 and he's carried the Blazers for a while. The Olympics were probably more exhausting for him than expected. Sometimes these vet PGs need an off-year/healing/recalibration to come back strong (i.e. CP3 2nd year Houston, Curry bubble year). I also wouldn't really look to trade him (unless the return was amazing, which I don't think Morey or the Knicks can offer). Just do a soft tank for 1 or 2 seasons and really go for it when he's 33. They don't seem to draft very well though.

[bad knees]

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I wonder if the Bulls could satisfy the punishment by buying pick #60 this year (at presumably a very low price) and then forfeiting it to the league. It would seem to work given how the punishment was phrased in the league's press release and how it has been interpreted so far.

On the other hand, maybe it's best just to count on the Denver pick conveying and being forfeited in 2023. DEN will have Murray back, and even if MPJ is out, they should have a very good team with Jokic and Murray in 2022-2023. The pick should convey and it should be in the mid-50's.

[DASMACKDOWN]

Pick is protected (1-14). Which means to get a pick earliest Portland needs to finish 15th best team the league which is exactly where they are right now.

As of this exact second, Portland is tied for the 9th/10th seed. They are also 1/2 game out of the five way tie for the 4th seed.

Always baffled how Portland starts each season so badly. They always seem to come back with a strong late season run as a fringe seed. Lillard seems to be in the biggest slump of his career. If it continues into the new year and they're sub-500, I wonder if they just shut him down for the year and tank. It's not like they have a bad roster, but they're really not going anywhere if he's shooting under 40%. He's only 31 and he's carried the Blazers for a while. The Olympics were probably more exhausting for him than expected. Sometimes these vet PGs need an off-year/healing/recalibration to come back strong (i.e. CP3 2nd year Houston, Curry bubble year). I also wouldn't really look to trade him (unless the return was amazing, which I don't think Morey or the Knicks can offer). Just do a soft tank for 1 or 2 seasons and really go for it when he's 33. They don't seem to draft very well though.

In my opinion Portland has been an overachieving team for years now. When LMA left that was supposed to be the end of that run. But Dame with CJ always found a way to always make a run to the playoffs with just scraps. You look at their roster the last 5 years.

Think of it like Jo after Deng got traded. That was supposed to be the end of the playoff runs but Jo and Thibs said not on my watch. LOL

[madvillian]

League felt they had to do something; league didn't really want to do anything -- so **** is where we are at. I'm fine with it I guess.

[jordanwilliams6]

Second rounders are worthless as trade commodities. They can be purchased for cash or get throw into deals for mediocre talent all the time. Guys like Coby, TBJ etc. would being back second rounders in trades.

[NecessaryEvil]

Whew hoo!!!

2 1st rd picks in the coming draft!!!

Bulls 2022 1st (non-tradeable)
Portland 2022 1st (tradeable)
Tony Bradley
Derrick Jones Jr. (expiring)
Javonte Green
Troy Brown Jr.
Coby White
Patrick Williams

Between this upcoming deadline and next offseason, we have a healthy amount of assets increasing in value. We'll be in the ECF by next season. I would re-sign DJJ & hold onto Patrick Williams & Javonte Green though personally. Portland pick, Bradley, Troy Brown Jr. & Coby White (draft deal) could get us a player or combination of players to put take us to the next level.

Another regular season to enhance our team, the value of our roster and get the attn of Nikola Jokic. He'd be all-time legendary to win #7 in Chicago.

Don't think we would even have to wait that long to see what's up with jokic

My personal opinion. Kevin durant is very much in play this coming off season.

Bulls (KD, Zach, DeMar, Lonzo etc.)

vs

GSW (Steph, Klay, Dray, Poole etc.)


Would be one of the highest viewed NBA Finals of all time.

[fleet]

I am simply devastated at losing Denver's 2023 second if they finish with a top 13 record or our 2026 second or our 2028 second.

What a dumb charade. [b]Why aren't the Pelicans getting penalized for tampering with Garrett Temple?[/b] How'd they work that out in a minute?

Not having an agent stupidly blabbing at the mouth.

[PlayerUp]

I am simply devastated at losing Denver's 2023 second if they finish with a top 13 record or our 2026 second or our 2028 second.

