NBA Trade Thread #11

[TheSuzerain]

Lavine to Miami, Butler to Team X, expirings to Bulls

Is this possible somehow?

[Infinity2152]

Lavine to Miami, Butler to Team X, expirings to Bulls

Is this possible somehow?

This has us getting nothing back for Zach except expirings. Would rather keep Zach, and I think the front office does too,

[TheSuzerain]

Lavine to Miami, Butler to Team X, expirings to Bulls

Is this possible somehow?

This has us getting nothing back for Zach except expirings. Would rather keep Zach, and I think the front office does too,

I'd take the out on the contract.

And it theoretically gets us a high lotto pick in this draft.

[Infinity2152]

Lavine to Miami, Butler to Team X, expirings to Bulls

Is this possible somehow?

This has us getting nothing back for Zach except expirings. Would rather keep Zach, and I think the front office does too,

I'd take the out on the contract.

And it theoretically gets us a high lotto pick in this draft.

I was trying to think of a few scenarios, but I got stuck on, why would the Heat want Lavine when they have Herro? Herro's not as good, but they're way too similar to spend $70 mill to pair together. Maybe Vuc and Pat or Vuc and Ball's contract might be of interest to the Heat.

[Chi town]

Per Stein WT…

Vuc will be traded by the deadline.
So will Lonzo.
Zach doesn’t have any interest due to contract.

Will Vuc and Zo be enough for us to keep our pick???

Maybe if Sanogo is our C for 20mpg and the starter every week when Sticks Jalen Smith misses games we suck enough to lose.

[Infinity2152]

How about this:
Bulls get: Bradley Beal, Kel el ware, Phoenix 2026 second, Phoenix 2031 second
Heat get Ball, Vucevic, Carter, Pheonix 2031 first
Suns Get Butler, Craig

Bulls take on equivalent bad contract to Lavine, but get Ware, which is equivalent to a first round pick and a second, get off Carter
Heat get a 20/10 center, $20 mill expiring, and Carter could be worth his contract on the Heat plus a first and a second
Suns get Butler, nuff said.

Sent the first to the Heat since we get Ware, but Id go for the first and Heat can have both seconds

Only problem is, now we have TWO expensive players to trade, but Ware plus picks for what we're sending out is not bad. We did save quite bit of money swapping Vuc for Ware amd getting off Carter's 6 mill.

[Muzbar]

How about this:
Bulls get: Bradley Beal, Kel el ware, Phoenix 2026 second
Heat get Ball, Vucevic, Carter, Pheonix 2031 first, Phoenix 2031 second
Suns Get Butler, Craig

Bulls take on equivalent bad contract to Lavine, but get Ware, which is equivalent to a first round pick and a second
Heat get a 20/10 center, $20 mill expiring, and Carter could be worth his contract on the Heat plus a first and a second
Suns get Butler, nuff said.

Sent the first to the Heat since we get Ware, but Id go for the first and Heat can have both seconds

Wait. So the Bulls then have both Beal and LaVine on horrendous deals?

Hard pass.

I am high on Kel'el Ware though and would love to somehow get him.

I don't think Miami bites on this trade either.

[Infinity2152]

How about this:
Bulls get: Bradley Beal, Kel el ware, Phoenix 2026 second
Heat get Ball, Vucevic, Carter, Pheonix 2031 first, Phoenix 2031 second
Suns Get Butler, Craig

Bulls take on equivalent bad contract to Lavine, but get Ware, which is equivalent to a first round pick and a second
Heat get a 20/10 center, $20 mill expiring, and Carter could be worth his contract on the Heat plus a first and a second
Suns get Butler, nuff said.

Sent the first to the Heat since we get Ware, but Id go for the first and Heat can have both seconds

Wait. So the Bulls then have both Beal and LaVine on horrendous deals?

Hard pass.

I am high on Kel'el Ware though and would love to somehow get him.

I don't think Miami bites on this trade either.

Yeah, I'd hate the thought of finding a taker for Beal, not worried about Lavine. Miami's actually getting a lot for a player they suspended. They don't have a lot of time, and I doubt a lot of suitors. I'm considering Vuc's value where I think the league puts him, not his value in this forum, lol. I do think Carter could be productive on another team, he was a good player before. Jimmy is 35, looking for a max contract, what can the Heat reasonably expect on a deadline? Think Beal has a no trade clause, making him even harder to trade.

