Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition

[MGB8]

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i really wish we weren't trying to attach assets to zach to move him, but thanks to the rest of the league for not taking us up on it, i guess? just lose with him here, who cares

I just basically don’t believe the Bulls are trying to pure salary dump Zach and would attach a first to do it. It’s a report from a credible source but it’s one I simply refuse to believe.

I’m not suggesting there have been no trades discussed in which a first would be part of the deal, or that the Bulls would not pure salary dump him. They might even take on a negative asset to salary dump him. But dump him AND include a first? I assume there is much more nuance to such a package than a pure dump.

I realize we are talking about a poor front office here, but sometimes reports are just too stupid in practice to accept at face value for me.

If this is true, at face value, then AKME is far more incompetent than even I thought...

But I can't see it as a possibility with the talk about "winning" a LaVine trade.

And, I mean, they can't be so dumb as to think that a 35 year old DDR in Zach's spot plus losing a first round pick is better than just letting DDR and letting Zach rebuild his value? Can they?

[coldfish]

Zach realistically only has two years left on his deal. He is a Klutch guy, so next season he is going to come in in the best shape of his life trying to secure one last bag. That's their pattern.

If you keep Zach, you basically have to put up with his shenanigans for this year. I would rather do that then give away picks to get rid of him. Given that I want the team to tank for a generational draft, Zach creating problems this year actually works in the team's long term interests.

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As a side note, I totally believe that he opted to get the surgery when he found he was about to get traded to Detroit. That's also a Klutch type move.

[Guru]

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i really wish we weren't trying to attach assets to zach to move him, but thanks to the rest of the league for not taking us up on it, i guess? just lose with him here, who cares

I just basically don’t believe the Bulls are trying to pure salary dump Zach and would attach a first to do it. It’s a report from a credible source but it’s one I simply refuse to believe.

I’m not suggesting there have been no trades discussed in which a first would be part of the deal, or that the Bulls would not pure salary dump him. They might even take on a negative asset to salary dump him. But dump him AND include a first? I assume there is much more nuance to such a package than a pure dump.

I realize we are talking about a poor front office here, but sometimes reports are just too stupid in practice to accept at face value for me.

I agree, I don't believe it for a second.

[Guru]

Zach isn't bad. Find a way to play him or find a way to get something for him.

I won't be at all surprised when he gets us exactly what Dajonte Murray got.

[ChiefILL53]

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i really wish we weren't trying to attach assets to zach to move him, but thanks to the rest of the league for not taking us up on it, i guess? just lose with him here, who cares

I just basically don’t believe the Bulls are trying to pure salary dump Zach and would attach a first to do it. It’s a report from a credible source but it’s one I simply refuse to believe.

I’m not suggesting there have been no trades discussed in which a first would be part of the deal, or that the Bulls would not pure salary dump him. They might even take on a negative asset to salary dump him. But dump him AND include a first? I assume there is much more nuance to such a package than a pure dump.

I realize we are talking about a poor front office here, but sometimes reports are just too stupid in practice to accept at face value for me.

Yea I just dont believe that Zach has zero value around the league. An efficient (albeit injury prone) 25/4/4 player on near 50/40/85 splits? It just doesn't make any sense with what we've seen around the league lately. Hell, Bradley Beal and his no trade clause got traded and he's been worse than zach for a few years now. I still think this is someone behind the scenes throwing all this stuff out there. Maybe Klutch is tryna get him to a very specific spot? Idk. Bulls are in no spot to trade 1sts. I think this is all posturing until FA starts and people start whiffing on their targets. If AKME attches an asset to trade Zach, they both need to be fired.

[jnrjr79]

I’ll be fairly surprised if a market doesn’t open up for Zach as teams lose out on their first options.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

I bet the report is referencing the Portland 1st, which isn’t really a valuable 1st. Which for a pure salary dump of Lavine would be a good trade for the Bulls.

[SalmonsSuperfan]

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i really wish we weren't trying to attach assets to zach to move him, but thanks to the rest of the league for not taking us up on it, i guess? just lose with him here, who cares

I just basically don’t believe the Bulls are trying to pure salary dump Zach and would attach a first to do it. It’s a report from a credible source but it’s one I simply refuse to believe.

I’m not suggesting there have been no trades discussed in which a first would be part of the deal, or that the Bulls would not pure salary dump him. They might even take on a negative asset to salary dump him. But dump him AND include a first? I assume there is much more nuance to such a package than a pure dump.

I realize we are talking about a poor front office here, but sometimes reports are just too stupid in practice to accept at face value for me.

all a 'credible source' really is is a mouthpiece with no ability to discern fact from fiction (or no interest in doing so. people pay attention to you when you say wild ****). I believe someone involved with the NBA told this "journalist" this "information", I just agree that it probably isn't true...or even particularly believable. Sounds like that Caruso remark about "multiple firsts", it's inflammatory and makes the Bulls look bad, aka produces lots of social media engagement.

basically, all I read from this is that some team is trying to trade for LaVine but doesn't want to give up anything. still, I will beat a dead horse at every opportunity and say this guy should've been traded during/after 21-22.