What a dumb charade. [b]Why aren't the Pelicans getting penalized for tampering with Garrett Temple?[/b] How'd they work that out in a minute?

Not having an agent stupidly blabbing at the mouth.

Pelicans were involved in the trade and they didn't receive any punishment. It takes 2 to tangle in a trade. Both should have received a fine.

[PlayerUp]

The fact that it took 3+ months to investigate some simple emails/calls shows us the NBA was way over their heads with this investigation. I'm not sure they really wanted to be involved with this either and just wanted to wrap this up.

If they truly cared, they should have easily investigated the Lakers, punished the Raptors/Pelicans and docked harsh penalties on the Heat/Bulls. They didn't do anything.

All 30 NBA teams will resume tampering next offseason.

[Pax for Prez]

During the draft the Bulls should use their own late 1st and trade down a few spots and pick up a late 2nd in 2022 just to meet the forfeit requirements.

The 2023 draft might have High Schools Players eligible and be a double draft. Denver's pick may have more value since it is our only possible pick that year.

[fleet]

I am simply devastated at losing Denver's 2023 second if they finish with a top 13 record or our 2026 second or our 2028 second.

What a dumb charade. [b]Why aren't the Pelicans getting penalized for tampering with Garrett Temple?[/b] How'd they work that out in a minute?

Not having an agent stupidly blabbing at the mouth.

Pelicans were involved in the trade and they didn't receive any punishment. It takes 2 to tangle in a trade. Both should have received a fine.

The Bulls were the team tampering though. The NBA isn’t really interested in justice, just some basic parameters for appearances.

[step]

Could always buy a second round pick. Although the Bulls always seen to sell their SRP instead of buying another team’s.

We were basically punished with $3M fine. Because that is rate for 2nd rounder. I still wanna see proof and evidence why we were found guilty in first place. To think that after 4 months of investigation all they could come up is 2nd rounder is so terrible from their standpoint. They basically decided to punish us with something because they spend 4 months finding nothing and wasting time.

It does feel that way.

[Repeat 3-peat]

I'm not sure how we'll recover from this.

[kulaz3000]

The fact that it took 3+ months to investigate some simple emails/calls shows us the NBA was way over their heads with this investigation. I'm not sure they really wanted to be involved with this either and just wanted to wrap this up.

If they truly cared, they should have easily investigated the Lakers, punished the Raptors/Pelicans and docked harsh penalties on the Heat/Bulls. They didn't do anything.

All 30 NBA teams will resume tampering next offseason.

I said from the beginning this whole tampering is a nonsense and the league knows it. This entire investigation and penalty is just to shut up some of the owners and front office people who throw up the occasional stink because things are 'unfair'.

The point being, the intent of the rule is fine, but it's just too difficult to enforce - it's just never going to be able to happen. Not when players and agents have so much more power than they ever had previously, just to put these rules on the teams themselves just goes to show that even the league don't take these rules seriously.

[inescape]

Just buy the last pick in the draft and give it to the league and it’s done.

[step]

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What I still can't get over is how empty that statement is. I don't know how they thought this was sufficient?
I would expect all 28 other teams to object loudly too.

[fleet]

The fact that it took 3+ months to investigate some simple emails/calls shows us the NBA was way over their heads with this investigation. I'm not sure they really wanted to be involved with this either and just wanted to wrap this up.

If they truly cared, they should have easily investigated the Lakers, punished the Raptors/Pelicans and docked harsh penalties on the Heat/Bulls. They didn't do anything.

All 30 NBA teams will resume tampering next offseason.

I said from the beginning this whole tampering is a nonsense and the league knows it. This entire investigation and penalty is just to shut up some of the owners and front office people who throw up the occasional stink because things are 'unfair'.

The point being, the intent of the rule is fine, but it's just too difficult to enforce - it's just never going to be able to happen. Not when players and agents have so much more power than they ever had previously, just to put these rules on the teams themselves just goes to show that even the league don't take these rules seriously.

It was basically a warning shot at Rich Paul and Klutch as a response for embarrassing the league and putting their business out on the street. So, I see it like penalizing the Bulls is the same principle used as when a DI makes the entire platoon do extra pushups because one guy effed something up. It becomes peer pressure for Klutch now to tighten up the ship.