OT Election Thread

[dice]

Luckily for him, Presidents increase their wealth after leaving office

by writing memoirs and giving big money speeches. i don't see trump going down that road to a degree that's going to significantly impact his finances

the clintons are worth an estimated 120 mil. they have accrued that over 20 years. trump owes an estimated 421 million, which he calls "a peanut", but nobody really knows how much he is worth

You do know Trump isn't -421 million. He has assets against those loans that are likely worth more. Perhaps he's not worth 10 billion like he claims but he's certainly a billionaire.

we don't even know for sure that he's a billionaire. celebritynetworth.com estimates him at 2 bil, but we simply don't know. we DO pretty much know that he's a bad businessman who has relied on marketing his name and being a game show host for cash flow. but his name is now tarnished and he's no longer raking in TV money

[Jvaughn]

His base will die down after he no longer has the office of President and Fox News to bolster his nonsense.
Eventually they will feel like the chick that drunkenly slept with the 10 but woke up to a 2 with Herpes.

I really hope so, but I fear he'll be even louder when he gets out of the White House. I also think his die hard MAGA supporters are going to be right there for it. Wouldn't be surprised if they along with the Quanon crew tried to start up their own party.

I'm not saying he will die down and be quiet. I am saying that his base won't have the platform it has in the past. It was bolstered by him being in power and Fox News pandering to him and spreading his false information to inflame the masses.

I guess we'll see how Fox News handles it moving forward. They should cut their losses and go back to just conservative leaning and drop all the MAGA Quanon crap.

[PlayerUp]

If the GOP holds the senate, then Biden will accomplish nothing as a one term president. IOW, Biden is basically a transistional president. That's fine because Biden is not my president, nor was Trump. They are/were simply the head dumbass in charge. P

I wouldn't rule that out. McConnell and Biden were friends before and if Biden can negotiate with McConnell a bunch of things can get done. Besides alot of things require a 60 vote in the senate. Things like energy infrastructure, healthcare, police reform, and a variety of other things can get done. We'll see. The issue in the past has been on McConnell. If you had a different leader such as Romney things could be alot different imo.

[PlayerUp]

I really hope so, but I fear he'll be even louder when he gets out of the White House. I also think his die hard MAGA supporters are going to be right there for it. Wouldn't be surprised if they along with the Quanon crew tried to start up their own party.

I'm not saying he will die down and be quiet. I am saying that his base won't have the platform it has in the past. It was bolstered by him being in power and Fox News pandering to him and spreading his false information to inflame the masses.

I guess we'll see how Fox News handles it moving forward. They should cut their losses and go back to just conservative leaning and drop all the MAGA Quanon crap.

TBD.

It wouldn't shock me if Trump goes on an all out political war making things even worse creating further divide. Still way too early to predict what will happen next.

[dice]

I really hope so, but I fear he'll be even louder when he gets out of the White House. I also think his die hard MAGA supporters are going to be right there for it. Wouldn't be surprised if they along with the Quanon crew tried to start up their own party.

I'm not saying he will die down and be quiet. I am saying that his base won't have the platform it has in the past. It was bolstered by him being in power and Fox News pandering to him and spreading his false information to inflame the masses.

I guess we'll see how Fox News handles it moving forward. They should cut their losses and go back to just conservative leaning and drop all the MAGA Quanon crap.

fox entertainment (the non-news division - your o'reillys, hannities, fox and friends, etc) was created as a political arm of the GOP, now birther party. their agenda has shifted accordingly based on party leadership. they are trained bootlickers

[dice]

If the GOP holds the senate, then Biden will accomplish nothing as a one term president. IOW, Biden is basically a transistional president. That's fine because Biden is not my president, nor was Trump. They are/were simply the head dumbass in charge. P

I wouldn't rule that out. McConnell and Biden were friends before and if Biden can negotiate with McConnell a bunch of things can get done. Besides alot of things require a 60 vote in the senate. Things like energy infrastructure, healthcare, police reform, and a variety of other things can get done. We'll see. The issue in the past has been on McConnell. If you had a different leader such as Romney things could be alot different imo.

