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Andi Obst · Post #701 » by **Andi Obst** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:04 pm

sco wrote:No way the Nets deal Kyrie, but they have a ton of young talent to make the deal..not sure how to make the $ work though.

Harden and Tucker for LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen and Prince works. Terrible for Houston, but it works.

Red8911 · Post #702 » by **Red8911** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:05 pm

Allowing trades to go down a couple of days before the draft is so much better and now teams have some time to think about who to draft if they acquired a new draft pick.

MrSparkle · Post #703 » by **MrSparkle** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:06 pm

Little Nathan wrote:
sco wrote:No way the Nets deal Kyrie, but they have a ton of young talent to make the deal..not sure how to make the $ work though.

Harden and Tucker for LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen and Prince works. Terrible for Houston, but it works.

Well, I don't think HOU sends Harden without at least three FRPs coming back, maybe four.

sco · Post #704 » by **sco** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:11 pm

Little Nathan wrote:
sco wrote:No way the Nets deal Kyrie, but they have a ton of young talent to make the deal..not sure how to make the $ work though.

Harden and Tucker for LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen and Prince works. Terrible for Houston, but it works.

Huh, I didn't think those 4 made enough to balance out Harden's $ (even without Tucker). If they add a future unprotected 1st, I think that's a decent haul, but I think LeVert and Dinwiddie are near allstar talents...Allen is a decent starting C and Prince sucks but still has potential. I'd love to find a way to get in on that trade somehow...I'd toss in Otto + #4 for Levert in a second.

rtblues · Post #705 » by **rtblues** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:17 pm

sco wrote:
rtblues wrote:Don't think that the Lakers should have given up their pick in the trade for Schroeder. In-fact, they may have been able to find a low-budget version of Schroeder at #28. Let's be honest, looking at Schroeder's stats and meh... Especially if you look at the advanced stats, he's pretty unreliable from 3 historically, with last season showing a slight uptick again, but especially on catch-and-shoot 3s, he's bad. Not really a facilitator either, but more of a shoot-first guy.

If you don't trust getting a worthy Rondo-Replacement, Schroeder-Alternative at 28, then maybe they could have waited and looked at other available trades. Just not sure on how and why they decided Schroeder was "their guy". Does he really give them the things that they're going to be lacking and looking for next season, a secondary distributor and more three-point shooting? Not sure they couldn't do better. And again, if it was Green straight-up for Schroeder, I'd be okay with that. That's just my thinking about trading 1st round picks. I still think that the #28 pick has value and may have filled the need in a better and cheaper way, and still looked for a deal for Green.

Conclusion: L.A. overpaid by including the #28 pick*

*Possibilities at 28 to fill the same need: Isaiah Joe, Malachi Flynn. Or to add shooting, maybe Killian Tillie, although his injury history is a bit dubious. Or Tyler Bey, who besides 3pt shooting, rebounds at a high rate. But, Schroeder he just "Ain't all dat"...

IDK, I think a vet in his prime is what they need to win now. Even the best rookies are not really going to help this year, and it's all about this year for the Lakers.

I'm not sure that you can say that PHX is really in a "win-now" situation this coming season.

rtblues · Post #706 » by **rtblues** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:19 pm

Southpaw wrote:
rtblues wrote:Don't think that the Lakers should have given up their pick in the trade for Schroeder. In-fact, they may have been able to find a low-budget version of Schroeder at #28. Let's be honest, looking at Schroeder's stats and meh... Especially if you look at the advanced stats, he's pretty unreliable from 3 historically, with last season showing a slight uptick again, but especially on catch-and-shoot 3s, he's bad. Not really a facilitator either, but more of a shoot-first guy.

If you don't trust getting a worthy Rondo-Replacement, Schroeder-Alternative at 28, then maybe they could have waited and looked at other available trades. Just not sure on how and why they decided Schroeder was "their guy". Does he really give them the things that they're going to be lacking and looking for next season, a secondary distributor and more three-point shooting? Not sure they couldn't do better. And again, if it was Green straight-up for Schroeder, I'd be okay with that. That's just my thinking about trading 1st round picks. I still think that the #28 pick has value and may have filled the need in a better and cheaper way, and still looked for a deal for Green.

Conclusion: L.A. overpaid by including the #28 pick*

*Possibilities at 28 to fill the same need: Isaiah Joe, Malachi Flynn. Or to add shooting, maybe Killian Tillie, although his injury history is a bit dubious. Or Tyler Bey, who besides 3pt shooting, rebounds at a high rate. But, Schroeder he just "Ain't all dat"...

I have to disagree because they need players who can contribute now and Schroder fits that better than whoever they could've drafted at 28. Rookies usually don't contribute in the playoffs and it's in the back end of a weak draft as well.

Why? They aren't actually in a "win-now" situation.

MisterRoy · Post #707 » by **MisterRoy** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:19 pm

MrSparkle wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:
sco wrote:No way the Nets deal Kyrie, but they have a ton of young talent to make the deal..not sure how to make the $ work though.

Harden and Tucker for LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen and Prince works. Terrible for Houston, but it works.

