NBA Trade Thread #12

[ChettheJet]

If the Heat are not running it back they're keeping their best players and 2 way role players, Herro, Bam, War, Wiggins, Jaquez, Highsmith and changing the more one dimensional bench guys like Robinson, Rozier, Anderson, Jovic ending up with Heat culture guys

OKC and BKN are great targets to trade the POR pick to for their later 1st as well. They get a shot at the next couple drafts with most likely a higher pick.

Don’t know that Ayo has late 1st value with that shoulder injury.

If this was next summer with all the contracts expiring I would be talking to BRK and OKC about just that kind of trade. But this summer the Bulls have too many roster spots filled and they'll have one rookie at #12 plus if they like Tre Jones , then hopefully a Vucevic trade they either have to buyout some current players or make some 1 for 2 deals.

I know so many here think the management are complete idiots but if it's me I've already been on the phone to every team and asking what they'd give to move up to #12 or who the Bulls could add in hopes of moving up and how far from #12. Some of those conversations get more serious after the draft camp when some guys look better than teams thought and some go through the interview process and don't have much going on above the shoulders. Post camp the Bulls should have a list of 10 guys they'd realistically take at #12 and have an idea how far they could trade back and still get one of them.

[Chi town]

If the Heat are not running it back they're keeping their best players and 2 way role players, Herro, Bam, War, Wiggins, Jaquez, Highsmith and changing the more one dimensional bench guys like Robinson, Rozier, Anderson, Jovic ending up with Heat culture guys

OKC and BKN are great targets to trade the POR pick to for their later 1st as well. They get a shot at the next couple drafts with most likely a higher pick.

Don’t know that Ayo has late 1st value with that shoulder injury.

If this was next summer with all the contracts expiring I would be talking to BRK and OKC about just that kind of trade. But this summer the Bulls have too many roster spots filled and they'll have one rookie at #12 plus if they like Tre Jones , then hopefully a Vucevic trade they either have to buyout some current players or make some 1 for 2 deals.

I know so many here think the management are complete idiots but if it's me I've already been on the phone to every team and asking what they'd give to move up to #12 or who the Bulls could add in hopes of moving up and how far from #12. Some of those conversations get more serious after the draft camp when some guys look better than teams thought and some go through the interview process and don't have much going on above the shoulders. Post camp the Bulls should have a list of 10 guys they'd realistically take at #12 and have an idea how far they could trade back and still get one of them.

Not too worried about roster spots. We obviously have to make a trade/s. Most likely we cut a couple players that come back. Terry and Carter could go.

[Chi town]

Jalen Smith and Ayo for Naz Reid. Resigned for 4/80.

Don’t think MIN will be able to trade Randle and won’t be able to keep Reid and NAW. They want players that will play not picks.

[Ccwatercraft]

Jalen Smith and Ayo for Naz Reid. Resigned for 4/80.

Don’t think MIN will be able to trade Randle and won’t be able to keep Reid and NAW. They want players that will play not picks.

Would they take that offer? Would he take 20?

We could certainly use him

[WesPeace]

Riley said they wont run it back, so we will see who will be expendable in trades, but I think even Herro and Adebayo trades could happen. I would jump on Bam, he would be great defensive center for us going forward, only problem I have, is he worth contract worth jump to 51M in 2026-2027?!

My offer :
Vucevic, White, #11 2025, 2nd rounder 2025, 1st round pick swap 2026..

What the hell? I wouldn’t trade Coby and Vuc for Bam, let alone two FRPs.

No , he’s not worth $51m.

Thats the biggest turnoff yes, his contract going up huge..

But price wise, my bad - White shouldnt be there, I wanted to write Williams, not White.. phone beat me to it lol.. Vooch, Williams and few picks aint that overboard for allstar player and one of best centers in league. Asking price will be close..

But overall, yes - it would be very surprising Heat would trade Herro, Bam or Ware..

[Ccwatercraft]

Riley said they wont run it back, so we will see who will be expendable in trades, but I think even Herro and Adebayo trades could happen. I would jump on Bam, he would be great defensive center for us going forward, only problem I have, is he worth contract worth jump to 51M in 2026-2027?!

My offer :
Vucevic, White, #11 2025, 2nd rounder 2025, 1st round pick swap 2026..

What the hell? I wouldn’t trade Coby and Vuc for Bam, let alone two FRPs.

No , he’s not worth $51m.

Thats the biggest turnoff yes, his contract going up huge..

But price wise, my bad - White shouldnt be there, I wanted to write Williams, not White.. phone beat me to it lol.. Vooch, Williams and few picks aint that overboard for allstar player and one of best centers in league. Asking price will be close..

But overall, yes - it would be very surprising Heat would trade Herro, Bam or Ware..

I would agree, they are likely building from them as a base. Whats interesting is that in this Era of increases these neeer max salaries appear absolutely outrageous. It's fine until you add a 2nd, and insane with a 3rd.

In the meantime the mle is rising role players are demanding more and rookie scale contracts are climbing as well.

