2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[Southpaw]

There's absolutely no way they're doing that for James Wiseman of all people.

They are in an interesting spot, though. Rossas is an extremely active GM and the top prospects all seem like bad fits to me. They might really want to trade down.

Wait. Why? They can draft Edwards. DLo is a 1. Edwards is a 2 and KAT is a 5. No one else matters

Exactly.They don't need to worry about Wiseman,just picking Edwards (best player of this draft) and keep improving their roster.

I can see them passing on Edwards tbh. They just got Malik Beasley on trade and he played really well for them, had great chemistry with the team it seems like. I can see them trading down because none of the top prospects seems like a fit. Maybe Okongwu if he can play with KAT, but he's a huuuuuge reach at 1.

[Simpleton]

Avdija is my preference but I don't feel strongly one way or the other if we're talking about picking from a group of Avdija/Hayes/Halliburton.

I honestly don't even think Edwards/Wiseman/Ball are that far beyond those three, and I might even argue that Okongwu is a better prospect than Wiseman. Going pure BPA Okongwu might even be my pick, he's basically an Adebayo clone if you can develop his passing ability, but obviously taking another center is far from ideal and I don't think Okongwu is so far and away the BPA at 4 that I'd take him over Avdija.

For those wondering about Avdija, he did win the Israeli League MVP, which is no small potatoes given that it's a top 5ish league in the world outside of the NBA. He's not Doncic but Doncic is a generational player who should win an MVP or three and at some point be the best player in the league, so of course he isn't that, but if he's a guy who can give you 18/8/6 at his peak, you take that and run in this draft.

He quite literally just needs to sharpen his 3-point range, and with the focus on player development I'll give the new regime the benefit of the doubt here. If the Warriors keep the pick (which they won't) it sounds like he's one of their top choices, so maybe we should take a cue from them.

He did well against European teams not only Israeli.

Not really.

The feathers in Deni's cap are his Israeli league performance and then his youth tournament performances. He's definitely not a top player in Europe at the moment.

Which means, unlike Doncic or even Mirotic, you have to bank on some development for him to even become a decent NBA player let alone an impact guy. I think that's a bit concerning. He's a long ways off skill wise (shooting/handling) and his athletic profile is B-tier.

He's a fine prospect, but certainly doesn't seem like a prospect to fall in love with.

Mirotic's production in Euroleague was similar to Avdija's at 19, he only really took off at 20, and he didn't produce as much domestically as Avdija did at 19, albeit on a more talented team in a more competitive league.

Doncic obviously isn't even worth a comparison.

All in all, I agree that he's a fine prospect and probably one who would go in the 8ish range in most drafts, but given that this is an extraordinarily **** draft at the top I'm very comfortable with him at 4.

[leo921]

Read about this trade on Bleacher Report and was giving it some thought. Would you guys do this trade, why and why not?
Going to mostly focus on the Bulls.

Twolves trade - 1st pick, 17th pick, Culver and James Johnson
for
Bulls trade- Lavine, Markkanen and 44th pick

This would let AK put his on touch on the team and give him more time on the rebuild. There are lots of iterations that one can come with but some that I like are Ball(1st),Avdija(4th),Lewis(17th). We would be young uptempo filled with shooting and depth.

Ball/Lewis
White/Sato
Otto/Culver
Avdija/Young/Johnson
Carter/Gafford

Another one would be Edwards(1st), Avdija(4th), Poku (17th)

White/Sato
Edwards/Culver
Otto/Johnson
Avdija/Young
Carter/Gafford/Poku

[sco]

Read about this trade on Bleacher Report and was giving it some thought. Would you guys do this trade, why and why not?
Going to mostly focus on the Bulls.

Twolves trade - 1st pick, 17th pick, Culver and James Johnson
for
Bulls trade- Lavine, Markkanen and 44th pick

This would let AK put his on touch on the team and give him more time on the rebuild. There are lots of iterations that one can come with but some that I like are Ball(1st),Avdija(4th),Lewis(17th). We would be young uptempo filled with shooting and depth.

Ball/Lewis
White/Sato
Otto/Culver
Avdija/Young/Johnson
Carter/Gafford

Another one would be Edwards(1st), Avdija(4th), Poku (17th)

White/Sato
Edwards/Culver
Otto/Johnson
Avdija/Young
Carter/Gafford/Poku

It reminds me of my fantasy trades. I'll tell you the problem with it. There is a real chance that nobody, NOBODY in this draft even ends-up being an NBA starter for the majority of their career. It's like 3am in the "ugly bar". So trading Lavine for the entire draft may yield nothing in return. I'm saying Lavine is Lebron, but a lot of crap doesn't mean there's a horse in the pile.

That said, sign me up for Lauri and 44, for 17 - cuz IMO, there's a good chance that Lauri isn't really an NBA starter either.

[D_GoLow]

Are we sure that MJ would take Melo Ball at 3?
With all the stupid beef with his Dad I can see MJ looking in to another direction like Obi or Deni.

