NBA Trade Thread #12

[Infinity2152]

Ball and Vucevic would probably fit incredibly well in the Warriors offense. Both are great connective passers and good outside shooters. Having Draymond and Jimmy plus adding Ball's defense more than makes up for Vuc's defensive weaknesses. Gives them another 20 pt scorer to make up for Draymond's lack of scoring in the starting lineup, pus a serious boost in rebounding vs Kuminga's 4. Ball gets that many alone, lol.

Ball gets a ton of minutes when healthy and is easily the best defender between Ball, Steph, Hield.

Ball, Steph, Butler, Draymond, Vucevic is the highest basketball IQ lineup in the league, I think.

Of course, I love Ball, would much rather include Ayo or Carter and pay Kuminga no more than 20-25 mill AAV because that's the best offer the Warriors and Kuminga are going to get

[MrSparkle]

I don’t want Kuminga nor Moody, but hard to deny that Vuc/Lonzo would be a good value gamble for those two, assuming Kuminga’s S&T contract is reasonable. Honestly the Bucks/Lillard situation, the Texas Lotto Flush, has made my Giannis pipe-dream a total impossibility. Don’t care about cap anymore, this team needs to take chances on sub-25yo players and move in an entirely different build direction, besides Matas and Giddey.

Would Kuminga sign 75/3 with a PO in Y3? Moody/Kuminga for Vuc/Lonzo/Carter is a fair trade.

Then I’d ask Orlando to move Cole Anthony, #16, #25 for Coby.

Then you draft nothing but boom/bust prospects: Egor, Carter Bryant, Fleming.

Try to get Giddey to sign 120/4 (with a Y4 PO if need be). If he wants more, just explore the S&T market.

Giddey Anthony
Ayo Huerter Moody
Kuminga Denim Bryant Terry
Matas Phillips PWilly
Collins Smith Fleming

Next task: try to get any late/2nd picks possible for salary dumps (maybe Anthony, Ayo, Huerter, Smith, Moody). If you can, then resign Tre. DNP Pwilly until he shows up in great health/shape/mindset.

[Infinity2152]

Most important thing is what are they planning to do with Coby White to me. That drastically changes our needs and cap space. Coby's our most valuable trade piece that we're willing to let go (no Giddey or Matas). We should not trade Coby for draft picks unless we're SURE we're not in play for a big game player like Desmond Bane, Zion, etc.

We may not be in position to make a Giannis level package, but with all the different cost huge expirings (Ball, Huerter, Collins, Vucevic, Ayo) plus Coby as talent plus our own picks, we're in better position than most teams to make strong package deals.

Basically try to use him to add for sure high level NBA talent to Matas and Giddey now, rather than draft picks that could be useful in the future.

[sco]

Most important thing is what are they planning to do with Coby White to me. That drastically changes our needs and cap space. Coby's our most valuable trade piece that we're willing to let go (no Giddey or Matas). We should not trade Coby for draft picks unless we're SURE we're not in play for a big game player like Desmond Bane, Zion, etc.

We may not be in position to make a Giannis level package, but with all the different cost huge expirings (Ball, Huerter, Collins, Vucevic) plus Coby as talent plus our own picks, we're in better position than most teams to make strong package deals.

Basically try to use him to add for sure high level NBA talent to Matas and Giddey now, rather than draft picks that could be useful in the future.

I think we know what they are planning to do with White. Not trade him this offseason.

Now should they? I agree they should see if they can get a couple 1sts, especially if they draft a guy who fills a similar role.

I fully expect Coby to have a good season next season, but I think that his numbers will be down a bit from his post-Zach levels as teams gameplan for him. As such, I don't think he'll cost as much as some here are speculating.

[Infinity2152]

I think at some point before the trade deadline, the Bulls will have an opportunity for a star trade. Guys like Durant, Beal, even Booker, Giannis, Zion, Ja Morant are in the air, Luka, DeAaron Fox, Zach Lavine, Jimmy Butler just got traded. If we're patient and have valuable trade pieces, we may have several opportunities.

Totally fine with Coby starting the season if the star trade doesn't come before then, but don't think he makes it past the deadline if he hasn't signed that cheap extension.

[MrSparkle]

I think at some point before the trade deadline, the Bulls will have an opportunity for a star trade. Guys like Durant, Beal, even Booker, Giannis, Zion, Ja Morant are in the air, Luka, DeAaron Fox, Zach Lavine, Jimmy Butler just got traded. If we're patient and have valuable trade pieces, we may have several opportunities.

Totally fine with Coby starting the season if the star trade doesn't come before then, but don't think he makes it past the deadline if he hasn't signed that cheap extension.

And then what? Beal, Durant, Booker won less games as a trio than we did. What’s one of those guys going to do with Coby, Giddey, Dalen Terry and 2nd year Matas?

[Andi Obst]

There's no way we're calling Bradley Beal a star in 2025.

[Infinity2152]

Not advocating for those specific guys, jeez!! Just examples of big name players that are available. We've talked about most individually, Desmond Bane would be my top pick of the potentially available players given salary, fit and ability, and I don't care if people call him a star or not. That caliber of player or better is what I'd be looking for in a White trade, an player upgrade rather than picks is all I'm saying.