We're actually not very hamstrung on salary, but we're also not winning games. These tax penalties are adding up to big money. On both sides too, we get like 11mil for being under the tax. So you go over the tax 2 million it costs 13+. It's go big or go home most of the go big teams will fail. (Phx, LA, LA, milw are already out first round)

Tldr: I'm wondering if these massive deals will accelerate a correction point where the cap rules can't keep up with the expanded talent level that demands higher salaries

[kodo]

I don't think we take on a big contract for most players this summer, we're barely under cap anyway. Things look organized so the Bulls push for FA in 2026, we have only 2 contracts PWill (forever) and Jalen Smith. Assuming we do pay to keep Giddey and we opt into Matas, that's only 4 contracts none of them close to max.

The only problem with the plan is any game changer FA almost always moves by trade before hitting FA.

[Infinity2152]

What the hell? I wouldn’t trade Coby and Vuc for Bam, let alone two FRPs.

No , he’s not worth $51m.

Thats the biggest turnoff yes, his contract going up huge..

But price wise, my bad - White shouldnt be there, I wanted to write Williams, not White.. phone beat me to it lol.. Vooch, Williams and few picks aint that overboard for allstar player and one of best centers in league. Asking price will be close..

But overall, yes - it would be very surprising Heat would trade Herro, Bam or Ware..

I would agree, they are likely building from them as a base. Whats interesting is that in this Era of increases these neeer max salaries appear absolutely outrageous. It's fine until you add a 2nd, and insane with a 3rd.

In the meantime the mle is rising role players are demanding more and rookie scale contracts are climbing as well.

We're actually not very hamstrung on salary, but we're also not winning games. These tax penalties are adding up to big money. On both sides too, we get like 11mil for being under the tax. So you go over the tax 2 million it costs 13+. It's go big or go home most of the go big teams will fail. (Phx, LA, LA, milw are already out first round)

Tldr: I'm wondering if these massive deals will accelerate a correction point where the cap rules can't keep up with the expanded talent level that demands higher salaries

Seems like the league is hitting that point now. This summer, there will be very little money for any free agent over $20 mil. Once Nets spend their cash, market will be DRY. Bulls could end up getting Giddey anywhere from $22-$25 mill without a Nets offer, Kuminga's in a bind, lot of free agents will have little choice but to re-sign with their own teams. Lot of teams clearing cap space for 2026, so more bloated contracts to add to the problem.

There will probably be some great deals on $8-15 mill free agents this summer. Idea of trading Ayo for 1 of those cheap late Nets first round picks sounds more appealing. Would rather trade him for a future first, clear the cap and roster spot, and re-sign Tre Jones for the same money. Or a defensive SF/PF. Would be great if the Nets re-sign D'Angelo Russell and Cam Thomas day one of free agency, lol.

[leo921]

George/3 for Vuc/Williams/Ayo/12th pick/Port 1st

Philly gets off George for mostly expiring depth (Vuc/Ayo 27m) and try to see if Williams does better with a change of scenery. Philly gets 12 and Port first as well. Embiid is going to miss 10-20 games a year so Vuc is a 20/10 guy when Embiid needs games off. Ayo is a high end 6th man to solid starter, 2 way player who can attack the basket, solid 3pt shooter and great defender. Williams is the 3 and D SF who can hit his open shots, play D, and would benefit off playing with Maxey/Embiid. Gives Philly options and depth.

For Bulls they take on 3 years of George for the 3rd pick which is going to be either Harper or Bailey. Spurs have 2nd pick and while Harper is better thought it wouldnt make sense for them when they already have Fox and Castle, who are very similar players to Harper.

[Infinity2152]

George/3 for Vuc/Williams/Ayo/12th pick/Port 1st

Philly gets off George for mostly expiring depth (Vuc/Ayo 27m) and try to see if Williams does better with a change of scenery. Philly gets 12 and Port first as well. Embiid is going to miss 10-20 games a year so Vuc is a 20/10 guy when Embiid needs games off. Ayo is a high end 6th man to solid starter, 2 way player who can attack the basket, solid 3pt shooter and great defender. Williams is the 3 and D SF who can hit his open shots, play D, and would benefit off playing with Maxey/Embiid. Gives Philly options and depth.

For Bulls they take on 3 years of George for the 3rd pick which is going to be either Harper or Bailey. Spurs have 2nd pick and while Harper is better thought it wouldnt make sense for them when they already have Fox and Castle, who are very similar players to Harper.

Man, that's tempting! I think PG13's contract is currently the worst deal in the league, including Beal. 34, played 41, 74, 56, 31, 54 last 5 years. Doubt he gets heathier age 35-37 and locked up for 3 years at $54 mill AAV. But if the guy we draft at 3 is a legit franchise piece, that's worth almost any cost. PG13 play well for a period, might be able to dump him at a cost.

Will say I looked at the Heat roster the other day. They've done incredibly well with picks after 12, their core Herro, Adebayo, Jovic, Ware, and our own #30 pick Butler. Pick 11 was damn good for us last year, pick 12 could be great too. If we could move up to 7 or 8, we could end up with one of the best players in the draft, and it shouldn't cost nearly as much.

