The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

[hutasadorn]

Full video here:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CHym2d8BfPb/?igshid=1pvqv11tydszb

[Chi town]

Watch on YouTube

[cjbulls]

Williams was not who I expected the Bulls to take but I'm glad AK is focusing on raw talent upside versus safe picks. Going to the safe route has not done anything for us in over 8 seasons. Time for a change and lets see how this plays out.

That’s the brilliance of the pick on several levels.

1. PW has a very high floor similar to OG Anunoby coming out. A winning versatile defensive player. I believe this will translate right away.

2. Due to age, base skill set, and frame/athletic profile PW has the highest ceiling in the draft IMO.

3. PW is the prototype for the most important position in the NBA right now. Wing.

4. We do not have one modern NBA wing on our roster. OPJ is a shooter but due to health I don’t see him here past this season and Hutch even if healthy doesn’t have the offensive package to create or playmake. PW fits our greatest need.

I can see an offensive system built on Zach and Coby getting lots of 3s and transition buckets. Lauri as a floor spacing shooter and WCJ as a facilitator and lob threat. If Coby and Zach are legit we need excellent defense, rebounding and IQ from the wing spot. I think PW can be that early. If he can be more than that and eventually initiate offense then we have the foundation for something that can work. I’m not banking on Lauri becoming more than a spot up shooter or WCJ more than a Steven Adam’s type.

As crazy as it sounds, Dotson becomes our 3rd player than can get his own shot off the bounce. I could see him becoming valuable for us. I expect a whole new team outside of Zach Coby and PW after this season.

The underlined hyperbole needs to stop. The top 3 guys all have higher ceilings and it's not debateable. Likelihood of reaching it may change based on personality and work ethic (which Williams profiles for ahead of the top 3), but all 3 can do things Williams only dreams of right now.

The italicized remains suspect. He looks more like a 4 to me long term and I'm not alone in that view, as much I would want him to be a wing.

[D_GoLow]

Full video here:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CHym2d8BfPb/?igshid=1pvqv11tydszb

[bad knees]

Here's another interesting article on Williams from the Ringer (apologies if it has already been posted).
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/11/10/21556874/2020-nba-draft-patrick-williams-florida-state

I am on the PWill bandwagon, if only because I see this draft as a complete crapshoot and I trust AK based on what he has done with the FO and the coaching staff. I see a lot of upside in PWill, especially if I use my Bulls-colored glasses.

One interesting point mentioned in this article is that it claims that, as of the day that the article was written (11/10/20), Williams had not worked out in front of any teams, even in the one-on-none situations that were allowed under the pandemic rules. This seems important because many of us have been naturally assuming that AK was able to see where PWill stands now in his skill development, and to assess what he has been working on since the season ended and how he has improved. Most importantly, we have been assuming that PWill in fact has been working hard and has improved in demonstrable ways. If AK was limited to the tape that was available as of March 2020, then that raises questions about why Williams rose up the draft board to 4.

I have not read/watched everything that has come out about PWill. Do we in fact have evidence that the Bulls saw him play basketball in the months leading up to the draft? In AK's post-draft interview, I think he just mentioned having spent time with him and watching game tape. If not, do we even has specific information about what PWill has been working on, and with whom? Have we seen any video of his quarantine workouts? I have seen no such information. I think the videos that I have seen are from the pre-quarantine time period, and I have only seen PWill making general statements about having worked hard during the quarantine. For example, here's an article from Nov 13 in which PWill is interviewed and declines to talk about team workouts and provides only general info about his private workouts. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2020/11/12/positionless-patrick-williams-intriguing-draft-prospect-pistons/6264523002/ Anybody have any better information?

Edit: I now see the video that Hutsadorn posted above. That video actually makes me feel better - PWill looks good there. But it also appears to have been released after the draft by his agents. The question remains as to what AK saw of him playing basketball since the season ended.

[cjbulls]

I went down the Patrick Williams rabbit hole last night watching every video available on YouTube. AK is right. The more you study him the more you like him.

