Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[MAQ]

I wouldn't assume this group without Rose can't win a playoff series. They weren't expecting to be without Rose last year, and don't forget the Noah injury. Even without Rose, Noah and Deng SHOULD be healthier this year and Boozer is having a better year.

Not the assumption I am making at all. I'm believe in the team more than most. But the original poster used the word "guaranteed," which is a ridiculous threshold as others have pointed out.

Is it? The Bulls with Rose are expected to be a title contender. If the team can't be expected to pull out 1 playoff series without Rose, isn't that proof that with Rose they don't have enough?

And again, this isn't about when Rose comes back to me. This is about the talent on the team and our actual chances at a title with a healthy Rose.

I know, it's a lost season. Was that way the moment Rose went down. But that doesn't stop our prediction of what could happen with this team, that was better than expected, with a returning Rose.

[coldfish]

Oh yeah, to add, it completely reinforced the perception that Chicago is not a preferred destination making it much harder to recruit a second star. I'm sure glad Reggie got his feelings off his chest though.

Well money talks the most in that area, and so can Derrick Rose. Time to start recruiting.

Unfortunately many Bulls fans were rah rahing behind Rose's refusal to recruit in 2010, and saying how they couldn't stand to root for a LeBron James. Many also hated Kobe, and just about 80% of the league that is mentioned in trade talks are never good enough for Bulls fans.

We can either root for our team against all odds with declining try hards like Kirk, or start taking some chances on guys that might have less winning personalities and likability, but haven't actually murdered anyone, and may help us even out talent wise.

I love it how the guys supporting Reggie are acting like they are just telling the truth. You want the truth? It is a superstar league and there are two of them. The Bulls don't have one. The Bulls have built a team a superstar can win with but Rose isn't that player. Because of that, the Bulls are basically screwed.

[The Explorer]

Mk0 wrote:
My stream feed of tonight's game just showed LeBron and Reggie Rose talking with their mouth's covered for a minute in the background and then gave a close up of them talking. LeBron was animated and nodding a lot.

I do not like this.

What does this mean? Reggie recruiting LeBron?

Lebron recruiting Rose after Dwade gets old.

[red222]

End of the day it will come down to spending. When many people's dream guy, JJ Redick, even wants 10 million dollars, good luck building some frugal team with enough talent to compete with the big boys. There is essentially no hope for that unless you land about 4 or 5 new Asik and Gibson level players on rookie deals. To do that you need to trade established talent. We have to pick a lane.

which is the issue we want both

[CalilLove89]

The statement by Rose didn't deny or disagree with Reggie's comments, makes me thinks maybe he does feel that way. Which is pretty ridiculous.

Rose just got a reality check with his ACL, he just found out he is mortal, and it can be gone in an instant. He is in win now mode, he will come back hungry, and i would not be surprised if he will be a little more frank with the team now.

He has all the monies, now he wants the rings.

[GetBuLLish]

Me too. Disagreeing with other Bulls fans is a good reason to want the franchise player to bolt.

Actually, I don't want him to leave. I'm rooting for him to stay, retire a Bull, and have his number retired. But you guys can root for the other, free country and all that.

Some of us don't evaluate the personality of a player, and whether or not his conduct is subject to criticism, based on his basketball talent.

No, I just don't act like a 12 year old girl when the franchise player's brother tries lighting a fire under the Bulls FO to get them to fully compete for a title.

You bringing up Rose's SAT makes it seem like Rose just sucker punched your child in front of you. What else do you want to bring up as a result of one article? And what would you bring up if Rose one day demands to be traded? "Rose grew up without a dad. We should have seen this from the beginning."

Rose has been insanely loyal to his teammates, the organization, and the city since he was drafted. He's worked his ass off to become the youngest MVP ever. He signed a contract without an opt out. He's almost single handedly made the Bulls nationally relevant (and even in Chicago, tv ratings are down by 50% w/o him). He has not one time singled out a teammate in public. But the one time he maybe indirectly says he needs more help, you are gonna bring up his SATs? What a f*cking joke.

Problem: Want a second superstar to come to Chicago
Solution: Publicly trash the Bulls management and players

Yes, Coldfish. Superstars were lining up to come to Chicago. Due to this article, they now have all decided against it. "Sorry, Jerry, you know I'd love to play for you, but that ESPN article really changed my mind."