[patryk7754]

Man, you guys were right. It would be dumb as **** to trade Williams for kuminga. Don’t know why I ever suggested it

[The Box Office]

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Hey! Giannis! Put on that Chicago Bulls jersey!

[patryk7754]

With recurring reports that the grizzlies not wanting to pay three max contracts, we should explore what it would take to get Bane. I think it would have to be centered around Huerter and picks. I wonder if they’d be willing to take vuc as well since he’d be expiring or would they require he be sent somewhere else. The players don’t really matter to me as long as it’s not Matas. Max amount of picks I’d give up are 2 protected picks.

[patryk7754]

Only way Giannis ends up in Chicago is if he forces his way here. If I remember correctly, he did say if he had to pick somewhere to play other than Milwaukee, it would be Chicago (or something like that). But it wouldn’t hurt for us to put together our best offer for him.

[sco]

With recurring reports that the grizzlies not wanting to pay three max contracts, we should explore what it would take to get Bane. I think it would have to be centered around Huerter and picks. I wonder if they’d be willing to take vuc as well since he’d be expiring or would they require he be sent somewhere else. The players don’t really matter to me as long as it’s not Matas. Max amount of picks I’d give up are 2 protected picks.

Huerter/Vuc for Bane/Huff works (I really like Huff) $ wise. But I think White/Smith/Collins would be better received...along with 12, Por 1st, plus likely another 1st. White gives them a good replacement that will likely cost less. They also need PF help that Smith could really help with.

[Chi town]

With recurring reports that the grizzlies not wanting to pay three max contracts, we should explore what it would take to get Bane. I think it would have to be centered around Huerter and picks. I wonder if they’d be willing to take vuc as well since he’d be expiring or would they require he be sent somewhere else. The players don’t really matter to me as long as it’s not Matas. Max amount of picks I’d give up are 2 protected picks.

Huerter/Vuc for Bane/Huff works (I really like Huff) $ wise. But I think White/Smith/Collins would be better received...along with 12, Por 1st, plus likely another 1st. White gives them a good replacement that will likely cost less. They also need PF help that Smith could really help with.

I think I like Coby more than Bane.

[sco]

With recurring reports that the grizzlies not wanting to pay three max contracts, we should explore what it would take to get Bane. I think it would have to be centered around Huerter and picks. I wonder if they’d be willing to take vuc as well since he’d be expiring or would they require he be sent somewhere else. The players don’t really matter to me as long as it’s not Matas. Max amount of picks I’d give up are 2 protected picks.

Huerter/Vuc for Bane/Huff works (I really like Huff) $ wise. But I think White/Smith/Collins would be better received...along with 12, Por 1st, plus likely another 1st. White gives them a good replacement that will likely cost less. They also need PF help that Smith could really help with.

I think I like Coby more than Bane.

I understand that. I have a different perspective. Coby is too much of a defensive liability to pay big $ IMO. His offense isn't good enough against good teams to get us out of a 1st round playoff series.

[Infinity2152]

Would love to get Bane. Coby's more valuable than Huerter or Vuc, but trading Bane and getting Coby back doesn't fix their money problems, since Coby is projected to make about as much as Bane come summer 2026. He'd be an unrestricted free agent, they can just offer him a contract if they take the expirings, or use that money elsewhere. Would be fine giving them 12, a future first and Portland first in Huerter/Vuc trade. Not giving them three picks in a trade involving White, need to trade White at that point to recoup some picks, lol.

Ideal backcourt partner for Giddey. At $35 mill, we sign Giddey around $25 mil, that's a very affordable young potential All-Star backcourt.

[ChettheJet]

Here we sit at #12 in a draft that's not really 12 deep. As more mock drafts take shape after the combine I wouldn't object to an nheard of strategy.

A three team trade involving BRK (others with multiple picks would be possible) and a team out of the 1st round.

Bulls drop fro #12 to let's say to BRK #19 and for their trouble they get a top 5 protected 2026 or 27 FRP
BRK gets solid young quicker rebuild assets from the 3rd team
3rd team gets #12 from the Bulls

The pick the Bulls get isn't a huge drop from #12 to #19, may or may not get to the rotation they get a near future pick, gambling on where it falls, when they have fewer players under contract
BRK gives up a pick to get this year players to mix with their lottery pick and so their late picks don't get rushed
3rd team gets back into the 1st round to take a young guy they like at #12, give up some good but not great kids who are looking at extensions but haven't broken into their lineup

any team could add some players

[Chi town]

Huerter/Vuc for Bane/Huff works (I really like Huff) $ wise. But I think White/Smith/Collins would be better received...along with 12, Por 1st, plus likely another 1st. White gives them a good replacement that will likely cost less. They also need PF help that Smith could really help with.

I think I like Coby more than Bane.

I understand that. I have a different perspective. Coby is too much of a defensive liability to pay big $ IMO. His offense isn't good enough against good teams to get us out of a 1st round playoff series.

Bane is paid what many are scared Coby will get.

I like Coby’s offense alot more than Bane’s. Coby can creat his own shot. Bane not so much.