For anyone who is questioning whether or not he can play small forward, watch his high school highlights. He might have the highest ceiling in the draft (except Wiseman). The ball handling talent is there. I don’t understand why he didn’t show it off more at Florida State.

If he can legitimately play as a wing/3, then his size and eventual shooting can make him a very valuable player. If he’s a combo/4, there isn’t much of an opportunity for him to be more than a starting caliber player/Otto Porter type.

His FSU video screams the latter, but perhaps he can keep working on his body to get quicker. Guys tend to do the opposite though as their body matures.

He moves better then Porter ever did.

The point wasn't to say he's Otto Porter, just that he'll fill the role of guy who can do a little bit of everything but be dominant at nothing. Those types of players aren't stars and tend to be overpaid, just like Otto Porter.

[Chi town]

Full video here:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CHym2d8BfPb/?igshid=1pvqv11tydszb

Nice!!!

A lot to like in that video. Obviously pickup setting. Think it was Donovan Mitchell. Several NBA guys in there.

I like the handle and the fadeaway from the post.

[cjbulls]

Here's another interesting article on Williams from the Ringer (apologies if it has already been posted).
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/11/10/21556874/2020-nba-draft-patrick-williams-florida-state

I am on the PWill bandwagon, if only because I see this draft as a complete crapshoot and I trust AK based on what he has done with the FO and the coaching staff. I see a lot of upside in PWill, especially if I use my Bulls-colored glasses.

One interesting point mentioned in this article is that it claims that, as of the day that the article was written (11/10/20), Williams had not worked out in front of any teams, even in the one-on-none situations that were allowed under the pandemic rules. This seems important because many of us have been naturally assuming that AK was able to see where PWill stands now in his skill development, and to assess what he has been working on since the season ended and how he has improved. Most importantly, we have been assuming that PWill in fact has been working hard and has improved in demonstrable ways. If AK was limited to the tape that was available as of March 2020, then that raises questions about why Williams rose up the draft board to 4.

I have not read/watched everything that has come out about PWill. Do we in fact have evidence that the Bulls saw him play basketball in the months leading up to the draft? In AK's post-draft interview, I think he just mentioned having spent time with him and watching game tape. If not, do we even has specific information about what PWill has been working on, and with whom? Have we seen any video of his quarantine workouts? I have seen no such information. I think the videos that I have seen are from the pre-quarantine time period, and I have only seen PWill making general statements about having worked hard during the quarantine. For example, here's an article from Nov 13 in which PWill is interviewed and declines to talk about team workouts and provides only general info about his private workouts. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2020/11/12/positionless-patrick-williams-intriguing-draft-prospect-pistons/6264523002/ Anybody have any better information?

Honestly, I hope that isn't true. If they're the type of team who reaches for a guy based on a workout, then we're in for another bad tenure.

I'd hope they identified his character, traits, and production to determine his potential. They were so silent, they may have had him 4 this entire offseason.

[Southpaw]

Full video here:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CHym2d8BfPb/?igshid=1pvqv11tydszb

Nice! His handle looks a bit "basic" but his midrange looks good. I liked the way he bullied his defender then finished with a lefty layup.

[cjbulls]

When someone gives Jerami Grant 20 million/year over the next few days people will start to feel better about the pick because Grant is Williams' floor.

No it isn't. Do people not know how floor/ceiling works?

We have plenty of NBA washouts with similar profiles. Grant turned himself into an excellent shooter and efficient scorer. Without that, he'd be close to the league minimum. We have no guarantees that Williams can get there as a shooter or scorer.

[Chi town]

Here's another interesting article on Williams from the Ringer (apologies if it has already been posted).
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/11/10/21556874/2020-nba-draft-patrick-williams-florida-state

I am on the PWill bandwagon, if only because I see this draft as a complete crapshoot and I trust AK based on what he has done with the FO and the coaching staff. I see a lot of upside in PWill, especially if I use my Bulls-colored glasses.