More of a mental exercise. Changed it to where we get the first, I do not want Beal. Don't know if anybody does. Maybe then you trade Zach for MPJ, get a Denver 1st to add to the Phoenix first.

[sco]

Per Stein WT…

Vuc will be traded by the deadline.
So will Lonzo.
Zach doesn’t have any interest due to contract.

Will Vuc and Zo be enough for us to keep our pick???

Maybe if Sanogo is our C for 20mpg and the starter every week when Sticks Jalen Smith misses games we suck enough to lose.

Interesting on Ball and Zach. I go back and forth on keeping Zach vs. dumping him in a pure salary dump. I guess it depends on the FO picking a lane. We certainly have a tank lane open to us we get rid of both Vuc and Zach. The "win now" lane will be elusive if we trade Vuc.

Trading Ball certainly supports the tank lane. He has probably contributed to 1/3 of our wins. That said, how much are we going to get for him? A 2nd? For that price, I'd much rather try to resign the guy for cheap and risk losing him for nothing. He's at least shown he's healed up, and if he doesn't have any related leg issues this season, he will have shown enough durability to resign for $8M or so for a couple years.

[Infinity2152]

Per Stein WT…

Vuc will be traded by the deadline.
So will Lonzo.
Zach doesn’t have any interest due to contract.

Will Vuc and Zo be enough for us to keep our pick???

Maybe if Sanogo is our C for 20mpg and the starter every week when Sticks Jalen Smith misses games we suck enough to lose.

Interesting on Ball and Zach. I go back and forth on keeping Zach vs. dumping him in a pure salary dump. I guess it depends on the FO picking a lane. We certainly have a tank lane open to us we get rid of both Vuc and Zach. The "win now" lane will be elusive if we trade Vuc.

Trading Ball certainly supports the tank lane. He has probably contributed to 1/3 of our wins. That said, how much are we going to get for him? A 2nd? For that price, I'd much rather try to resign the guy for cheap and risk losing him for nothing. He's at least shown he's healed up, and if he doesn't have any related leg issues this season, he will have shown enough durability to resign for $8M or so for a couple years.

This times 1000. Whatever marginal reward we get for trading Balls contract could be worth FAR less than a cheap Ball this summer. The guy is a damn unicorn, very few players like him in the entire league. Does pretty much everything well with a high BBall IQ. Totally worth the risk on a low contract. Ball, Ayo and Matas are the last three I would trade, and that's for win now or rebuilding.

[ChettheJet]

I can see the Bulls finding a trading partner for Vucevic, yeah the no defense shouts are constantly echoing in my ears, he provides scoring and having one more year means it's not a one shot win or crash gamble for his new team. They probably have others signed for at least another year to make run #2. and if they implode he's a fair sized expiring contract

Just like Caruso last year at the deadline, he had the friendly contract but as some of up predicted, nobody was going to give up even one pick to get him for 40 games and have him become a FA. So the same applies to Lonzo, he looks great, healthy, strong got most of his game back. Who wants to spend value to get him for 40 games? $21M isn't easy to match, does somebody have picks to get the Bulls to take a couple of guys they really don't want around for next year?

Lavine is going to look better to teams when they have an injury to a scorer and see themselves dropping from a #4 or 5 seed to #7 or 8 and they think they need scoring. Just like Lonzo, the Bulls aren't going to just take the lousy salaries attached to useless players to get Zach on a plane, they want something that helps them too.

[Chi town]

Per Stein WT…

Vuc will be traded by the deadline.
So will Lonzo.
Zach doesn’t have any interest due to contract.

Will Vuc and Zo be enough for us to keep our pick???

Maybe if Sanogo is our C for 20mpg and the starter every week when Sticks Jalen Smith misses games we suck enough to lose.

Interesting on Ball and Zach. I go back and forth on keeping Zach vs. dumping him in a pure salary dump. I guess it depends on the FO picking a lane. We certainly have a tank lane open to us we get rid of both Vuc and Zach. The "win now" lane will be elusive if we trade Vuc.