assuming that the birthers maintain the senate, i would bet a whole lot of money that very little gets done over the next 2 years other than a modest stimulus package. and that might get done prior to biden taking office now so he can't get credit for it

[PlayerUp]

If the GOP holds the senate, then Biden will accomplish nothing as a one term president. IOW, Biden is basically a transistional president. That's fine because Biden is not my president, nor was Trump. They are/were simply the head dumbass in charge. P

I wouldn't rule that out. McConnell and Biden were friends before and if Biden can negotiate with McConnell a bunch of things can get done. Besides alot of things require a 60 vote in the senate. Things like energy infrastructure, healthcare, police reform, and a variety of other things can get done. We'll see. The issue in the past has been on McConnell. If you had a different leader such as Romney things could be alot different imo.

assuming that the birthers maintain the senate, i would bet a whole lot of money that very little gets done over the next 2 years other than a modest stimulus package. and that might get done prior to biden taking office now so he can't get credit for it

He'll be pressured too much because if the democrats cant flip the senate in 2020, they have enough GOP vulnerable seats to flip it in 2022. Problem is the house will likely flip red in 2022 and they're about to flip about +10 house seats once the counting is all done in this 2020 election.

[TheStig]

Biden is a terrible candidate. He literally won by hiding in his basement and not saying anything. There is no real mandate or plan. He's just going to write some weak executive orders.

Yeah everyone is using this as some sort of proof that Biden was the right move and that it's why the DNC has to keep moving towards the right and keep pushing "moderate" candidates.

Bullsh*t. They did absolutely awful considering the wide open slam dunk this should have been. Their down ballot performance was absolutely pathetic too. Just a liiiiitle bit more competent voter supression and all the swing states they barely won are going to Trump.

The Dems are pathetic and they will just keep losing with their garbage ass "electable" candidates.

you and 'the stig' are just so far off the mark with this take it's incredible. first of all, the DNC does NOT keep "moving towards the right." fake news. more and more progressive candidates are running, and the party platform has quite plainly moved to the left in the past few years. just not as fast as people like you want it to and not as fast as the birther party has been moving to the right. the party is more liberal than it has EVER been. the facts are out there, but feel free to ignore them. doesn't make you much better than the other side

many are arguing right now that the party didn't do as well as they should have in this election BECAUSE they catered too much to the left wing rather than adhere to the tried and true methodology of actually WINNING EFFING ELECTIONS. if you think that bernie sanders, for example, would have done markedly better than biden, you're grossly deluded

more extreme candidates simply don't tend to do as well appealing to moderate electorates. that's just political science 101

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/01/06/progressive-democrats-bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren

i've said it time and time again: the period of most progressive accomplishment in american history was when a bold, practical leader (FDR) had a huge majority of MODERATE DEMOCRATS in congress. the most moderate democratic congress in history, actually. and FDR wasn't a liberal on the order of a bernie sanders either. he just got a lot done that needed to be done...because he had a lot of help




speaking of FDR, please for the love of god give me the name of a democratic president since then who you wouldn't consider to be a moderate. because it sure seems to me that by your definition JFK, clinton and obama were all "garbage ass electable candidates"

why did obama not get a "medicare for all who want it" public option? because he didn't have quite enough help in congress. simple as that. the alternative was the "nuclear option" of eliminating the filibuster on all legislation. no senate majority in history has been bold enough to go that far. i was hoping the dems would take the senate and do just that this time around, but instead we're gonna be subjected to at least 2 more years of birther obstruction

This nonsense is squiggly gobbley gook. You're trying to tell me that Obama was more liberal than FDR

Yeah Obamacare was really so much liberal than things like social security, fdic, NLRB, Fannie Mae, SEC, Glass-Stegal, CCC, FHA and Fair labor standard act. On top of expanding tons of other programs.

