Butler calls out Hoiberg / Update pg 33: KC releases negative report on Jimmy

[kingkirk]

Geesh, you trust KC of all people? He's just a mouth piece for the FO.

K.C. Johnson is supposedly the mouth piece of the organisation, so here, Butler hasn’t done anything wrong, and the organisation has turned on Butler and have created a story to negatively paint Butler as a problem.

Is that what you’re telling me.

So, again, I ask, when will the players take any ownership?

It’s not possible at all that Butler here is actually doing what Johnson outlines. Give me a damn break.

[Red Larrivee]

Anyway, this team's house looks to be a mess, and I think all Jimmy did was probably lift up the rug a little and let some light in.

And according to the story, Jimmy himself is at least partially responsible for this mess.

The guy cursed out the coaching staff during a film session and people are being ho-hum about it. Hilarious.

[Red Larrivee]

Now that Jimmy is the 'trouble maker' look how fast they hug Rose as loyalist.

But as soon as Derrick steps out of line, he'll be the one getting lit up again.

Was interesting to hear the other day on ESPN Truehoop podcast, one of the analysts said they felt part of the problem in Chicago was the media.

You're entitled to feel any way you want about Rose sitting out the entire season after tearing his ACL, but he has never thrown teammates or coaches under the bus and in turn, his teammates and coaches consistently stick up for him.

If Rose were the one who called out Hoiberg last night and cursed out the coaching staff during a film session, this thread would be on Page 99.

[Rerisen]

Anyway, this team's house looks to be a mess, and I think all Jimmy did was probably lift up the rug a little and let some light in.

And according to the story, Jimmy himself is at least partially responsible for this mess.

The guy cursed out the coaching staff during a film session and people are being ho-hum about it. Hilarious.

Oh, I would agree. He is breaking the offense as much as anyone else.

But any idea that this is just a one off, Jimmy getting a big head event, is probably being naive. The rumblings about disorder below the surface have been leaked out a few other times before this.

I bet half the team has cussed or said something confrontational to a coach in the last 2 years as well, or done some other minor variation misconduct that could be leaked to KC to make them look bad too.

Obviously it was nothing too great or else Jimmy would have been fined or punished at the time, and we heard nothing like that at the time. So curious now we are supposed to believe there are all these 'incidents' and a history of trouble.

When Giannis was not acting in a team manner earlier this year, Kidd benched him for a game. If Butler has been doing disrespectful things where are the reports from those incidents?

[fleet]

Anyway, this team's house looks to be a mess, and I think all Jimmy did was probably lift up the rug a little and let some light in.

And according to the story, Jimmy himself is at least partially responsible for this mess.

The guy cursed out the coaching staff during a film session and people are being ho-hum about it. Hilarious.

Oh, so NOW, we will focus on the shabby media leaked message, rather than the wisdom of doing a shabby media leak......

Didnt prove me wrong Red'

[My2CentsR]

Sounds to me like Jimmy is more mad at his teammates than Fred. He's not complaining about subs or tactics, he's saying some guys aren't trying hard enough and they need to be called out.

I was thinking the same thing. He can't publicly say things like Snell needs to be aggressive, Niko needs to work his a** off on defense, and Derek should pass to his own teammates before passing to opponents, so he deferred to saying that the coach needs to crack down on the team. But he needs to bite his tongue, and communicate with the coach in person, not through the media. He probably wants to confront players in practice, but it's not natural for him. Unless the team is willing to tolerate him b/c he's carrying them to wins like LeBum, he needs to keep his mouth zipped and get a stress ball.

[bulliedog8]

Now that Jimmy is the 'trouble maker' look how fast they hug Rose as loyalist.

But as soon as Derrick steps out of line, he'll be the one getting lit up again.

Was interesting to hear the other day on ESPN Truehoop podcast, one of the analysts said they felt part of the problem in Chicago was the media.

The media definitely throws a lot more gas on the fire than needed. What is unfortunate is that I dont think it was a big deal at all at first, but then when you have the media come out and start saying stuff. The players might start believing what the media is saying and the players start going at each other.

I wish Rose and Butler pulled a wade and lebron and did all postgames together. That would be a smart thing to do. Wade and Lebron did it so neither would put blame on the other "behind" their backs to the media. They should work together like those two did in miami

[Red Larrivee]

Oh, so NOW, we will focus on the shabby media leaked message, rather than the wisdom of doing a shabby media leak......

Didnt prove me wrong Red'

What's shabby about it? So after Jimmy just threw his coach and teammates under the bus last night, it's now somehow unbelievable that he did it behind closed doors on a previous occasion?

Butler is our best player and we're all clearly big fans of his, but let's call a spade a spade. He's acting like an entitled ass.

[musiqsoulchild]

Jimmy ....tsk, tsk.