Trading Ball certainly supports the tank lane. He has probably contributed to 1/3 of our wins. That said, how much are we going to get for him? A 2nd? For that price, I'd much rather try to resign the guy for cheap and risk losing him for nothing. He's at least shown he's healed up, and if he doesn't have any related leg issues this season, he will have shown enough durability to resign for $8M or so for a couple years.

This times 1000. Whatever marginal reward we get for trading Balls contract could be worth FAR less than a cheap Ball this summer. The guy is a damn unicorn, very few players like him in the entire league. Does pretty much everything well with a high BBall IQ. Totally worth the risk on a low contract. Ball, Ayo and Matas are the last three I would trade, and that's for win now or rebuilding.

We will lose our pick if we only trade Vuc. Zach doesn’t have any takers yet.

I like the idea of keeping Zo and Zach and somehow keeping our pick and being competitive next season with another high ceiling talent.

[Infinity2152]

If Vuc goes and we don't get a decent center back, this team tanks hard. His durability has been crazy and has masked how important to him. Smith is not ready to play 30 plus minutes and if they thought Sanogo was good, they wouldn't have signed Smith. Defense might get better, we lose 20 pts a night on good shooting plus 11 rebounds. Lavine and White would account for 70% of the scoring and White's streaky. We have no decent size on this team outside Vuc and Smith.

[Infinity2152]

If Vuc goes and we don't get a decent center back, this team tanks hard. His durability has been crazy and has masked how important he is. Smith is not ready to play 30 plus minutes and if they thought Sanogo was good, they wouldn't have signed Smith. Defense might get better, we lose 20 pts a night on good shooting plus 10 rebounds. Lavine and White would account for 70% of the scoring and White's streaky. We have no decent size on this team outside Vuc and Smith. Lot of teams now are starting two legit bigs, we're only starting one as is.

Pat Williams and Matas will end up playing center minutes.

[Guru]

There is a going to be a bidding war for Vuc between the Lakers and Warriors and its going to be very soon

[MrSparkle]

I’m not entirely convinced we get any worse by dumping Vuc. Speedy midget ball with 60 3PAs a game is going to win at around a 35-50% rate.. and there are 8 full-on tank jobs with more coming (possibly Miami). The Bulls would be late, and if anything , prob win more games against mediocre teams by getting the pace and defensive foot speed up. They’ll still be bad, but not 5-40 bad… which would be required to drop to bottom-7 standings.

Despite the press, I don’t think Vuc is commanding “more interest” than Jimmy. Jimmy is just a big contract who needs big chips, but someone will pay up for this guy’s playoff services. Are you kidding me? He willed the underdog Heat to a finals appearance just 18 months ago.

Pelicans will have a fire sale: CJ, Zion, Ingram on the table. Jimmy. Cam/Claxton. More guys will join the trade market.

Buyers: maybe NYK, maybe Detroit (Jaden), GSW… maybe LAL/MIL/PHX/LAC/DAL/DEN with their complete lack of assets. OKC/HOU have already good teams and assets, but too young imo to make some “final piece” overpays for non superstar players. I suppose a Durant acquisition would really put OKC over the top, but Ishiba is going to want the world to make up for his overpay. TBF, Thunder can do it without making a big dent in their chest.

I could see ATL selling Bogdanovic. There should be movement… it’s just… all the old contenders have no picks to trade. BOS and OKC are kinda too good to bother doing anything… along with MEM, HOU, ORL.

I dunno where Vuc goes, but personally I see asset rich teams saving their pies for Jimmy, Durant, Booker, Zion, and whoever else enters the trade portal. How nice would it be to have Zion as your 4th option or 6th man? OKC, HOU and BOS should inquire.

I feel like the league kind of knows that BOS and OKC are too stacked to challenge. If a B contender makes a big splash, OKC can up them with a ridiculous follow-up move with their 15 FRPs. Really think they should consider bringing KD back. Shai-Durant-Chet and that supporting cast would dominate. They’d have enough seconds to add Vuc to the bench.

