Melo #13: Believe in Joakim Noah & Crew

[ingvald]

still boggles my mind why Knicks fans would even want Phil to pay him the super max

it's like they don't want to lose in the short term, win in the long term

they'd rather win in the short term and lose out in the long

Ok, I'm half joking so not sure the font color-

S&T to Bulls, Knicks hoard assets, Melo signs a 3 year opt out and goes back to New York after the rebuild is complete.

[RememberLu]

Phil Jackson said in an interview last week that if it takes the Max to get Melo to re-sign then he would give it because with the new TV contract it wont be as high as it looks now.

Master negotiator.

You understand that if the reports are true about Wade taking $12 mil and Bosh taking $10 mil, that Carmelo can sign outright with Miami for almost the same money as Chicago could give right?
Even if Lebron takes $20 mil, Carmelo can sign for about $17-$18 mil.

but those reports aren't true

[LobosJordan]

I will laugh if the Knicks give him the max.

That's one less team to worry about while we get better.

[DuckIII]

still boggles my mind why Knicks fans would even want Phil to pay him the super max

it's like they don't want to lose in the short term, win in the long term

they'd rather win in the short term and lose out in the long

1. If I were a Knicks fan, I'd want Melo to take a pretty heavy discount. I'd want Phil to reboot the team. They are finally at a place where they can do that. But then again, I'm not what you'd call Anthony's biggest fan. I don't believe in him as a franchise cornerstone you can build around. Its a little different in Chicago because of the moves we made, and the existing cast that seems to fit him well. But I'd never build a team around Carmelo Anthony as the starting point.

2. That said, won't they still have a buttload of capspace next year even if they do max him out? If you believe Melo is better than I believe he is, its not exactly a terrible plan.

[ingvald]

Master negotiator.

You understand that if the reports are true about Wade taking $12 mil and Bosh taking $10 mil, that Carmelo can sign outright with Miami for almost the same money as Chicago could give right?
Even if Lebron takes $20 mil, Carmelo can sign for about $17-$18 mil.

but those reports aren't true

Right- those reports are BS. But even if they were true, why wouldn't he just sign outright with the Bulls at $15M?

[RememberLu]

still boggles my mind why Knicks fans would even want Phil to pay him the super max

it's like they don't want to lose in the short term, win in the long term

they'd rather win in the short term and lose out in the long

1. If I were a Knicks fan, I'd want Melo to take a pretty heavy discount. I'd want Phil to reboot the team. They are finally at a place where they can do that. But then again, I'm not what you'd call Anthony's biggest fan. I don't believe in him as a franchise cornerstone you can build around. Its a little different in Chicago because of the moves we made, and the existing cast that seems to fit him well. But I'd never build a team around Carmelo Anthony as the starting point.

2. That said, won't they still have a buttload of capspace next year even if they do max him out? If you believe Melo is better than I believe he is, its not exactly a terrible plan.

I mean look how much we're regretting Derrick Rose's supermax right now. It looked like a no brainer at the time.

To ink a 30 year old Melo to a 5 year $126 million contract is guaranteed overpay to me, he'll never live up to that contract

[DuckIII]

You understand that if the reports are true about Wade taking $12 mil and Bosh taking $10 mil, that Carmelo can sign outright with Miami for almost the same money as Chicago could give right?
Even if Lebron takes $20 mil, Carmelo can sign for about $17-$18 mil.

Those reports have been denied by those players' agent, and then Broussard reported that they were looking for numbers more in the $15 mil per. Who knows?

But assuming the reports are true and those guys sign for that, my understanding was that it only freed up $12 million for free agency.

And lastly, I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the Knicks offering Melo the max.

[punkmodafunk]

I'm pretty sure we won't give up on Jimmy unless it's the last option. I think Mirotic and McDermotts are the guys on the talks

I don't see McDermott on the table. Unless all the post-draft chatter about Thibs loving him from Team USA as the primary reason they moved up to get him. It could be posturing, maybe they made the pick for New York.

I don't know.

But it was reported that if Melo comes to Chicago, he wants Taj on the team. Jimmy didn't have to be in the meeting but nobody is talking about him. Pretty sure Pax talked about Taj being part of the core but didn't mention Butler. (anyone verify?)

I'm just saying that he won't be cheap after next year and if they get Melo, they'll lose him. He's an attractive piece to Phil that makes a S&T work. It may not happen but it seems too obvious to me.

Let me be clear- I LOVE JIMMY. I'm just trying to look at this without emotion.

I know what you are saying and it makes sense. Jimmy's contract is a totall steal and everybody knows it. Next year he'll get easily at least 40M$/4y and he'll sign the biggest contract of his career.

I think not mentioning him reveals our FO's knowladge of his value and that he might be the piece we have to sacrifice to get Melo. But there is the other possibility, we might have picked McDermott to the NYK

Or Maybe Phil wants Jimmy and reach Love/Aldridge next year...