Just saying there's a legit chance we could be staring at Lamelo with the 4th pick

[SfBull]

Deni Avdija Full "UNGUARDABLE" 2019/20 Highlights ● should we draft him?!
What's your thoughts about this kid? should we draft him?

Watch on YouTube

Yes if available,he can be gone by #3.

[SfBull]

Avdija is my preference but I don't feel strongly one way or the other if we're talking about picking from a group of Avdija/Hayes/Halliburton.

I honestly don't even think Edwards/Wiseman/Ball are that far beyond those three, and I might even argue that Okongwu is a better prospect than Wiseman. Going pure BPA Okongwu might even be my pick, he's basically an Adebayo clone if you can develop his passing ability, but obviously taking another center is far from ideal and I don't think Okongwu is so far and away the BPA at 4 that I'd take him over Avdija.

For those wondering about Avdija, he did win the Israeli League MVP, which is no small potatoes given that it's a top 5ish league in the world outside of the NBA. He's not Doncic but Doncic is a generational player who should win an MVP or three and at some point be the best player in the league, so of course he isn't that, but if he's a guy who can give you 18/8/6 at his peak, you take that and run in this draft.

He quite literally just needs to sharpen his 3-point range, and with the focus on player development I'll give the new regime the benefit of the doubt here. If the Warriors keep the pick (which they won't) it sounds like he's one of their top choices, so maybe we should take a cue from them.

He did well against European teams not only Israeli.

Not really.

The feathers in Deni's cap are his Israeli league performance and then his youth tournament performances. He's definitely not a top player in Europe at the moment.

Which means, unlike Doncic or even Mirotic, you have to bank on some development for him to even become a decent NBA player let alone an impact guy. I think that's a bit concerning. He's a long ways off skill wise (shooting/handling) and his athletic profile is B-tier.

He's a fine prospect, but certainly doesn't seem like a prospect to fall in love with.

We have space for drafting and developing a good prospect.The Bulls are far from contending next years

[TheSuzerain]

He did well against European teams not only Israeli.

Not really.

The feathers in Deni's cap are his Israeli league performance and then his youth tournament performances. He's definitely not a top player in Europe at the moment.

Which means, unlike Doncic or even Mirotic, you have to bank on some development for him to even become a decent NBA player let alone an impact guy. I think that's a bit concerning. He's a long ways off skill wise (shooting/handling) and his athletic profile is B-tier.

He's a fine prospect, but certainly doesn't seem like a prospect to fall in love with.

We have space for drafting and developing a good prospect.The Bulls are far from contending next years

yeah no ****.

But if you're picking a developmental guy, then why not pick someone with an A-tier athletic profile?

[kodo]

Are we sure that MJ would take Melo Ball at 3?
With all the stupid beef with his Dad I can see MJ looking in to another direction like Obi or Deni.

Just saying there's a legit chance we could be staring at Lamelo with the 4th pick

MJ taking Ball at 3 makes zero sense to me. He has a PG averaging 18 ppg, he has another PG averaging 18 ppg. Even if he would draft a 3rd PG, Lonzo as a non-shooter would be a terrible wing player because he has no spot-up capability, at least until his shot is completely re-worked.

I have Deni going #3 to CHA.

[SfBull]

Out of curiosity, why is Cole Anthony so low on projections? I’m guessing because of the knee injury?

Before that I swear he was a top 5 guy in this draft.

He was top 5 before the beginning of the College season.

[SfBull]

Not really.

The feathers in Deni's cap are his Israeli league performance and then his youth tournament performances. He's definitely not a top player in Europe at the moment.

Which means, unlike Doncic or even Mirotic, you have to bank on some development for him to even become a decent NBA player let alone an impact guy. I think that's a bit concerning. He's a long ways off skill wise (shooting/handling) and his athletic profile is B-tier.

He's a fine prospect, but certainly doesn't seem like a prospect to fall in love with.

We have space for drafting and developing a good prospect.The Bulls are far from contending next years

yeah no ****.

But if you're picking a developmental guy, then why not pick someone with an A-tier athletic profile?

Why not pick a young prospect with a high ceiling?This will be a 2 player draft, weaker than last year's with Zion/Morant so we're free for getting a project.

[umfan83]

Out of curiosity, why is Cole Anthony so low on projections? I’m guessing because of the knee injury?

Before that I swear he was a top 5 guy in this draft.

He was top 5 before the beginning of the College season.

Yeah, so outside of the injury (which is a legitimate reason to move him down) what did we see from him on college to make him a late lottery pick now?

[TheSuzerain]

We have space for drafting and developing a good prospect.The Bulls are far from contending next years

yeah no ****.

But if you're picking a developmental guy, then why not pick someone with an A-tier athletic profile?

Why not pick a young prospect with a high ceiling?This will be a 2 player draft, weaker than last year's with Zion/Morant so we're free for getting a project.

