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nomorezorro wrote:i think the clock management at the end of the second was to prevent the packers from getting the ball back before the half
nomorezorro wrote:they succeeded over the past three seasons largely on the strength of their defense, a unit that is no longer impressive. they were buoyed this season by incredible luck and a soft schedule (they beat one team with a winning record! they only made the playoffs because the playoffs got expanded by a slot and the nfc was unusually weak!)
pace doesn't have to be terrible at everything to merit replacing. he's been bad at some big things, one of which is finding a qb. the bears still need to find a qb. i don't know why you would trust ryan pace to get that done
WookieOnRitalin wrote:Game 1. It's where the series is truly 0-0.
Susan wrote:nomorezorro wrote:they succeeded over the past three seasons largely on the strength of their defense, a unit that is no longer impressive. they were buoyed this season by incredible luck and a soft schedule (they beat one team with a winning record! they only made the playoffs because the playoffs got expanded by a slot and the nfc was unusually weak!)
pace doesn't have to be terrible at everything to merit replacing. he's been bad at some big things, one of which is finding a qb. the bears still need to find a qb. i don't know why you would trust ryan pace to get that done
Who built that defense?
You trust Pace because it's an extremely difficult task and despite Trubisky's mediocrity, the Bears have been able to make the playoffs 2/3 years and they're not tied to him long-term. There's going to be a TON of options this offseason, both with rookie QBs (most of of them are going to be busts) and older established QBs will be on the market (Stafford, Ryan, Jimmy G).
Name me a GM that's been *good* at finding a QB. You can't, because it's a freaking mess. You have to manage that mess (unless you get lucky and land one) and find a way to make the playoffs.
WookieOnRitalin wrote:Game 1. It's where the series is truly 0-0.
WookieOnRitalin wrote:Game 1. It's where the series is truly 0-0.
fleet wrote:The way it ends up imo is that there's a good chance that backing into the playoffs was enough for Pace to keep his job by McCaskey standards. They never wanted to let him go until the city shouting in unison made it almost a mandate after the losing streak. They were looking for this excuse. And the old lady likes him, so that's about it. And don't tell me she won't have a say. She won't have to have official input.
nomorezorro wrote:also i don't know why the john fox years shouldn't be factored into the evaluation of pace? even if pace didn't have full decision making on the coaching hire, the team still stunk
Kurt Heimlich wrote:Susan wrote:nomorezorro wrote:they succeeded over the past three seasons largely on the strength of their defense, a unit that is no longer impressive. they were buoyed this season by incredible luck and a soft schedule (they beat one team with a winning record! they only made the playoffs because the playoffs got expanded by a slot and the nfc was unusually weak!)
pace doesn't have to be terrible at everything to merit replacing. he's been bad at some big things, one of which is finding a qb. the bears still need to find a qb. i don't know why you would trust ryan pace to get that done
Who built that defense?
You trust Pace because it's an extremely difficult task and despite Trubisky's mediocrity, the Bears have been able to make the playoffs 2/3 years and they're not tied to him long-term. There's going to be a TON of options this offseason, both with rookie QBs (most of of them are going to be busts) and older established QBs will be on the market (Stafford, Ryan, Jimmy G).
Name me a GM that's been *good* at finding a QB. You can't, because it's a freaking mess. You have to manage that mess (unless you get lucky and land one) and find a way to make the playoffs.
Andy Reid and Bill freaking Obrien both traded up to get "their" QB in 2017 just like Pace did. It depends on how you want to frame it I suppose. But Pace absolutely botched his moment. And he needs to be held accountable. (let alone discussing the Kevin White, Leonard Floyd Adam Shaheen type brutal picks in his debacle tenure as GM).
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Susan wrote:If Mahomes and Watson were so obvious, they would have been drafted by either the NIners (who needed a QB at the time), the Jets (who had Bryce Petty/Josh McKown), the Bengals (who had an aging Andy Dalton and drafted John Ross instead). If Rodgers were so obvious, he wouldn't have been picked in the 20s with Alex Smith picked 1st overall.
It's not just the QB - it's the situation that you're bringing them up in.
Greg Roman knows how to scheme for a running QB and they've got the horses to run a run heavy offense along with a certifiable deep threat in Hollywod Brown + Mark Andrews. Without all that, Lamar would struggle.
Mahomes has a great offensive mind along bringing him along with some freakish weapons in Hill + Kelce.
Watson had the best WR in football to start.
Darnold had zero weapons and a moron head coach and now he's about to be thrown to the trash heap.
Rosen and Haskins got let go how quickly again?
Goff and Wentz have MASSIVE contracts and are not in that superstar tier, they're going to be anchors bringing their franchises down for a minute.
Mariota and Winston are perfect examples why it's OK to miss on an early QB, you just don't let yourself fall in love with those flawed players and do the painful thing and let them walk. Now those franchises are in the playoffs with vet QBs and the QBs who got drafted are backups.
bullsnewdynasty wrote:Susan wrote:If Mahomes and Watson were so obvious, they would have been drafted by either the NIners (who needed a QB at the time), the Jets (who had Bryce Petty/Josh McKown), the Bengals (who had an aging Andy Dalton and drafted John Ross instead). If Rodgers were so obvious, he wouldn't have been picked in the 20s with Alex Smith picked 1st overall.
It's not just the QB - it's the situation that you're bringing them up in.
Greg Roman knows how to scheme for a running QB and they've got the horses to run a run heavy offense along with a certifiable deep threat in Hollywod Brown + Mark Andrews. Without all that, Lamar would struggle.
Mahomes has a great offensive mind along bringing him along with some freakish weapons in Hill + Kelce.
Watson had the best WR in football to start.
Darnold had zero weapons and a moron head coach and now he's about to be thrown to the trash heap.
Rosen and Haskins got let go how quickly again?
Goff and Wentz have MASSIVE contracts and are not in that superstar tier, they're going to be anchors bringing their franchises down for a minute.
Mariota and Winston are perfect examples why it's OK to miss on an early QB, you just don't let yourself fall in love with those flawed players and do the painful thing and let them walk. Now those franchises are in the playoffs with vet QBs and the QBs who got drafted are backups.
Trubisky has plenty of weapons, far more than most of the QBs on your list including Watson who led the league in passing.
Turning the ball over and making poor decisions also has very little to do with the weapons you have. Hence why Haskins is out of the NFL and Darnold will be a backup very soon.