Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng

[BIG Game]

If he keeps this up or something close I'd like to keep Deng. Or at the very least negotiate with him, I'm thinking 12mil for 3 years. Hopefully we could move Boozer to a desperate team this trade deadline, for a young player/disgruntled player.

[GoBlue72391]

playing heavy minutes is a great deal of Deng's value. If Deng was a 32 minute a game player, he wouldn't be too valuable. He needs those minutes to produce.

That's absurd. Why would he only play 32 MPG? 36 MPG is the norm for quality starters, and his Per 36 numbers are very good.

To say Deng is only good because he plays a ton of minutes is just selling him short.

I know. He's not good because he plays a ton of minutes. But it is his greatest attribute

If you say so...

[League Circles]

If Deng continues to clearly separate himself further and further from Boozer as the season goes on, I'll bet that the Bulls agree to an extension with Deng right before the trade deadline. I think Boozer's relatively strong playoff performance, contract status and showing up in great shape had them thinking they'd go with him over Deng next year, but now that he's cooled off as usual and Deng is straight lighting it up, I think they'll revert to what was probably once the default plan - amnesty Boozer, resign Deng, bring Mirotic on the MLE and bring in a BAE player and a rookie or two to replace guys like Nazr, Murphy, James, maybe Kirk.

[GoBlue72391]

Deng has never been great. He's a good role player. It's a 5 game stretch, not 16

Role player is the most misused term in all of basketball. Deng is not and never has been a role player. A role player is a player with one skill, like Kyle Korver or Ronnie Brewer. They fill the role of shooting specialist and defensive stopper, respectively. What "role" is Deng playing? All of them (scoring, defense, rebouding), so he's not a role player.

5 game stretch? Check his stats for the past 10 games, or better yet check his stats through all 16 games so far this year.

[Mech Engineer]

The one thing I don't like is running Deng as the 1st option with Rose being out. It is not helping him or the Bulls. No team will run him as the 1st option in the future or is it helping the Bulls to develop anyone else. I would rather run the 4th quarter plays through Noah, Taj or Snell who all can develop confidence in their offensive games. Thibs did run a play for Noah yesterday and that should help.

[Ice the knees]

Deng has never been great. He's a good role player. It's a 5 game stretch, not 16

Role player is the most misused term in all of basketball. Deng is not and never has been a role player. A role player is a player with one skill, like Kyle Korver or Ronnie Brewer. They fill the role of shooting specialist and defensive stopper, respectively. What "role" is Deng playing? All of them (scoring, defense, rebouding), so he's not a role player.

5 game stretch? Check his stats for the past 10 games, or better yet check his stats through all 16 games so far this year.

8pt 5 reb
5pt 9 reb
11pt 5reb

Only posting it because it means as much as Deng's current run.

Deng is not as bad as those numbers and not as good as his current stretch.

But when rose goes down deng is inconsistent. He's a role player

[Rerisen]

The one thing I don't like is running Deng as the 1st option with Rose being out. It is not helping him or the Bulls. No team will run him as the 1st option in the future or is it helping the Bulls to develop anyone else. I would rather run the 4th quarter plays through Noah, Taj or Snell who all can develop confidence in their offensive games. Thibs did run a play for Noah yesterday and that should help.

Well its helping the tank at least. Because last night was pretty much 'best case outcome' of Deng playing like a #1, and we still lost. Most nights he'll perform the role far worse.

[GoBlue72391]

Deng has never been great. He's a good role player. It's a 5 game stretch, not 16

Role player is the most misused term in all of basketball. Deng is not and never has been a role player. A role player is a player with one skill, like Kyle Korver or Ronnie Brewer. They fill the role of shooting specialist and defensive stopper, respectively. What "role" is Deng playing? All of them (scoring, defense, rebouding), so he's not a role player.

5 game stretch? Check his stats for the past 10 games, or better yet check his stats through all 16 games so far this year.

8pt 5 reb
5pt 9 reb
11pt 5reb

Only posting it because it means as much as Deng's current run.

Deng is not as bad as those numbers and not as good as his current stretch.

But when rose goes down deng is inconsistent. He's a role player

3 bad games mean just as much as the 13 good ones? Okay then...

He's not a role player. You don't know what role player means.

[Ice Man]

I think Boozer's relatively strong playoff performance, contract status and showing up in great shape had them thinking they'd go with him over Deng next year.