If Obama did social security, it would have been for people over 85, private and paid for 10 years max. Because he'd try to strike the grand bargain and sell out to republicans and financial companies.

[TheStig]

If the GOP holds the senate, then Biden will accomplish nothing as a one term president. IOW, Biden is basically a transistional president. That's fine because Biden is not my president, nor was Trump. They are/were simply the head dumbass in charge. P

I wouldn't rule that out. McConnell and Biden were friends before and if Biden can negotiate with McConnell a bunch of things can get done. Besides alot of things require a 60 vote in the senate. Things like energy infrastructure, healthcare, police reform, and a variety of other things can get done. We'll see. The issue in the past has been on McConnell. If you had a different leader such as Romney things could be alot different imo.

First, I don't think it'll happen. McConnell will just bury it like he does all the house bills.

Second, if he did strike a deal on something big, he'd have to sell out so many aspects that it'd look like swiss cheese.

[MrFortune3]

I really hope so, but I fear he'll be even louder when he gets out of the White House. I also think his die hard MAGA supporters are going to be right there for it. Wouldn't be surprised if they along with the Quanon crew tried to start up their own party.

I'm not saying he will die down and be quiet. I am saying that his base won't have the platform it has in the past. It was bolstered by him being in power and Fox News pandering to him and spreading his false information to inflame the masses.

I guess we'll see how Fox News handles it moving forward. They should cut their losses and go back to just conservative leaning and drop all the MAGA Quanon crap.

Controversy has created cash for them over the past 4 years. They're the top draw in cable news.
But now you don't have any choice but to drop the MAGA nonsense. Your puppet master is no longer in power.

They were diehard in not calling Biden the President-Elect to appease Trump and kept spreading his misinformation.

Without the source of chaos in power, now your message will fall completely flat and the ratings will fall. So you have to get back to actual factual reporting.

[TheStig]

by writing memoirs and giving big money speeches. i don't see trump going down that road to a degree that's going to significantly impact his finances

the clintons are worth an estimated 120 mil. they have accrued that over 20 years. trump owes an estimated 421 million, which he calls "a peanut", but nobody really knows how much he is worth

You do know Trump isn't -421 million. He has assets against those loans that are likely worth more. Perhaps he's not worth 10 billion like he claims but he's certainly a billionaire.

we don't even know for sure that he's a billionaire. celebritynetworth.com estimates him at 2 bil, but we simply don't know. we DO pretty much know that he's a bad businessman who has relied on marketing his name and being a game show host for cash flow. but his name is now tarnished and he's no longer raking in TV money

I don't know about you but when I go to the bank to get a loan for 421 million against my house, they laugh at me. If he has 421 million in loans, he has more than 421 million in assets. He also inherited a lot of money. He's also made a lot of money from the apprentice. And while we don't like him, there are millions upon millions of supporters who worship him. There is talk he'll create his own news network. And if he did, he'd cut well into fox news and be wildly successful.

We don't know what he's worth but it's safe to say it's at least around a billion. So if you have 421 million in loans on performing assets, you're generating a lot of income off of that too. And while they appreciate, you also pay down the loans and gain equity.

The Clintons were broke when they left the white house. Trump is easily the richest president in history.

[MrFortune3]

I'm not saying he will die down and be quiet. I am saying that his base won't have the platform it has in the past. It was bolstered by him being in power and Fox News pandering to him and spreading his false information to inflame the masses.

I guess we'll see how Fox News handles it moving forward. They should cut their losses and go back to just conservative leaning and drop all the MAGA Quanon crap.

TBD.

It wouldn't shock me if Trump goes on an all out political war making things even worse creating further divide. Still way too early to predict what will happen next.

He could, but again, without the power of being President, it won't matter as much. Once he's just a businessman, his rage tweets and agendas won't have near the impact.

