Reggie Rose rips Bulls' inactivity

[Mr Funk]

The only thing I was disappointed in was not matching Asik. If you want to win in this league, like any sport, you have to spend. Because you're a cheapskate, you lose assets like Asik that cannot be replaced. Not because Asik was so good, but because he was an asset that could be used in trades etc. If you want to win, you can't just let those assets walk.

When are people going to realize that if we matched that Asik contract, we wouldn't be able to sign Mirotic for 2014-2015.

Rose $18,862,876
Noah $12,200,000
Deng $10,000,000 (let's just say an average range of 10 million)
Taj $8,000,000
Asik $14,898,938
Boozer $16,800,000

$80,761,814 - way into the tax, can't risk getting into the repeater under the new CBA

Mind you Boozer will be moved and that cash be used for another piece next to Rose, and we will also need the space to resign Deng and to bring in Mirotic. But not matching that Asik offer was wise.

[CalilLove89]

The statement by Rose didn't deny or disagree with Reggie's comments, makes me thinks maybe he does feel that way. Which is pretty ridiculous.

Rose just got a reality check with his ACL, he just found out he is mortal, and it can be gone in an instant. He is in win now mode, he will come back hungry, and i would not be surprised if he will be a little more frank with the team now.

He has all the monies, now he wants the rings.

This. The old pathetic bulls philosophy of conservative, ho hum, easy as we go needs to die a permanent death. I see this as a subtle warning that Rose will leave if the Bulls FO doesn't get its act together.

Then again, the Bulls are now in position to pay LT for the first time ever. This is good news and maybe it signals a change in philosophy...finally. Maybe they heard of this news before they were about to dump Rip for pennies and decided to back off. I hope so. It means the Bulls FO is finally scared of one of their players, something we haven't seen since Jordan.

They could of kept the old team together sans Asik and they would be in the same situation.

[The Kane]

I think I'm in love with GetBuLLish. He's one of the only voices of reason In this thread.

[Leto]

The only thing I was disappointed in was not matching Asik. If you want to win in this league, like any sport, you have to spend. Because you're a cheapskate, you lose assets like Asik that cannot be replaced. Not because Asik was so good, but because he was an asset that could be used in trades etc. If you want to win, you can't just let those assets walk.

When are people going to realize that if we matched that Asik contract, we wouldn't be able to sign Mirotic for 2014-2015.

Rose $18,862,876
Noah $12,200,000
Deng $10,000,000 (let's just say an average range of 10 million)
Taj $8,000,000
Asik $14,898,938
Boozer $16,800,000

$80,761,814 - way into the tax, can't risk getting into the repeater under the new CBA

Mind you Boozer will be moved and that cash be used for another piece next to Rose, and we will also need the space to resign Deng and to bring in Mirotic. But not matching that Asik offer was wise.

Look, if you want to win, you have to spend. The Heat have a payroll of 84 mil. Lakers 100 mil NY, BKL. All these teams understand that if you want to win, you have to spend.

[DuckIII]

This is no different than the media asking Dwight Howard's parents what their son wants to do in the offseason.

Smack, its nothing like that.

(a) Reggie is Derrick's de facto manager, and captain of Team Derrick. Always has been.

(b) He obviously started leaking this to Bucher many months before Rose was even remotely close to returning to the court, or even sure he'd be physically able. Bucher reporting multiple times that Team Derrick might hold Rose out due to the inability to win a championship this year, and that is all Rose cares about (i.e., virtually verbatim of Reggie's comments today).

(c) Team Derrick organizes a national media piece, unbeknownst to all local media (who may in theory be partial to management to gain access) of the FO, in which Rose himself suggests, in advance of the trade deadline, that he might not play this season, and it wouldn't bother him not to.

(d) Those statements are diametrically opposed to Rose's own teammates' statement about the status of rehab.

(e) Literally minutes after the deadline passes with no deal, Reggie comes out and says things completely consistent with the reports by Bucher and the statements of Rose himself.

Next step: Derrick disavows for PR purposes. Probably in an arranged interview or by contacting KC to curry favor to keep the now scorned local media off his back.