One interesting point mentioned in this article is that it claims that, as of the day that the article was written (11/10/20), Williams had not worked out in front of any teams, even in the one-on-none situations that were allowed under the pandemic rules. This seems important because many of us have been naturally assuming that AK was able to see where PWill stands now in his skill development, and to assess what he has been working on since the season ended and how he has improved. Most importantly, we have been assuming that PWill in fact has been working hard and has improved in demonstrable ways. If AK was limited to the tape that was available as of March 2020, then that raises questions about why Williams rose up the draft board to 4.

I have not read/watched everything that has come out about PWill. Do we in fact have evidence that the Bulls saw him play basketball in the months leading up to the draft? In AK's post-draft interview, I think he just mentioned having spent time with him and watching game tape. If not, do we even has specific information about what PWill has been working on, and with whom? Have we seen any video of his quarantine workouts? I have seen no such information. I think the videos that I have seen are from the pre-quarantine time period, and I have only seen PWill making general statements about having worked hard during the quarantine. For example, here's an article from Nov 13 in which PWill is interviewed and declines to talk about team workouts and provides only general info about his private workouts. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2020/11/12/positionless-patrick-williams-intriguing-draft-prospect-pistons/6264523002/ Anybody have any better information?

Honestly, I hope that isn't true. If they're the type of team who reaches for a guy based on a workout, then we're in for another bad tenure.

I'd hope they identified his character, traits, and production to determine his potential. They were so silent, they may have had him 4 this entire offseason.

AK said they were ready to make their pick in June insinuating PW was their guy back then based on everything you listed above.

KC I believe tweeted that PW did do a workout for the Bulls and it seems that was the only workout he may have done. That’d be interesting considering DET and SA loved him without seeing him workout?

Wonder when the video above came out and if PW has been playing pickup games the whole lockdown? If so it’s surprising no videos have surfaced. Who is his agent? Wasserman?

[MrSparkle]

Full video here:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CHym2d8BfPb/?igshid=1pvqv11tydszb

Nice! His handle looks a bit "basic" but his midrange looks good. I liked the way he bullied his defender then finished with a lefty layup.

Looks like a very competent SF amongst NBA vets to me.

This is the deceiving thing about college ball. His FSU tape, Williams looked like a butch Zion or Dray.

Alongside NBA players, he's got similar size and movement to Kawhi, George, Lebron, Jimmy, Brown, etc.

[cjbulls]

Full video here:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CHym2d8BfPb/?igshid=1pvqv11tydszb

He can already start bonding with Zach over their love of scrimmaging in pants.

[gobullschi]

Williams was not who I expected the Bulls to take but I'm glad AK is focusing on raw talent upside versus safe picks. Going to the safe route has not done anything for us in over 8 seasons. Time for a change and lets see how this plays out.

That’s the brilliance of the pick on several levels.

1. PW has a very high floor similar to OG Anunoby coming out. A winning versatile defensive player. I believe this will translate right away.

2. Due to age, base skill set, and frame/athletic profile PW has the highest ceiling in the draft IMO.

3. PW is the prototype for the most important position in the NBA right now. Wing.

4. We do not have one modern NBA wing on our roster. OPJ is a shooter but due to health I don’t see him here past this season and Hutch even if healthy doesn’t have the offensive package to create or playmake. PW fits our greatest need.

I can see an offensive system built on Zach and Coby getting lots of 3s and transition buckets. Lauri as a floor spacing shooter and WCJ as a facilitator and lob threat. If Coby and Zach are legit we need excellent defense, rebounding and IQ from the wing spot. I think PW can be that early. If he can be more than that and eventually initiate offense then we have the foundation for something that can work. I’m not banking on Lauri becoming more than a spot up shooter or WCJ more than a Steven Adam’s type.

As crazy as it sounds, Dotson becomes our 3rd player than can get his own shot off the bounce. I could see him becoming valuable for us. I expect a whole new team outside of Zach Coby and PW after this season.

The underlined hyperbole needs to stop. The top 3 guys all have higher ceilings and it's not debateable. Likelihood of reaching it may change based on personality and work ethic (which Williams profiles for ahead of the top 3), but all 3 can do things Williams only dreams of right now.