[Infinity2152]

There is a going to be a bidding war for Vuc between the Lakers and Warriors and its going to be very soon

It's actually crazy how lax some of these teams seem. Maybe the Bulls are asking for more than we realize or have turned down offers. Zach to Denver for MPJ seems like a no brainer for Denver, like they should have been dead on it for months. Vuc to the Warriors or Lakers for his expected asking price seems a no brainer. I think when teams see you put everybody on the block, they really try to lowball you, and AK ain't having it. Good for him.

[sco]

There is a going to be a bidding war for Vuc between the Lakers and Warriors and its going to be very soon

It's actually crazy how lax some of these teams seem. Maybe the Bulls are asking for more than we realize or have turned down offers. Zach to Denver for MPJ seems like a no brainer for Denver, like they should have been dead on it for months. Vuc to the Warriors or Lakers for his expected asking price seems a no brainer. I think when teams see you put everybody on the block, they really try to lowball you, and AK ain't having it. Good for him.

I will be thrilled if Vuc brings back a legit young prospect or a FRP of any kind, but think it will just be expirings and 2nds. So, just different flavors of nothing.

[Infinity2152]

There is a going to be a bidding war for Vuc between the Lakers and Warriors and its going to be very soon

It's actually crazy how lax some of these teams seem. Maybe the Bulls are asking for more than we realize or have turned down offers. Zach to Denver for MPJ seems like a no brainer for Denver, like they should have been dead on it for months. Vuc to the Warriors or Lakers for his expected asking price seems a no brainer. I think when teams see you put everybody on the block, they really try to lowball you, and AK ain't having it. Good for him.

I will be thrilled if Vuc brings back a legit young prospect or a FRP of any kind, but think it will just be expirings and 2nds. So, just different flavors of nothing.

Honestly, given where the Warriors and Lakers are right now, and the fact that they have aging elite stars, Vuc should be worth that young prospect or FRP. They're both way closer to a ring now than they will be in two years. Neither team is looking at high picks as long as Lebron and Steph are there, anyway. Both those teams have near perfect Vuc complements at PF with AD, Lebron, and Draymond. Think the Lakers could use him more. Lessen Lebron's scoring and rebounding burden, give him another shooter and high volume scorer, might invigorate him. A 3 big man rotation of Vuc, Davis and Lebron is nasty, with option to play Bron at SF any time you want. You could lower Lebron, AD's and Vuc's minutes and they could coast to the playoffs.

What would it be worth to the Lakers to have a legit shot at the championship the next two years? They're rumored to be willing to move up to 3 first round picks. Hypothetical trade:
Rui, Vincent, JHS Lakers first to the Bulls, Vucevic, Craig, Carter to the Lakers. I know, I know, hear me out. They already got Finney Smith. Move Lebron to PG. Let DFS guard the PG.

Starters: Lebron, Reaves, DFS, Davis, Vucevic
Bench: Carter/Shake Milton, Christie, Craig, Knect, Vanderbilt, Woods

Carter and Craig add two veteran shooters and defenders, Vuc adds scoring, shooting, rebounding and lowers Lebron's and AD's minutes. They could all go down to 30-32 minutes and still be good. That could be a damn good bench, too. Lot of insurance if they lose a center. They still need a secondary playmaker, but you can't fix every problem. DFS and AD are far above average defenders, they're great. That makes up some for Vuc and Reaves.

[MrSparkle]

Lakers and Warriors would be brain dead to give up a FRP for Vuc. Putting him on a roster with aging/liability on-ball defenders (Curry, Lebron, Reaves) is a recipe for disaster. Trading the FRP really ruins their already limited flexibility. I’d see them draw the line at a swap (maybe 2, if lucky).

If Lonzo is sent in the package too, then it makes more sense. But we’d have to take back $40M.

Gambling a FRP on Jimmy would be far more worthwhile for them. I almost think that Jalen Smith could actually net the late FRP that Vuc could not. Younger, cheaper, more athletic, 3P range.

I think we get a pair of 2nds, 1-2 pick swaps (kinda pointless until 2028 tbh, we’ll be worse indefinitely) and filler salary if Warriors do a deal (Moody/Kyle). Lakers would send Vanderbilt/Vincent.