[CalilLove89]

Did Kerr just call Reggie stupid.

[theanimal23]

This is no different than the media asking Dwight Howard's parents what their son wants to do in the offseason.

Smack, its nothing like that.

(a) Reggie is Derrick's de facto manager, and captain of Team Derrick. Always has been.

(b) He obviously started leaking this to Bucher many months before Rose was even remotely close to returning to the court, or even sure he'd be physically able. Bucher reporting multiple times that Team Derrick might hold Rose out due to the inability to win a championship this year, and that is all Rose cares about (i.e., virtually verbatim of Reggie's comments today).

(c) Team Derrick organizes a national media piece, unbeknownst to all local media (who may in theory be partial to management to gain access) of the FO, in which Rose himself suggests, in advance of the trade deadline, that he might not play this season, and it wouldn't bother him not to.

(d) Those statements are diametrically opposed to Rose's own teammates' statement about the status of rehab.

(e) Literally minutes after the deadline passes with no deal, Reggie comes out and says things completely consistent with the reports by Bucher and the statements of Rose himself.

Next step: Derrick disavows for PR purposes. Probably in an arranged interview or by contacting KC to curry favor to keep the now scorned local media off his back.

Perfectly put. +100000000000000000000

[Rerisen]

Reggie's words aren't what matters, nor Rose disavowing them. What ultimately matters is if he plays and competes this year. If he does, then he will have one up on management, who chose to treat this as a tread water cost savings year. If he sits out, he will have made the same choice they did. That going all out wasn't worth it this year.

[Mr Funk]

Look, if you want to win, you have to spend. The Heat have a payroll of 84 mil. Lakers 100 mil NY, BKL. All these teams understand that if you want to win, you have to spend.

And guess what, there's a new CBA and a repeater tax about to kick in.

[WinCity]

This is no different than the media asking Dwight Howard's parents what their son wants to do in the offseason.

Smack, its nothing like that.

(a) Reggie is Derrick's de facto manager, and captain of Team Derrick. Always has been.

(b) He obviously started leaking this to Bucher many months before Rose was even remotely close to returning to the court, or even sure he'd be physically able. Bucher reporting multiple times that Team Derrick might hold Rose out due to the inability to win a championship this year, and that is all Rose cares about (i.e., virtually verbatim of Reggie's comments today).

(c) Team Derrick organizes a national media piece, unbeknownst to all local media (who may in theory be partial to management to gain access) of the FO, in which Rose himself suggests, in advance of the trade deadline, that he might not play this season, and it wouldn't bother him not to.

(d) Those statements are diametrically opposed to Rose's own teammates' statement about the status of rehab.

(e) Literally minutes after the deadline passes with no deal, Reggie comes out and says things completely consistent with the reports by Bucher and the statements of Rose himself.

Next step: Derrick disavows for PR purposes. Probably in an arranged interview or by contacting KC to curry favor to keep the now scorned local media off his back.

Pretty good summation of the timeline of known events. The interesting part is the unknown i.e. how long has team Rose been on the FO's case about spending/making moves? I think at least since last season. My guess is when Rose saw how big the gap was between them and MIA in the ECF he started lobbying for better scorers.

[coldfish]

Problem: Want a second superstar to come to Chicago
Solution: Publicly trash the Bulls management and players

Yes, Coldfish. Superstars were lining up to come to Chicago. Due to this article, they now have all decided against it. "Sorry, Jerry, you know I'd love to play for you, but that ESPN article really changed my mind."

The funny thing is this. Not only have superstar players come out and said that Rose should stay out as long as possible (Lebron, KG even said he should sit the year, etc.), but many, if not all, superstars have their own histories of demanding better teammates (Kobe), demanding to be traded (Melo), or flat out leaving their teams (Lebron, KG). But now that Rose does something far less impactful than any of those things, superstars will now shun him and Chicago.

Again, another example of an irrational post.

Go back to 2010. The last time Chicago had a chance to get a superstar. Remember Wade saying "Chicago isn't loyal"? Remember the results of 2010?