[TheGOATRises007]

Now that Jimmy is the 'trouble maker' look how fast they hug Rose as loyalist.

But as soon as Derrick steps out of line, he'll be the one getting lit up again.

Was interesting to hear the other day on ESPN Truehoop podcast, one of the analysts said they felt part of the problem in Chicago was the media.

You're entitled to feel any way you want about Rose sitting out the entire season after tearing his ACL, but he has never thrown teammates or coaches under the bus and in turn, his teammates and coaches consistently stick up for him.

If Rose were the one who called out Hoiberg last night and cursed out the coaching staff during a film session, this thread would be on Page 99.

Page 99 on the 2nd thread after the 1st thread hit 100 pages already.

Butler's acting like he's had 7 years of excellence and the team is holding him down from glory or something. I hate entitlement and Butler is acting like an entitled prick if those reports are true.

[DarthDiggler69]

If Jimmy gets his way than its more ugly offense, grinding games, scoring droughts and inevitably early playoff exits. We dont even know what Hoiberg's offense will bring but Id rather take a chance on it, thats what they brought him in for

[kingkirk]

What was that about keeping your private drama out of the press? I doubt the same people crushing Jimmy will be similarly scolding the FO. Prove me wrong people.

K.C. Johnson isn't reporting this stuff about Butler if Butler himself doesn't go on record after the game. I'm assuming you know the difference between the two scenarios and are simply being facetious.

[GetBuLLish]

And according to the story, Jimmy himself is at least partially responsible for this mess.

The guy cursed out the coaching staff during a film session and people are being ho-hum about it. Hilarious.

That's not what KC said. Butler supposedly "used profanity while addressing the coaching staff once and disrupted a film session on another occasion with critical comments."

While those two actions aren't great, let's not blow things out of proportion. Assuming he used profanity addressing the coaching staff and it was done in a disrespectful manner, that's not good. But sometimes people get heated and **** happens.

As for disrupting a film session once "with critical comments": who the eff cares? Maybe he saw Niko miss the same damn rotation for the 20th time and had enough. Big friggin' deal. These guys have film sessions all the damn time.

Like I said, his frustration is with the new young toys that our FO has retrieved not being good at basketball.

[TheAdmiral]

Anyway, this team's house looks to be a mess, and I think all Jimmy did was probably lift up the rug a little and let some light in.

And according to the story, Jimmy himself is at least partially responsible for this mess.

The guy cursed out the coaching staff during a film session and people are being ho-hum about it. Hilarious.

Given that he's blabbed to the media about things that he should have addressed privately, he certainly is partially to blame for this mess, as this will likely trigger a snowball effect.

The 'clashes' within this team... damn! Not even winning on a more regular basis will cure all of this team's problems.

[fleet]

Oh, so NOW, we will focus on the shabby media leaked message, rather than the wisdom of doing a shabby media leak......

Didnt prove me wrong Red'

What's shabby about it? So after Jimmy just threw his coach and teammates under the bus last night, it's now somehow unbelievable that he did it behind closed doors on a previous occasion?

Butler is our best player and we're all clearly big fans of his, but let's call a spade a spade. He's acting like an entitled ass.

Sure, but I thought we weren't supposed to air dirty laundry in the press. Team unity and all that concern for. But the FO can do that all they want. Blatant double standard.

[robbie84]

Would the Bulls trade Butler for the #1 pick or a top 3 or 4 pick in this years draft?
Or would y'all consider him untouchabull?

[musiqsoulchild]

I think I may have found something worse than the Reggie Rose - Rose drama to hate on.

Goodness Jimmy - I read the article. That's just terrible.

[Rerisen]

What probably gets their goat even more than Jimmy criticizing Fred, is the contents of the criticisms, which is that Fred is sitting back and taking it while other players on the team blatantly disrespect the gameplan and get away with it.

Whether Jimmy should have said that publicly is one thing, but now that he has, the reality that its going on unchecked, looks pretty bad for the staff.

[GetBuLLish]

What was that about keeping your private drama out of the press? I doubt the same people crushing Jimmy will be similarly scolding the FO. Prove me wrong people.

K.C. Johnson isn't reporting this stuff about Butler if Butler himself doesn't go on record after the game. I'm assuming you know the difference between the two scenarios and are simply being facetious.

So the Bulls rule is: keep the private drama out of the press, but if you don't, we will hit you back even harder through anonymous leaks.

I must have missed the underlined part.

[fleet]

What was that about keeping your private drama out of the press? I doubt the same people crushing Jimmy will be similarly scolding the FO. Prove me wrong people.

K.C. Johnson isn't reporting this stuff about Butler if Butler himself doesn't go on record after the game. I'm assuming you know the difference between the two scenarios and are simply being facetious.

I didnt expect any consistency. I dont actually need the rationalization