[TheStig]

trump could win the nomination in 2024. the problem is that major donors will be far less interested in funding him. and he sure as hell ain't gonna dig deep into his own pockets...assuming he has anything left with all the money he owes and the lawsuits he's gonna be facing

He has raised much more money now than in 2016. Why would they dump him now if he won but not after the last 4 years? Just like the DNC, the RNC is goint to spend on the nominee.

i'm saying he has to GET the nomination, which requires backing. there are few public birther figures that aren't going to turn their backs on him now

He beat out 16 non birthers last time with much less money.

[TheStig]

trump could win the nomination in 2024. the problem is that major donors will be far less interested in funding him. and he sure as hell ain't gonna dig deep into his own pockets...assuming he has anything left with all the money he owes and the lawsuits he's gonna be facing

He has raised much more money now than in 2016. Why would they dump him now if he won but not after the last 4 years? Just like the DNC, the RNC is goint to spend on the nominee.

He raised more and had more votes than in 2016, he got walloped in the electoral college and you pissed off many GOP key players.
The cash infusion he got late this time around isn't likely to happen again.

IF he's the nominee, they'll give him the money. It's just the way this thing works. The GOP key players are irrelevant. He chewed up and spit out the RNC chairman and still got them to give him money this time. It's the big money donors who want their tax cuts that will give him the money. They could care less what else he does other than give them tax cuts and cut regulations.

[TheStig]

History is pretty useful in this scenario.
Biden is a recent VP from a pretty successful administration. His previous failures were lessened by this.
He was never judged at the top position like Trump has been. These previous 4 years and his actions in defeat, will never allow him to launch a successful campaign in 2024.

Trump is the first candidate to lose re-election since 1992, George H.W. Bush lost to Clinton. It has been 28 years since a sitting President has pissed off the nation so badly that they wanted him out before a 2nd term. He even lost a Republican controlled and predominantly Red voting state in Georgia.

I have no doubt that he will remain a fixture in the GOP political arena, he just won't factor into the Presidency race again. Unless, the nation craters and people long for his reign of stupidity again. If Biden has a successful run and handles the office of President with class, Trump will not be able to factor in.
The comparison will be "Look at what happened in those 4 years, look how far we've come now."

He is likely to go down as the worst President in the history in the United States. Your legacy tends to have more definition once you leave office. History will not be kind to him the further away we move from his Presidency.

trump could win the nomination in 2024. the problem is that major donors will be far less interested in funding him. and he sure as hell ain't gonna dig deep into his own pockets...assuming he has anything left with all the money he owes and the lawsuits he's gonna be facing

Luckily for him, Presidents increase their wealth after leaving office. But he's burned too many bridges among donors and the GOP. Even if his base wants him, the people who hate him and had to deal with his demands of loyalty but never showing it in return will never stand for it.

He buried the Senator from Arizona who was nothing but a loyal solider for him and she lost the election and he lost the state.
He went in on Governors who have backed him and called their election processes into question.

People like the McMahon's of the world will back him with funding but they won't be enough to get him back in a position of power.

Nobody cares about the GOP. He literally chewed up and spit out the RNC chair and got even more money. The donors love Trump. He gives them monster tax cuts and cuts regulation. That's all the super rich donors really care about.

[PlayerUp]

In regards to 2024... yes yes, I know it’s early, but it’s a Bulls board (where we talk about next year’s draft before this one’s happened)...

I have a hunch the GOP secures Texas in the polls next time with a Texan 2024 candidate. Not a VP, but a presidential nominee. If that state actually turns blue, the GOP is done for, so I expect they will go back to the drawing boards and think Texas. People have to understand that Texans didn’t like Trump, anybody from NYC — they were just GOP-lifers. And if that happens, they probably get AZ back in one move.

On that note, I also hope the Democrats and pollsters don’t ever predict Texas to lean blue again, until pigs fly and they actually officially call their electoral votes blue. That was an unnecessary dose of optimism going into last Tuesday.

The only way Texas turns blue anytime soon is if republican voters don't turnout. It's not going to happen. Texas like Georgia appears to have many conservative voters who didn't like Trump.