Read your own post. Lebron left Cleveland. Did Cleveland win a title? Melo demanded to leave Denver. Did Denver win a title? Did Minnesota win? You basically 100% backed up my post without realizing it. A superstar complaining publicly is normally very bad for a franchise. The only time I think it has ever worked is Kobe and yes, if the Bulls turn down a Kwame for Gasol type trade I will be PISSED.

[WinCity]

Problem: Want a second superstar to come to Chicago
Solution: Publicly trash the Bulls management and players

Yes, Coldfish. Superstars were lining up to come to Chicago. Due to this article, they now have all decided against it. "Sorry, Jerry, you know I'd love to play for you, but that ESPN article really changed my mind."

The funny thing is this. Not only have superstar players come out and said that Rose should stay out as long as possible (Lebron, KG even said he should sit the year, etc.), but many, if not all, superstars have their own histories of demanding better teammates (Kobe), demanding to be traded (Melo), or flat out leaving their teams (Lebron, KG). But now that Rose does something far less impactful than any of those things, superstars will now shun him and Chicago.

Again, another example of an irrational post.

Go back to 2010. The last time Chicago had a chance to get a superstar. Remember Wade saying "Chicago isn't loyal"? Remember the results of 2010?

Read your own post. Lebron left Cleveland. Did Cleveland win a title? Melo demanded to leave Denver. Did Denver win a title? Did Minnesota win? You basically 100% backed up my post without realizing it. A superstar complaining publicly is normally very bad for a franchise. The only time I think it has ever worked is Kobe and yes, if the Bulls turn down a Kwame for Gasol type trade I will be PISSED.

Wasn't MJ prone to demanding moves from the team?

[Ax2SG]

What statement did Derrick Rose release? Craig Sager just talked about Reggie's comments and said something about Derrick's statement. Did I miss something? Or do I have to search these 58483 pages?

[waffle]

I still think we underestimate the role of BJ in this.

[Bullflip]

Maybe this is why Rose doesn't sit with the team during home games....

[DuckIII]

The saddest part is, this is a perfect moment for Rose to talk to the media. Clean his name. Separate himself from his brothers comments BUT unfortunately a press conference will not be sponsored by Adidas or pressured from Reggie and thus he won't speak. TNT game vs. Heat - any other superstar would speak. Rose, no.

No, bro. That's exactly what they want. But it won't be a press conference. Derrick deflecting what Reggie said and praising the team and front office, expressing his "trust", is the next step in this thing.

Good cop / bad cop.

But I think it will work, at least with the fans.

Some fans, which I called in my very first post in this thread. This is all premeditated and organized.

[BullsFTW]

Basically Reggie wants immediate "help" right now, like us. But the FO wants to shoot for the stars, which will require patience. Which all of us and Reggie need.

[Mk0]

Mk0 wrote:
My stream feed of tonight's game just showed LeBron and Reggie Rose talking with their mouth's covered for a minute in the background and then gave a close up of them talking. LeBron was animated and nodding a lot.

I do not like this.

What does this mean? Reggie recruiting LeBron?

Lebron recruiting Rose after Dwade gets old.

Not sure what it was since it was during the warmups. No audio, but Kerr and Marv referred to Reggie as a non-story when they were doing their initial walkthrough for tonight's game. They said Sager should go with the Rose rehab story instead.

I am watching link #2 on Firstrowsports. No commercial breaks, just shots on the court and occasional Marv/Kerr talk.

Edit: and the link just died. fuuuuuuuu....

[WinCity]

I still think we underestimate the role of BJ in this.

What is your guess? I think this stems from Derricks own view and Reggie putting pressure on Mgt. while allowing Derrick to sit back and avoid hurting his public image too much. I'm not sure I see BJ as the mastermind type.

[DuckIII]

Later tonight I give my take here regarding the situation.......

But I want to post this:

Derrick said they'll have a statement about Reggie's comments. Credit @DavidHaugh for getting in the one question during a walk-by

https://twitter.com/espnchijon

Ha! Told ya so. (I don't mind saying that.) Derrick won't address it impromptu. Gotta go back to Reggie and the team to work out the detailed lie. Haugh caught him off guard.