The italicized remains suspect. He looks more like a 4 to me long term and I'm not alone in that view, as much I would want him to be a wing.

What specifically makes you think that he can’t play the 3?

[Fastbrk4brkfast]

Williams was not who I expected the Bulls to take but I'm glad AK is focusing on raw talent upside versus safe picks. Going to the safe route has not done anything for us in over 8 seasons. Time for a change and lets see how this plays out.

That’s the brilliance of the pick on several levels.

1. PW has a very high floor similar to OG Anunoby coming out. A winning versatile defensive player. I believe this will translate right away.

2. Due to age, base skill set, and frame/athletic profile PW has the highest ceiling in the draft IMO.

3. PW is the prototype for the most important position in the NBA right now. Wing.

4. We do not have one modern NBA wing on our roster. OPJ is a shooter but due to health I don’t see him here past this season and Hutch even if healthy doesn’t have the offensive package to create or playmake. PW fits our greatest need.

I can see an offensive system built on Zach and Coby getting lots of 3s and transition buckets. Lauri as a floor spacing shooter and WCJ as a facilitator and lob threat. If Coby and Zach are legit we need excellent defense, rebounding and IQ from the wing spot. I think PW can be that early. If he can be more than that and eventually initiate offense then we have the foundation for something that can work. I’m not banking on Lauri becoming more than a spot up shooter or WCJ more than a Steven Adam’s type.

As crazy as it sounds, Dotson becomes our 3rd player than can get his own shot off the bounce. I could see him becoming valuable for us. I expect a whole new team outside of Zach Coby and PW after this season.

The underlined hyperbole needs to stop. The top 3 guys all have higher ceilings and it's not debateable. Likelihood of reaching it may change based on personality and work ethic (which Williams profiles for ahead of the top 3), but all 3 can do things Williams only dreams of right now.

The italicized remains suspect. He looks more like a 4 to me long term and I'm not alone in that view, as much I would want him to be a wing.

The guy spent a good portion of the game vs UNC picking up Cole Anthony full court. I just don't get this kneejerk rejection of his potential as a 3.

[gardenofsound]

Full video here:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CHym2d8BfPb/?igshid=1pvqv11tydszb

He can already start bonding with Zach over their love of scrimmaging in pants.

Seriously that's something I don't get unless you're playing outside on a blacktop in spring/fall.

Ok, that's strike one for Williams.


Let's hope he doesn't ride motorcycles like the last Williams the Bulls drafted...

[cjbulls]

Full video here:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CHym2d8BfPb/?igshid=1pvqv11tydszb

Nice! His handle looks a bit "basic" but his midrange looks good. I liked the way he bullied his defender then finished with a lefty layup.

Looks like a very competent SF amongst NBA vets to me.

This is the deceiving thing about college ball. His FSU tape, Williams looked like a butch Zion or Dray.

Alongside NBA players, he's pretty got similar size to Kawhi, George, Lebron, Jimmy, Brown, etc.

That's what remains to be seen. This clip is encouraging, but guys look very different in these types of videos (not all going hard, different camera angle, not a traditional NBA lineup, random guys who are not NBA players guarding him).

[Chi town]

Williams was not who I expected the Bulls to take but I'm glad AK is focusing on raw talent upside versus safe picks. Going to the safe route has not done anything for us in over 8 seasons. Time for a change and lets see how this plays out.

That’s the brilliance of the pick on several levels.

1. PW has a very high floor similar to OG Anunoby coming out. A winning versatile defensive player. I believe this will translate right away.

2. Due to age, base skill set, and frame/athletic profile PW has the highest ceiling in the draft IMO.

3. PW is the prototype for the most important position in the NBA right now. Wing.

4. We do not have one modern NBA wing on our roster. OPJ is a shooter but due to health I don’t see him here past this season and Hutch even if healthy doesn’t have the offensive package to create or playmake. PW fits our greatest need.