The funny thing is this. Not only have superstar players come out and said that Rose should stay out as long as possible (Lebron, KG even said he should sit the year, etc.), but many, if not all, superstars have their own histories of demanding better teammates (Kobe), demanding to be traded (Melo), or flat out leaving their teams (Lebron, KG). But now that Rose does something far less impactful than any of those things, superstars will now shun him and Chicago.

Again, another example of an irrational post.

[WinCity]

Another thing this has done, even if Rose comes back, is damp down expectations.

If Reggie is so worried about Rose being seen to fail to live up to expectations, and not to be blamed when the Bulls finally get eliminated *with* Rose in this year's playoffs if that happens (as he was certainly blamed to a degree in 2011), then he has helped set it up so that those kind of reactions are much less.

There are more angles than just the obvious one here, of him not coming back.

Oh yeah, to add, it completely reinforced the perception that Chicago is not a preferred destination making it much harder to recruit a second star. I'm sure glad Reggie got his feelings off his chest though.

Please. That perception is not going to change unless JR changes his philosophy, and that wont happen unless he gets a kick in the pants. I think Rose is trying to do that. Cant see how Rose is at fault for a reputation JR built on his own.

[CalilLove89]

Oh yeah, to add, it completely reinforced the perception that Chicago is not a preferred destination making it much harder to recruit a second star. I'm sure glad Reggie got his feelings off his chest though.

Well money talks the most in that area, and so can Derrick Rose. Time to start recruiting.

Unfortunately many Bulls fans were rah rahing behind Rose's refusal to recruit in 2010, and saying how they couldn't stand to root for a LeBron James. Many also hated Kobe, and just about 80% of the league that is mentioned in trade talks are never good enough for Bulls fans.

We can either root for our team against all odds with declining try hards like Kirk, or start taking some chances on guys that might have less winning personalities and likability, but haven't actually murdered anyone, and may help us even out talent wise.

I love it how the guys supporting Reggie are acting like they are just telling the truth. You want the truth? It is a superstar league and there are two of them. The Bulls don't have one. The Bulls have built a team a superstar can win with but Rose isn't that player. Because of that, the Bulls are basically screwed.

SHOTS FIRED!!

[BullsFTW]

For people thinking we were gonna get a "superstar" at the deadline, then your full of it. GarPax does majority of their makeover during the Summer. Expect minor changes in June and major changes in the Summer of 2014...LeBron or Love will be heavily targeted by then. It's a process and won't come overtime.

[Rerisen]

Oh yeah, to add, it completely reinforced the perception that Chicago is not a preferred destination making it much harder to recruit a second star. I'm sure glad Reggie got his feelings off his chest though.

Well money talks the most in that area, and so can Derrick Rose. Time to start recruiting.

Unfortunately many Bulls fans were rah rahing behind Rose's refusal to recruit in 2010, and saying how they couldn't stand to root for a LeBron James. Many also hated Kobe, and just about 80% of the league that is mentioned in trade talks are never good enough for Bulls fans.

We can either root for our team against all odds with declining try hards like Kirk, or start taking some chances on guys that might have less winning personalities and likability, but haven't actually murdered anyone, and may help us even out talent wise.

I love it how the guys supporting Reggie are acting like they are just telling the truth. You want the truth? It is a superstar league and there are two of them. The Bulls don't have one. The Bulls have built a team a superstar can win with but Rose isn't that player. Because of that, the Bulls are basically screwed.

Not any superstar save LeBron maybe. But regardless of not having a top 3 guy, let's stop paying Kirk Hinrich nearly as much as OJ Mayo, or the type of guys that really could give us a much better chance.

The idea that it 'doesn't matter' what the hell we do, because we don't have a top 3 guy, is just as vapid.

I'd rather reach the ECF or even Finals, than 1st or 2nd round.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

I understand the frustration that some of you feel regarding the "public" part, but I'm starting to believe that his "private" words have been falling on deaf ears. He would not have come out publicly if that wasn't the case, IMHO.

I just realized something while reading your response.

Derrick Rose does not have a seat at the table regarding making moves. And if he does have a seat, they obviously do not approve of the long term plan of the bulls, if the bulls even have a plan.

If the 2014 plan is real, and Derricks camp knows about it, why would they say this now?

I dont know if this was talked about, I havent read the whole thread.

Maybe the bulls had to tell Reggie that because they payed the tax this year they will have to delay their moves once again, to avoid the repeater tax.

