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WOJ: NBA investigating possible tampering: Update Bulls forfeit 2nd Round Pick pg. 31

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Re: WOJ: NBA investigating possible tampering: Update Bulls forfeit 2nd Round Pick pg. 31 

Post#701 » by sco » Thu Dec 2, 2021 2:43 pm

FriedRise wrote:I doubt AKME care all that much about second rounders given how generous they've been with attaching picks to get players they really want.

Next summer if they have a target they really, really want to land, I bet they'll change absolutely nothing of their approach.

BUT I can see them maybe reminding the agent a little more sternly about being smarter when it comes time to break the news. That was the main problem after all.

IMO, 2nd rounders matter more to non-playoff teams sifting through the sand for nuggets of talent. Optimistically, we aren't one of those teams for the next few years, and we will be focused on bringing in role playing vets to provided selectively needed depth.
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Re: WOJ: NBA investigating possible tampering: Update Bulls forfeit 2nd Round Pick pg. 31 

Post#702 » by Pax for Prez » Thu Dec 2, 2021 5:25 pm

Interesting find .... the Bulls are handcuff even more about trading future picks (see below)

"Chicago could receive a 2023 second-round pick from Denver as well, but that's also protected for selections 31-46. If that pick doesn't convey, the Bulls have already traded each of their future second-rounders until 2026.

Chicago and Miami can't trade any of their currently held future second-round draft picks until the forfeiture is resolved, but that limitation is hardly seen by league executives as a strict handcuff."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2950983-nbas-latest-tampering-penalties-earn-eye-rolls-from-league-insiders
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Re: WOJ: NBA investigating possible tampering: Update Bulls forfeit 2nd Round Pick pg. 31 

Post#703 » by FriedRise » Thu Dec 2, 2021 5:31 pm

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What does that even mean? If you suspend AK for x amount of days/weeks/months, November/December is likely the slow part of an NBA front office executive's job so it probably won't affect anything. Unless they're talking about suspension during the offseason, I kinda would much rather have that than a draft pick being taken away.
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Re: WOJ: NBA investigating possible tampering: Update Bulls forfeit 2nd Round Pick pg. 31 

Post#704 » by TheFinishSniper » Thu Dec 2, 2021 6:24 pm

Fake threats. Like I said they wouldnt punish us taking 2nd rounder if they had anything in their sleeve other than fake threats. Seems like Silver's office is run by Miami Heat players.
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Re: WOJ: NBA investigating possible tampering: Update Bulls forfeit 2nd Round Pick pg. 31 

Post#705 » by PlayerUp » Fri Dec 3, 2021 3:20 am

FriedRise wrote:I doubt AKME care all that much about second rounders given how generous they've been with attaching picks to get players they really want.


Right but he did hit a homerun with Ayo who is our best 2nd Round Pick since maybe Omer Asik, Chris Duhon. Possibly may even surpass those 2.
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Re: WOJ: NBA investigating possible tampering: Update Bulls forfeit 2nd Round Pick pg. 31 

Post#706 » by HomoSapien » Fri Dec 3, 2021 3:26 am

We should just buy whoever owns GS or Phoenix’s second round pick.
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Re: WOJ: NBA investigating possible tampering: Update Bulls forfeit 2nd Round Pick pg. 31 

Post#707 » by Repeat 3-peat » Fri Dec 3, 2021 3:41 am

Is Marc Stein even reliable anymore? I hardly ever see him break news. Unless it comes from Woj. or Shams, I don't believe anything around the Bulls.
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Re: WOJ: NBA investigating possible tampering: Update Bulls forfeit 2nd Round Pick pg. 31 

Post#708 » by Bullbleep » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:44 am

The real and apparently still unanswered question is whether the bulls are just obligated to give up the first 2nd round pick they receive for which they already own rights, or whether the acquisition of any 2nd round pick in the interim would immediately convey. If its the former, there shouldn't be any significant loss unless Denver completely collapses in 2023 and the Bulls have to give up a #31-40ish, or something like that. However, if its the latter, that's a potential double-edged sword. As some have suggested, just buying a #59 or #60 in 2022 would be a cheap way out, assuming the NBA doesn't disallow that. But the other side of the sword would be any trades which might involve "good" 2nd rounders could be costly. Imagine packaging their two 2022 1st rounders in the high teens and/or low twenties for one 2022 1st rounder in the low-mid teens with a high 2nd thrown in. That would be a somewhat painful forfeiture. Despite much of the '2nd rounders don't matter' chatter here, they do have value at the high end. There's typically not a whole lot of difference between #26-30 and #31-40. The high second round routinely produces some quality players. Some people here rave about Ayo and point out AKME's 2nd round accomplishments (see Jokic), then poo-poo 2nd round picks. If the forfeit pick is just Denver's 2023 or the Bull's 2026, then its probably not a big deal. But if they would potentially lose any newly acquired 2nd rounder, it could complicate their trade options or make them too expensive...
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Re: WOJ: NBA investigating possible tampering: Update Bulls forfeit 2nd Round Pick pg. 31 

Post#709 » by kulaz3000 » Fri Dec 3, 2021 4:51 am

FriedRise wrote:
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What does that even mean? If you suspend AK for x amount of days/weeks/months, November/December is likely the slow part of an NBA front office executive's job so it probably won't affect anything. Unless they're talking about suspension during the offseason, I kinda would much rather have that than a draft pick being taken away.


Yeah, how would that have even worked? Would he have been docked pay for that period of time like a player? Or does that mean he just wouldn't have been allowed to be with the team during that time and just worked from home?

That would have just been stupid, and it's not like just because he wouldn't be working, he doesn't have a team behind him to do his work. This was brought up early on as a possible penalty, it didn't make sense then and it still doesn't make sense.
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Re: WOJ: NBA investigating possible tampering: Update Bulls forfeit 2nd Round Pick pg. 31 

Post#710 » by Michael Jackson » Fri Dec 3, 2021 1:51 pm

Somewhere Gar Forman is rolling over in his grave. First he can’t believe AK was this stupid, hell he can’t believe that a player of any value could actually be signed. He can’t even fathom that outcome. Now you add up the second round pick? What is AK going to do for Gars best trade collection of Cash Considerations? I can feel the indigestion that Gar has right now someone get the man some Pepcid AC stat.

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