I was just saying before that not having Jimmy on the talks doesn't mean he's not part of the plan but we might have to let him go so Phil accepts Boozer's contract.

[RememberLu]

I will laugh if the Knicks give him the max.

That's one less team to worry about while we get better.

were you really going to worry about the Knicks regardless?

[otwok]

I would be more worried about Dallas than Houston. If Melo goes to Houston, more power to him. A team of Harden/Howard/Melo is a disaster waiting to happen. Unless they get proper coaching that team would fail. By the time they get a good coach Melo would be 32-33 years old.

[thejet1711]

Other than Windhorst has anyone else reported the Knicks will offer the max? I find it strange Knick fans keep thinking Carmelo won't turn down the max when chances are that hasn't been put on the table. Surely the Knicks would be leaking to every media outlet known to man they fully intend to give Carmelo the full max but Windhorst mentioned it so casually and no one has followed up on it.

Phil Jackson said in an interview last week that if it takes the Max to get Melo to re-sign then he would give it because with the new TV contract it wont be as high as it looks now.

As if a TV deal extends a team's cap space..this isn't MLB.

[ikeziskash]

Has anyone done a comparison of Chicago taxes vs. NY Taxes?

[LobosJordan]

I will laugh if the Knicks give him the max.

That's one less team to worry about while we get better.

were you really going to worry about the Knicks regardless?

Nah

[Rerisen]

still boggles my mind why Knicks fans would even want Phil to pay him the super max

it's like they don't want to lose in the short term, win in the long term

they'd rather win in the short term and lose out in the long

1. If I were a Knicks fan, I'd want Melo to take a pretty heavy discount. I'd want Phil to reboot the team. They are finally at a place where they can do that. But then again, I'm not what you'd call Anthony's biggest fan. I don't believe in him as a franchise cornerstone you can build around. Its a little different in Chicago because of the moves we made, and the existing cast that seems to fit him well. But I'd never build a team around Carmelo Anthony as the starting point.

2. That said, won't they still have a buttload of capspace next year even if they do max him out?

To that point:

If the Knicks gave Anthony a maximum contract, he'd be owed $25.3 million for the 2015-16 season. The roster could change, but here's where the Knicks would stand based on current contracts for the summer of 2015:

Anthony $25.3 million
Jose Calderon $7.4 million
J.R. Smith (likely opt-in) $6.4 million
Pablo Prigioni $1.7 million
Tim Hardaway Jr. $1.3 million
1st-round draft pick and six minimum salaries: $5 million

Total = $47.1 million; Projected cap space: About $18 million.

Enter the Bulls with this sign-and-trade scenario. They send Carlos Boozer, Mike Dunleavy, Tony Snell and the nonguaranteed contracts of Ronnie Brewer, Mike James and Lou Amundson to New York for Anthony and Smith. In a separate deal, the Bulls could trade Anthony Randolph for Prigioni. Throw in a future first-round pick if it helps. Boozer, Dunleavy, Randolph and Snell are under contract for one more season, which leaves the Knicks with this group on the books:

Calderon $7.4 million

Hardaway $1.3 million

1st-round draft pick and nine minimum salaries: $4.8 million

Total = $13.5 million. Projected cap space: More than $50 million in a summer when the free agent list could include Kevin Durant, Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap, among others. The Knicks also get to keep their own first-rounder in 2015. Which is a better scenario for Phil Jackson? -Daily Herald

[otwok]

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A limo and three black SUVs just drove down LaBranch. Carmelo and company have arrived and the sales pitch has begun.
8:57 AM - 2 Jul 2014 Houston, TX, United States
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[thejet1711]

Has anyone done a comparison of Chicago taxes vs. NY Taxes?

http://www.chicagonow.com/dewonked/2014 ... ome-taxes/

Per this article, Chicago would tax him less..never thought I'd hear "Chicago" "tax" and "less" in the same sentence, but there we have it.

[ikeziskash]

Has anyone done a comparison of Chicago taxes vs. NY Taxes?

http://www.chicagonow.com/dewonked/2014 ... ome-taxes/

Per this article, Chicago would tax him less..never thought I'd hear "Chicago" "tax" and "less" in the same sentence, but there we have it.

That is sad. Thanks.

[Proven_Winner]

Slim Thug needs to go get a life. Nobody even talks about freaking Houston. He makes it sound like Houston is like a clean place or something.

Don't want your kids living in Chiraq- Well we've had multiple successful people and our like the 2nd or 3rd biggest city. The biggest person I've heard from Houston Beyonce.

It's cold- Well it's hot as hell in Houston and Melo's from NY he don't care about the cold.

We got a big mall- Well guess what we do to and we have multiple ones plus navy pier plus the Sear Tower.

This guy is a straight up joke.

[punkmodafunk]

@Rerisen: That makes too much sense for the Knicks too.

13M$ and that cartel of free-agents for a team like the Knicks are absurd.

[LobosJordan]

Hasn't gun violence been like decreasing dramatically over the past few years in Chicago?