I can see an offensive system built on Zach and Coby getting lots of 3s and transition buckets. Lauri as a floor spacing shooter and WCJ as a facilitator and lob threat. If Coby and Zach are legit we need excellent defense, rebounding and IQ from the wing spot. I think PW can be that early. If he can be more than that and eventually initiate offense then we have the foundation for something that can work. I’m not banking on Lauri becoming more than a spot up shooter or WCJ more than a Steven Adam’s type.

As crazy as it sounds, Dotson becomes our 3rd player than can get his own shot off the bounce. I could see him becoming valuable for us. I expect a whole new team outside of Zach Coby and PW after this season.

The underlined hyperbole needs to stop. The top 3 guys all have higher ceilings and it's not debateable. Likelihood of reaching it may change based on personality and work ethic (which Williams profiles for ahead of the top 3), but all 3 can do things Williams only dreams of right now.

The italicized remains suspect. He looks more like a 4 to me long term and I'm not alone in that view, as much I would want him to be a wing.

I disagree. None of the top 3 are the wing I'm talking about. Edwards is a big guard with awful D and low IQ. Melo doesn't play D and his shot is fixable to below average IMO. Wiseman is an athletic specimen that doesn't and won't have a 3 ball IMO and he's a C... the least important position in the pros.

Not only do I think PW has the highest ceiling but I think based on what we know from background and continued improvement he is more likely to reach it. I could be totally wrong but I don't get those reaching potential vibes from Edwards and Melo. I do from Wiseman but I just don't think his position is important enough.

[cjbulls]

That’s the brilliance of the pick on several levels.

1. PW has a very high floor similar to OG Anunoby coming out. A winning versatile defensive player. I believe this will translate right away.

2. Due to age, base skill set, and frame/athletic profile PW has the highest ceiling in the draft IMO.

3. PW is the prototype for the most important position in the NBA right now. Wing.

4. We do not have one modern NBA wing on our roster. OPJ is a shooter but due to health I don’t see him here past this season and Hutch even if healthy doesn’t have the offensive package to create or playmake. PW fits our greatest need.

I can see an offensive system built on Zach and Coby getting lots of 3s and transition buckets. Lauri as a floor spacing shooter and WCJ as a facilitator and lob threat. If Coby and Zach are legit we need excellent defense, rebounding and IQ from the wing spot. I think PW can be that early. If he can be more than that and eventually initiate offense then we have the foundation for something that can work. I’m not banking on Lauri becoming more than a spot up shooter or WCJ more than a Steven Adam’s type.

As crazy as it sounds, Dotson becomes our 3rd player than can get his own shot off the bounce. I could see him becoming valuable for us. I expect a whole new team outside of Zach Coby and PW after this season.

The underlined hyperbole needs to stop. The top 3 guys all have higher ceilings and it's not debateable. Likelihood of reaching it may change based on personality and work ethic (which Williams profiles for ahead of the top 3), but all 3 can do things Williams only dreams of right now.

The italicized remains suspect. He looks more like a 4 to me long term and I'm not alone in that view, as much I would want him to be a wing.

What specifically makes you think that he can’t play the 3?

In FSU clips, he doesn't look very fluid laterally. I think the feet/hips are issues. He can play it fine now because he's light, but what happens as he gets bigger and stronger, which is definitely going to happen with his frame. Most young combo forwards play their way out of the 3 position.

[Chi town]

Nice! His handle looks a bit "basic" but his midrange looks good. I liked the way he bullied his defender then finished with a lefty layup.

Looks like a very competent SF amongst NBA vets to me.

This is the deceiving thing about college ball. His FSU tape, Williams looked like a butch Zion or Dray.

Alongside NBA players, he's pretty got similar size to Kawhi, George, Lebron, Jimmy, Brown, etc.

That's what remains to be seen. This clip is encouraging, but guys look very different in these types of videos (not all going hard, different camera angle, not a traditional NBA lineup, random guys who are not NBA players guarding him).

Wiggins, Payton Pritchard, Dinwiddie and it looks like Don Mitchell in first clip.