They are probably mad that they just got strictly worse, and could not even avoid the tax, therefor they would of been better off keeping last years team together.

Good points Cali, but I think that they have a firm seat at the table.

Like someone said earlier, something that may have been agreed upon between the Rose camp & GarPax was supposed to happen today, but it didn't happen.

[CousinOfDeath]

Do take some heat out of it and have a laugh, this is what i've witnessed so far in broad generalisations.

Which category do you fit in? Im option 1.

1. Will never trade a player due to loyalty and value our guys that are here too much
2. Sees opposing team make trade, questions why we didn't get involved
3. We lose, trade everyone now for Monta Ellis
4. We lose, lets tank
5. Hindsight GM who know everything and can/could predict everything that has happened/will happen
6. Tax! I don't care, not my money brah
7. Yeah, you tell him Reggie, you tell him!
8. Pduh

I'm 5

[hammel123]

If the 2014 plan is real, and Derricks camp knows about it, why would they say this now?

Is Santa Claus real?

oh, you're talking about the 2014 plan for gullible Bulls fans --- yes, that's real

how many top players have to pass on the Bulls for people to realize that may be, IT IS the management

Management says if you want a headband you can't play here, and a bad seed like Anthony, move along, not a chance

[theanimal23]

If these are an extension of Derrick Rose's thoughts, assuming Reggie Rose is the spokesman for Rose, then this is partially Rose's fault. He did not want to recruit anyone prior to Kirk Hinrich. Go Figure.

[anorexorcism]

The statement by Rose didn't deny or disagree with Reggie's comments, makes me thinks maybe he does feel that way. Which is pretty ridiculous.

Rose just got a reality check with his ACL, he just found out he is mortal, and it can be gone in an instant. He is in win now mode, he will come back hungry, and i would not be surprised if he will be a little more frank with the team now.

He has all the monies, now he wants the rings.

This. The old pathetic bulls philosophy of conservative, ho hum, easy as we go needs to die a permanent death. I see this as a subtle warning that Rose will leave if the Bulls FO doesn't get its act together.

Then again, the Bulls are now in position to pay LT for the first time ever. This is good news and maybe it signals a change in philosophy...finally. Maybe they heard of this news before they were about to dump Rip for pennies and decided to back off. I hope so. It means the Bulls FO is finally scared of one of their players, something we haven't seen since Jordan.

[BullsFTW]

Just because we struck out in 2010 does not mean 2014 is not real.

I still believe LeBron is their number one target. They're setting up to pursue him again, and maybe this time LeBron will take the challenge. Having won a title takes the pressure off. Plus if he wants more publicity and money especially with his name always connected wit MJ's, Chicago is the best place.

[othawhitemeat]

I don't like the timing, but what he said is true. We would rather be constantly good and have a puncher's chance than attempt to win a chip. I guarantee you a package of Deng/Taj/Bobcat's Pick could get you a good young #2 type player.

[CalilLove89]

If the 2014 plan is real, and Derricks camp knows about it, why would they say this now?

Is Santa Claus real?

oh, you're talking about the 2014 plan for gullible Bulls fans --- yes, that's real

how many top players have to pass on the Bulls for people to realize that may be, IT IS the management

Management says if you want a headband you can't play here, and a bad seed like Anthony, move along, not a chance

I am saying there is no 2014 plan, I always thought it was dumb, and this basically confirms it.

[BullsFTW]

Mk0 wrote:
My stream feed of tonight's game just showed LeBron and Reggie Rose talking with their mouth's covered for a minute in the background and then gave a close up of them talking. LeBron was animated and nodding a lot.

I do not like this.

What does this mean? Reggie recruiting LeBron?

Lebron recruiting Rose after Dwade gets old.

Doubt Rose would ever leave Chicago. LeBron to Chicago is more likely.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

I love it how the guys supporting Reggie are acting like they are just telling the truth. You want the truth? It is a superstar league and there are two of them. The Bulls don't have one. The Bulls have built a team a superstar can win with but Rose isn't that player. Because of that, the Bulls are basically screwed.

Who are the two superstars that you are referencing?

1. Lebron -- He has two #2s on his team (Wade & Bosh)

2. Durant -- He had two #2s & a version of Noah (Ibaka) when he made it to the finals. He currently has Westbrook & Ibaka still.

3. Kobe -- The Lakers had multiple superstars around him during all of his title wins.

4. CP3 -- He has a #2 (Blake)