Relatively only to low expectations. His 2013 playoffs PER was worse than any regular-season PER he has ever posted, and barely above his 2011 playoffs. It's not as if he was particularly good last spring. Just not outright bad.

[League Circles]

I think Boozer's relatively strong playoff performance, contract status and showing up in great shape had them thinking they'd go with him over Deng next year.

Relatively only to low expectations. His 2013 playoffs PER was worse than any regular-season PER he has ever posted, and barely above his 2011 playoffs. It's not as if he was particularly good last spring. Just not outright bad.

Agreed. I think it was probably just refreshing for the FO to see him have quite a few good playoff games against both Brooklyn and Miami. The overall numbers were brought down by the bad games he had also. Previously, he was mostly just all bad for us in the playoffs IIRC.

[Ice the knees]

Role player is the most misused term in all of basketball. Deng is not and never has been a role player. A role player is a player with one skill, like Kyle Korver or Ronnie Brewer. They fill the role of shooting specialist and defensive stopper, respectively. What "role" is Deng playing? All of them (scoring, defense, rebouding), so he's not a role player.

5 game stretch? Check his stats for the past 10 games, or better yet check his stats through all 16 games so far this year.

8pt 5 reb
5pt 9 reb
11pt 5reb

Only posting it because it means as much as Deng's current run.

Deng is not as bad as those numbers and not as good as his current stretch.

But when rose goes down deng is inconsistent. He's a role player

3 bad games mean just as much as the 13 good ones? Okay then...

He's not a role player. You don't know what role player means.

Neither star line means anything. It's the in between that counts. He is what he is.

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[dice]

If he keeps this up or something close I'd like to keep Deng. Or at the very least negotiate with him, I'm thinking 12mil for 3 years

that would be reasonable from our perspective

let's not be short-sighted. lu will be 29 when the new deal goes into effect. an old 29. he will be on the downside of his career at the BEGINNING of the deal. plus, if signing him ends up meaning coming to terms with butler on an extension becomes problematic, we're looking at an unmitigated disaster

[sco]

Here's my take:

Deng can be the 3rd best offensive player on a championship team. The 2 questions are...

1) Can we pay him like a 3rd option guy? Now how much that is, is debatable, but $12-14M seems like 2nd option territory. If not, you're stuck with a guy that isn't worth his contract in a CBA world that is much harder to trade bad contracts.

2) If we do sign him, how do we get our new 2nd option (optimistically saying that Rose will return to form)? Is it Mirotic or the draft? Both unknowns.

[kuly1990]

yeah, when he plays for his contract, his shoots go in, when he has safe contract for few years, he intentionally misses them...

[DanTown8587]

Neither star line means anything. It's the in between that counts. He is what he is.

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People will look a long time until they find a better fit or player at SF than Luol Deng.

[Ice the knees]

Neither star line means anything. It's the in between that counts. He is what he is.

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People will look a long time until they find a better fit or player at SF than Luol Deng.

Jimmy Butler is a sf

[IvgenyIAS]

Neither star line means anything. It's the in between that counts. He is what he is.

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People will look a long time until they find a better fit or player at SF than Luol Deng.

Jimmy Butler is a sf

Well, I don't know about fit but he's certainly isn't better than Deng at this point of his career.

[Ice the knees]

People will look a long time until they find a better fit or player at SF than Luol Deng.

Jimmy Butler is a sf

Well, I don't know about fit but he's certainly isn't better than Deng at this point of his career.

I agree but he's cheap and has potential. I'm just saying. We have a sf on the roster that is starter quality to replace Deng

[DanTown8587]

Neither star line means anything. It's the in between that counts. He is what he is.

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People will look a long time until they find a better fit or player at SF than Luol Deng.

Jimmy Butler is a sf

Jimmy Butler has scored 20+ 5 times EVER.

Luol Deng has scored 20+ in his last five games.

There's no debating who is better Deng or Butler. You can argue that Deng costing a lot more than Butler is huge, but Deng is the legit better player. Deng is giving you decent efficiency on high volume along with great defense.

[kingkirk]

I agree with you. But at the same time playing heavy minutes is a great deal of Deng's value. If Deng was a 32 minute a game player, he wouldn't be too valuable. He needs those minutes to produce.

Perhaps his numbers would be similar if he was more fresh rather than having periods where he plays 17-19 consecutive minutes in a game.

No other coach in the league does this to their best player.