[burlydee]

The Bulls have been trying to trade Lavine for 2 years. Klutch has been trying to have him traded for two years. At this point its pretty obvious no one wants him at that salary. It isn't the reporters making stuff up.

This is partially on the Bulls and partially on Lavine. All I want to hear from Lavine is "I plan to have my best season of my career next year and lead the Bulls to the playoffs." Than go to work. That will bring more trade offers than any klutch sweatshirt, or tweet about Brons kids or workouts in LA. Just play.

[Guru]

Zach (And DDR) Options

Paul George Contingency Teams
-Magic
-Clippers
-76ers

Paul George Partners
-Jazz

Contenders with superstars who want one last go
-Warriors
-Lakers

Quick Rebuild Team
-Spurs
-Wizards

[HomoSapien]

Just rebuild his value. We thought he was good enough to sign him to a max two years ago. One bad season shouldn’t change our opinion so drastically that we now want to give up assets to move him.

[Charlesareed]

This is a false report no way bulls offered a 1st plus Zach lavine and no one bites bs the lakers pistons & kings would’ve jumped on that by now

[DuckIII]

I bet the report is referencing the Portland 1st, which isn’t really a valuable 1st. Which for a pure salary dump of Lavine would be a good trade for the Bulls.

Excellent point.

[SirKaiser]

The more and more I hear about it being supposedly impossible to find any trade partners, the more it makes me believe the front office really has no intention of trading him. Or atleast that's what they want other teams to think.

They took the same approach with Caruso, and waited until it was too late (in terms of getting an additional pick).

It seems the FO has decided to become very stingy.

[sco]

I bet the report is referencing the Portland 1st, which isn’t really a valuable 1st. Which for a pure salary dump of Lavine would be a good trade for the Bulls.

Excellent point.

I have to think that the aspect of adding the 1st (even the POR 1st) would have AK widely criticized as "losing the deal", and that's what caused the "pause".

Honestly, while I think it is stupid to trade Zach for nothing or less than nothing, I think our best outcome is just to NOT resign Demar. As long as not being able to trade Zach, causes Demar to go somewhere else, it's a win. Based on the current rumor mill, Zach's value can basically only go up. I'm just worried that Demar won't be able to find a deal for more than the MLE elsewhere based on what I saw on WT about who the Lakers were courting with the MLE.

[TheSuzerain]

I bet the report is referencing the Portland 1st, which isn’t really a valuable 1st. Which for a pure salary dump of Lavine would be a good trade for the Bulls.

Excellent point.

I have to think that the aspect of adding the 1st (even the POR 1st) would have AK widely criticized as "losing the deal", and that's what caused the "pause".

Honestly, while I think it is stupid to trade Zach for nothing or less than nothing, I think our best outcome is just to NOT resign Demar. As long as not being able to trade Zach, causes Demar to go somewhere else, it's a win. Based on the current rumor mill, Zach's value can basically only go up. I'm just worried that Demar won't be able to find a deal for more than the MLE elsewhere based on what I saw on WT about who the Lakers were courting with the MLE.

Adding the meager return AK got for Lauri to offload Lavine would be a perfect encapsulation of AK's management performance.

And also probably the right thing to do.

[MGB8]

I bet the report is referencing the Portland 1st, which isn’t really a valuable 1st. Which for a pure salary dump of Lavine would be a good trade for the Bulls.

Excellent point.

I have to think that the aspect of adding the 1st (even the POR 1st) would have AK widely criticized as "losing the deal", and that's what caused the "pause".

Honestly, while I think it is stupid to trade Zach for nothing or less than nothing, I think our best outcome is just to NOT resign Demar. As long as not being able to trade Zach, causes Demar to go somewhere else, it's a win. Based on the current rumor mill, Zach's value can basically only go up. I'm just worried that Demar won't be able to find a deal for more than the MLE elsewhere based on what I saw on WT about who the Lakers were courting with the MLE.

100% agree.

I saw DDR iso ball kill the Bulls in the 4th too many times last season.

Meanwhile, if it costs more than a first to unload Zach, imagine how much it would cost to unload a 35M per year declined no 3, no D, needs to be primary option DDR?

And, yes. The Bulls are so asset poor they can’t afford to even lose the Portland pick to just dump salary - the gained cap space doesn’t actually gain them anything - other than the ability to overpay DDR. Hard pass.

[Muzbar]

I said before the deadline that Zach was here to stay, allegedly (still) no one wants that contract. I won't be surprised if he's in Chicago for the duration of his contract.

People say it's not that bad, well apparently league GMs disagree.

[coldfish]

I said before the deadline that Zach was here to stay, allegedly (still) no one wants that contract. I won't be surprised if he's in Chicago for the duration of his contract.

People say it's not that bad, well apparently league GMs disagree.

Oh, its bad. On one hand if you are a GM you have to wonder if he is even going to play. When he does play, he has issues with decision making on offense and defense in general.

He is fantastically overpaid.

That said, IMO he can be a positive player. He can shoot lights out off ball and create his own shot on it. When he tries on defense like during Derozan and Ball's first year, he is fine.

If the choice is between hoping you get that player versus trading away assets just to dump him . . . I'll go with hope.

[Jcool0]

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