Well, I don't think HOU sends Harden without at least three FRPs coming back, maybe four.

Not sure they get that, unless they are low draft picks. Once the player requests a trade, the bargaining lower of the team takes a hit.

Sent from somewhere you've never been.

Grodoboldo · Post #708 » by **Grodoboldo** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:20 pm

Read on Twitter

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MrFortune3 · Post #709 » by **MrFortune3** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:23 pm

Grodoboldo wrote:

Read on Twitter

@KeithSmithNBA: https://t.co/Qjklb6Xswf

He built the team on draft picks once and by God he will again! :lol:

MrFortune3 · Post #710 » by **MrFortune3** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:25 pm

MisterRoy wrote:
MrSparkle wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:Harden and Tucker for LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen and Prince works. Terrible for Houston, but it works.

Well, I don't think HOU sends Harden without at least three FRPs coming back, maybe four.

Not sure they get that, unless they are low draft picks. Once the player requests a trade, the bargaining lower of the team takes a hit.

Sent from somewhere you've never been.

Not when it's to a specific team. It puts more pressure on the desired team to make a move and land the big fish.
Look at the Melo trade or the Davis trade. Heck, even the PG13 trade.

MrFortune3 · Post #711 » by **MrFortune3** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:32 pm

I am extremely curious to see where Westbrook lands. Lands of rumors about Charlotte.

Andi Obst · Post #712 » by **Andi Obst** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:50 pm

sco wrote:Huh, I didn't think those 4 made enough to balance out Harden's $ (even without Tucker).

The 4 guys make more than enough to match Harden, but the Nets would have to include the 19th pick to include Tucker. They would have to include lots of picks anyway, though.

TheStig · Post #713 » by **TheStig** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:52 pm

MrSparkle wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:
sco wrote:No way the Nets deal Kyrie, but they have a ton of young talent to make the deal..not sure how to make the $ work though.

Harden and Tucker for LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen and Prince works. Terrible for Houston, but it works.

Well, I don't think HOU sends Harden without at least three FRPs coming back, maybe four.

Picks would certainly be coming back.

Andi Obst · Post #714 » by **Andi Obst** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:54 pm

MrFortune3 wrote:I am extremely curious to see where Westbrook lands. Lands of rumors about Charlotte.

I don't think there's a single Westbrook trade out there that I like for the team taking him. Houston doesn't even have the assets to make that interesting.

The Hornets will probably take him, though.

MrSparkle · Post #715 » by **MrSparkle** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:00 pm

MrFortune3 wrote:
MisterRoy wrote:
MrSparkle wrote:
Well, I don't think HOU sends Harden without at least three FRPs coming back, maybe four.

Not sure they get that, unless they are low draft picks. Once the player requests a trade, the bargaining lower of the team takes a hit.

Sent from somewhere you've never been.

Not when it's to a specific team. It puts more pressure on the desired team to make a move and land the big fish.
Look at the Melo trade or the Davis trade. Heck, even the PG13 trade.

Well they'll definitely probably be atleast two low draft picks. Maybe mid/high at the back end. That's why these teams (LAC, LAL, CLE 14) don't hesitate throwing away 3 or 4 FRPs.

cjbulls · Post #716 » by **cjbulls** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:02 pm

At this point, I think OKC has enough future FRPs to acquire Giannis, Harden and Beal. New superteam on the way.

Andi Obst · Post #717 » by **Andi Obst** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:08 pm

cjbulls wrote:At this point, I think OKC has enough future FRPs to acquire Giannis, Harden and Beal. New superteam on the way.

They're not going to OKC.

OKC is going to rebuild through the draft.

MrFortune3 · Post #718 » by **MrFortune3** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:11 pm

Little Nathan wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:I am extremely curious to see where Westbrook lands. Lands of rumors about Charlotte.

I don't think there's a single Westbrook trade out there that I like for the team taking him. Houston doesn't even have the assets to make that interesting.

The Hornets will probably take him, though.

Hornets need a guy they can sell as the franchise player while also building around I would assume Wiseman.

Red8911 · Post #719 » by **Red8911** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:16 pm

Little Nathan wrote:
cjbulls wrote:At this point, I think OKC has enough future FRPs to acquire Giannis, Harden and Beal. New superteam on the way.

They're not going to OKC.

OKC is going to rebuild through the draft.

Yeah they’ll be relevant again in 2035. Feel bad for their great fans.

Andi Obst · Post #720 » by **Andi Obst** » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:18 pm

MrFortune3 wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:I am extremely curious to see where Westbrook lands. Lands of rumors about Charlotte.

I don't think there's a single Westbrook trade out there that I like for the team taking him. Houston doesn't even have the assets to make that interesting.

The Hornets will probably take him, though.

Hornets need a guy they can sell as the franchise player while also building around I would assume Wiseman.

Nah, they need a real franchise player and not a guy who isn't close to that who is also going to make 47 mil at age 34. For the first time in forever they actually have some interesting young talent. Just be patient. Top 3 pick this year. High lotto pick next year.

Wedtbrook isn't even going to sell tickets next year. It's a complete waste of money and time.