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MrSparkle wrote:DuckIII wrote:MrSparkle wrote:I think the fanbase will be fairly impatient with him.
You do? Interesting. I’ve found this board to be remarkably patient with young players and understanding of the complexity of development timelines and the myriad internal and external factors impacting that.
Ok, correction. Me.
TheSuzerain wrote:I'd ease him in a bit. Off the bench. Rotation minutes.
Red8911 wrote:TheSuzerain wrote:I'd ease him in a bit. Off the bench. Rotation minutes.
Matas is ready to rock and roll ! Might come off the bench with rotation minutes in the beginning but I see him becoming a starter fairly quickly. He’s a baller and is going to help this team from day 1.
CROBulls wrote:A lot of pep talk from Sam Smith. But there is no way Buz is starting under any circumstance and no way Lavine start at bench. Unless Lavine is somehow traded in offseason.
Seems also Bulls are aware of issue of in shape and conditioning with Buz. Which is good thing so they might have decent plan to prepare him and ease him into a team. I don't doubt he will contribute if he is ready.
Also is it me or Sam Smith just went on his way to confirm Patrick Williams is a 3 and not a 4.
TheSuzerain wrote:Red8911 wrote:TheSuzerain wrote:I'd ease him in a bit. Off the bench. Rotation minutes.
Matas is ready to rock and roll ! Might come off the bench with rotation minutes in the beginning but I see him becoming a starter fairly quickly. He’s a baller and is going to help this team from day 1.
He probably won't help the team. He's 19.
Give him short shifts of minutes and make him focus on execution/little things.
I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunity for spot starts over the course of the season where you loosen the rope a bit.
FriedRise wrote:Ideally he gets 30+mpg and works himself to NBA conditioning, physicality, range, etc. Let the kid make his mistakes while we collect all the Ls we can get. We were able to give that to Lauri and Pat, but I think this team now is just too deep at the forward positions (imagine saying that the last few years). Plus, there'll be no tanking directives from anyone since this is obviously not a tanking roster.
The best we can give Matas is probably the Dalen Terry / Julian Philips spot minutes (around 10-12mpg), and that'll come at a cost of those two not playing. And we kinda need to know what we have with Dalen Terry since he's been mostly with the WCB, so he probably gets more playing time (at least initially anyway).
Coby / Zach / Giddey / Pat / Vooch
Ball / Ayo / Terry or Philips or Buzelis / Craig / Smith
That's if we go 10 deep, but we know that Billy routinely prefers to go 9. So maybe Ball won't play that much, though we still have Carter on the roster.
dougthonus wrote:DuckIII wrote:Weakside rim protector for Vuc.
Will be interesting to see if this materializes. I think there is some potential, but I think his overall defense will be awful, so I'm not sure how much value we'll get out of it.Extremely high speed above the the rim athlete for his size with a highly polished open court and half court handle, who showed nifty passing chops in multiple scenarios, who projects to fit as a 4 with what we assume - and have been told by the FO and Billy - will be a fast paced offense run by Giddey. Unlike the Terry comp - we have no players other than Matas who fit this player profile.
His baskets will largely be opportunistic rather than being forced in to a primary half court isolation role in SL that he is not ready for.
He will of course have man-to-man defensive struggles and will struggle with his shot and possibly his conditioning as well.
Fair, I agree with probably all of that, and that's better than Terry, because he'll be a much better finisher. Terry's a solid ball handler and decent open court player too and also has good passing chops. Terry's a better on ball defender coming out of college and better team defender.
I just don't think the value of that is all that great without having a more mature offensive game. I'm not sure how we'll leverage his good ball handling without him being an actual threat to score, and his lack of shooting is going to make him hard to play in certain lineups if it doesn't improve quickly.
At any rate, I do think he'll be better than Terry as a rookie and didn't mean it as an exact one to one comparison but more of some of the shared weaknesses make it hard to capitalize on the strengths. I just think he needs to show he can score on more than dunks before you're going to get much other than highlight reels, and going up against NBA size is going to look different than summer league. I believe he'll eventually be a defensive plus, but I don't think that will happen until year 3.
I think if his shot comes around, he's got a hell of a ceiling, I just think the floor is pretty low because its hard to capitalize on a lot of his gifts without the shooting.
Dan Z wrote:Matas's FG% in the G League was 44.5(with a 27.3% from three). Its a bigger sample size than the Summer league.
Its not good from three, but okay outside of that.
dougthonus wrote:Dan Z wrote:Matas's FG% in the G League was 44.5(with a 27.3% from three). Its a bigger sample size than the Summer league.
Its not good from three, but okay outside of that.
Would you look at his G-League stats and suggest that they would translate to high performance the next year in the NBA?
I think his G-League performance would suggest the opposite in terms of what he will deliver as a rookie in the NBA. Again, I'm not focused on his rookie season. I like him as a prospect, but in terms of discussion as to what he will do as a rookie, I would not suspect that he'll have a positive impact on the court when playing.
Dez wrote:I agree in a sense but the flip side of the NBA as opposed to Summer League is that while the competition is harder it is more team oriented than guys in Summer League trying to get contracts. I feel that aspect will help him a bit but it will still be an uphill climb his rookie season.
dougthonus wrote:Dan Z wrote:Matas's FG% in the G League was 44.5(with a 27.3% from three). Its a bigger sample size than the Summer league.
Its not good from three, but okay outside of that.
Would you look at his G-League stats and suggest that they would translate to high performance the next year in the NBA?
I think his G-League performance would suggest the opposite in terms of what he will deliver as a rookie in the NBA. Again, I'm not focused on his rookie season. I like him as a prospect, but in terms of discussion as to what he will do as a rookie, I would not suspect that he'll have a positive impact on the court when playing.
Dan Z wrote:No, but I'd say its a better indication as to how he might do than the Summer League.