Trump ended up winning the state of Texas by 660k votes. John Cornyn ended up winning his senate seat by 1.1 million votes. That is a huge difference. That 1.1 million vote number is on or around the same amount Trump beat Clinton in 2016. I think moderate leaning conservatives didn't like Trump.

The same happened in Georgia where Trump is expected to lose the state by 20k+ votes but Perdue will win by on or around 100k votes against Ossoff.

Additionally, this isn't the 1st time Texas has been leaning blue. Look at the 90s. Clinton nearly beat Dole in Texas. Now you could argue Perot destroyed the GOP in the 90s but still Clinton came close to flipping Texas blue twice in the 1992 and 1996 elections much closer than Biden did in 2020.

[PlayerUp]

Speculation has flown around for months about Trump's potential next steps, including reports that he may launch a television network or continue to headline the raucous rallies that have drawn supporters by the thousands. Whatever it is, allies said they expect Trump to try to exert influence over a Republican Party he has transformed since launching his first presidential run in 2015.

"He's going to continue to play a significant role in the Republican Party," said Rick Gates, an aide to Trump during his 2016 presidential campaign. “He’ll have that locked up for at least the next few years."

Gates said Trump would likely "seriously consider another run in 2024.”

For now, Trump's aides aren't thinking about post presidency and, instead, are focusing on whether Trump could challenge Biden's win in the courts. Recounts are possible and lawsuits have already been filed in Pennsylvania and other battleground states but experts believe Trump lacks any viable path to prevail.

It's also possible Trump will toy with the idea of running again himself in 2024. Mick Mulvaney, a former chief of staff, predicted a Trump 2024 campaign recently while appearing in a webinar with a Ireland-based think tank.

“I would absolutely expect the president to stay involved in politics and would absolutely put him on the short list of people who are likely to run in 2024,” Mulvaney said.

[MrFortune3]

He has raised much more money now than in 2016. Why would they dump him now if he won but not after the last 4 years? Just like the DNC, the RNC is goint to spend on the nominee.

He raised more and had more votes than in 2016, he got walloped in the electoral college and you pissed off many GOP key players.
The cash infusion he got late this time around isn't likely to happen again.

IF he's the nominee, they'll give him the money. It's just the way this thing works. The GOP key players are irrelevant. He chewed up and spit out the RNC chairman and still got them to give him money this time. It's the big money donors who want their tax cuts that will give him the money. They could care less what else he does other than give them tax cuts and cut regulations.

He won't get the backing to get the nomination. That's what I am trying to say. He burned too many bridges.

[MrFortune3]

trump could win the nomination in 2024. the problem is that major donors will be far less interested in funding him. and he sure as hell ain't gonna dig deep into his own pockets...assuming he has anything left with all the money he owes and the lawsuits he's gonna be facing

Luckily for him, Presidents increase their wealth after leaving office. But he's burned too many bridges among donors and the GOP. Even if his base wants him, the people who hate him and had to deal with his demands of loyalty but never showing it in return will never stand for it.

He buried the Senator from Arizona who was nothing but a loyal solider for him and she lost the election and he lost the state.
He went in on Governors who have backed him and called their election processes into question.

People like the McMahon's of the world will back him with funding but they won't be enough to get him back in a position of power.

Nobody cares about the GOP. He literally chewed up and spit out the RNC chair and got even more money. The donors love Trump. He gives them monster tax cuts and cuts regulation. That's all the super rich donors really care about.

It won't matter, if the country moves on and does well. He'll never sniff the nomination.

[dougthonus]

He won't get the backing to get the nomination. That's what I am trying to say. He burned too many bridges.

The interesting thing about Trump is he's so crazy that he could just run as an independent, and unlike anyone else, he might just not back down. The Republicans might be locked into having Trump split the party in 2 or backing him as their candidate if Trump does his own thing, and there's rally little reason from what we've seen to think that he won't just do his own thing. He can absolutely afford to run without the help of the Republican machine too.

I'd be curious as to what the Republicans would do if they don't nominate him and he just goes full on independent.