They're all young prospects. It's a draft!

Does Deni have the highest ceiling at our pick?

[_txchilibowl_]

I could see CHA taking Toppin at #3....and I also wouldn't be upset if we took him at #4. Most NBA ready player in the draft with athletic profile to fit.

[ATRAIN53]

and of course we get a top pick in a year there was no NCAA tourney so we could see these picks perform under some pressure....


all I know is you find a guy who fits with Coby and Zach

I also feel like since the NCAA is on hold - ROY WILLIAMS is avaliable to be a consultant.
We saw how well Coby played when he was in the stands last year-
He seems to be a father figure to Coby and you use that to your advantage while that link exists.

ROY has seen all these guys up close, they all want to play at UNC
He probably sent them a 'sorry we're not recruiting you' letter.

I use Roy to help find the guy who fits with Coby.

I like OB Toppin - but we have Gafford....

We need a Matise Thybulle type because we have killer scorers in Zach, Coby and Lauri
defensive minded kid, like a young Jimmy Butler.


I bet they pick Avdija from Israel. He just smells like a Reinsdorf pick.

[MrSparkle]

Any sense in making an Obi - Blake Griffin comparison?

[MrFortune3]

I'm obviously not against internal development, but I just don't understand your notion of having a blanket policy against trading for players. Part of AK and Eversley's job is to make us an actual destination.

I want to see the Bulls draft and develop a great team of young guys with high ceilings. Not interested in seeing the team trade young talent and picks for established guys that don't push us over the top. Those guys are not going to be available to us right now and I see little point in trading for someone who makes us marginally better.

I guess the disconnect is what/who that package would bring us. I'm not suggesting trading that for someone like Tobias Harris or Danillo Gallinari, but think it could possibly bring us an all-star level talent back.

And to me, that is around the lines of value I would see the pick and some additions fetching. Traditionally, picks from 3-5 don't garner great players in trade during the draft or once the pick is known. Brand, Abdur-Rahim, Allen come to mind and those additions alone to their respective franchises did not increase the success.

Teams usually have to hand over multiple 1sts to land a player that will help alter a franchise. Jrue Holliday required the #6 pick in 2013 and a future 1st that ended up being #10(Efrid Payton, then traded for #12 Dario Saric)in 2014.

[wonderboy2]

and of course we get a top pick in a year there was no NCAA tourney so we could see these picks perform under some pressure....


all I know is you find a guy who fits with Coby and Zach

I also feel like since the NCAA is on hold - ROY WILLIAMS is avaliable to be a consultant.
We saw how well Coby played when he was in the stands last year-
He seems to be a father figure to Coby and you use that to your advantage while that link exists.

ROY has seen all these guys up close, they all want to play at UNC
He probably sent them a 'sorry we're not recruiting you' letter.

I use Roy to help find the guy who fits with Coby.

I like OB Toppin - but we have Gafford....

We need a Matise Thybulle type because we have killer scorers in Zach, Coby and Lauri
defensive minded kid, like a young Jimmy Butler.


I bet they pick Avdija from Israel. He just smells like a Reinsdorf pick.

Agree with you. I like Toppin a lot. Hope the bulls grab him if the top 3 are gone. If you want a defensive wing like Thybulle,I think Okorro would be the best bet. But I think Toppin is the best available if the top 3 are gone. I just have a feeling he’s going to work his way into the top 3. He has the skills but seems like an even better person judging by his interviews. He’s a “yes mamm”, “Yes sir” type of guy and I know that will score him points in the interviewing process with teams.

[MrFortune3]

Are we sure that MJ would take Melo Ball at 3?
With all the stupid beef with his Dad I can see MJ looking in to another direction like Obi or Deni.

Just saying there's a legit chance we could be staring at Lamelo with the 4th pick

MJ taking Ball at 3 makes zero sense to me. He has a PG averaging 18 ppg, he has another PG averaging 18 ppg. Even if he would draft a 3rd PG, Lonzo as a non-shooter would be a terrible wing player because he has no spot-up capability, at least until his shot is completely re-worked.

I have Deni going #3 to CHA.

Why do you hate me?

[wonderboy2]

Any sense in making an Obi - Blake Griffin comparison?

They have similarities but key differences. I definitely would say Griffin is stronger and probably had the better inside game and a better rebounder. Toppin has better perimeter skills, better handle, way better shot, and is faster in terms of sprinting down the court then Griffin coming out of college. I see a mix of Amare, Marion, John Collins with Toppin. Toppin is probably the better shooter then all of them. Marion is undisputedly better defensively but Toppin has Marion type bounce and speed in his game. John Collins is a better rebounder and stronger then Toppin but Toppin is faster and has better handles and a way better shooter coming out imo. Amare was more physical, stronger then Toppin and probably a better rebounder with better post moves.But again Toppin has the speed, shooting, and handle advantage. I’m not saying Toppin is better than any of these guys but I like His game and see some similarities.