Derrick White/Devin Vassell is about the lowest level player I'd be looking at in a Coby trade. We will almost certainly have another $30-$40 mill player on this team to start 2026 season. Using Coby in a trade to acquire that player ups the level of that player, vs whatever picks we could get for him, imo.

[kodo]

I don’t want Kuminga nor Moody, but hard to deny that Vuc/Lonzo would be a good value gamble for those two, assuming Kuminga’s S&T contract is reasonable. Honestly the Bucks/Lillard situation, the Texas Lotto Flush, has made my Giannis pipe-dream a total impossibility. Don’t care about cap anymore, this team needs to take chances on sub-25yo players and move in an entirely different build direction, besides Matas and Giddey.

Would Kuminga sign 75/3 with a PO in Y3? Moody/Kuminga for Vuc/Lonzo/Carter is a fair trade.

He turned down GS's $30M per year offer, so assumedly he won't agree to a S&T for $25M.
Maybe things change in the offseason, but IMO his value hasn't gone down because he put up big #s in the playoffs. If anything, it's gone up a bit.

Like Giddey, I don't know who is offering that other than Brooklyn, but to be fair cap space is almost irrelevant to FA these days. Everything is a S&T, even retirement mode Derozan got an unprotected 1st round pick in S&T.

[Dez]

Thinking that Boston would do any form of deal around Derrick White for Coby is hilarious.

[Infinity2152]

Thinking that Boston would do any form of deal around Derrick White for Coby is hilarious.

So assuming Celtics new owners mandate cutting some of that cap, who are they going to move and what are they going to get back? Porzingas? Already expiring. Brown? No. Tatum? No. Holiday? Of course they'll try but 34 with three years left $34 mill AAV, that's going to be a tough move. Only leaves White.

What's the centerpiece for a 30 year old guard who averaged 16, 4.8, 4.5 with 4 more years on his contract at $32 mill AAV. You think they get a Banchero or Wemby or even Amen Thompson as the centerpiece in that trade? Not to mention we'd be throwing a $20 mill expiring player with him. Name some young players that would reasonably be considered much better than Coby, are available and come with an extra $20 mill expiring player at a position of need. And their team is willing to trade them for Derrick White on his current contract.

What's hilarious is that Coby is considered so much lower than White in here, yet the presumption is he'll get paid more than White, lmao!

[Am2626]

I don’t want Kuminga nor Moody, but hard to deny that Vuc/Lonzo would be a good value gamble for those two, assuming Kuminga’s S&T contract is reasonable. Honestly the Bucks/Lillard situation, the Texas Lotto Flush, has made my Giannis pipe-dream a total impossibility. Don’t care about cap anymore, this team needs to take chances on sub-25yo players and move in an entirely different build direction, besides Matas and Giddey.

Would Kuminga sign 75/3 with a PO in Y3? Moody/Kuminga for Vuc/Lonzo/Carter is a fair trade.

He turned down GS's $30M per year offer, so assumedly he won't agree to a S&T for $25M.
Maybe things change in the offseason, but IMO his value hasn't gone down because he put up big #s in the playoffs. If anything, it's gone up a bit.

Like Giddey, I don't know who is offering that other than Brooklyn, but to be fair cap space is almost irrelevant to FA these days. Everything is a S&T, even retirement mode Derozan got an unprotected 1st round pick in S&T.

It’s too bad Stephen Curry got hurt because if he didn’t Kuminga wouldn’t have played and his value would have been lower. I do think the Bulls have to take a swing at someone like him that has a lot of talent and upside. Even if it means putting their money into him and Giddey. I don’t really see what other options they have. Just build a core around Coby, Matas, Kuminga, and Giddey and hope they can try and draft Maluach. That would be a young and athletic starting 5 with a lot of potential.

[Muzbar]

I was big on Kuminga a season or 2 ago, not super big on him at the moment, especially with a big contract incoming. However, this is such an AK move that I fully expect the Bulls to acquire him via S&T for Vucevic (and probably a FRP or 2 ).

If the Bulls still had Patton on board I'd be behind it more, but they don't. So I'm not overly enamoured with bringing him to the team despite the fact that he is immensely talented.

I reckon Kuminga either comes here for Vucevic or he's traded to Brooklyn for Cam Johnson.

[WesPeace]

I wouldnt be surprised if Warriors would be asking for Huerter as well, even Collins, not just maybe Vooch.

I like Kuminga, but I dont want him here for anything over 22M per, with 3rd year as T.O.

But a deal like Kuminga, Moody and 2nd rounder 25' for Vucevic and Ball would be solid for us, then we can flip one of our 2nd rounders with PWill if we want.

[Dez]

Thinking that Boston would do any form of deal around Derrick White for Coby is hilarious.

So assuming Celtics new owners mandate cutting some of that cap, who are they going to move and what are they going to get back? Porzingas? Already expiring. Brown? No. Tatum? No. Holiday? Of course they'll try but 34 with three years left $34 mill AAV, that's going to be a tough move. Only leaves White.

What's the centerpiece for a 30 year old guard who averaged 16, 4.8, 4.5 with 4 more years on his contract at $32 mill AAV. You think they get a Banchero or Wemby or even Amen Thompson as the centerpiece in that trade? Not to mention we'd be throwing a $20 mill expiring player with him. Name some young players that would reasonably be considered much better than Coby, are available and come with an extra $20 mill expiring player at a position of need. And their team is willing to trade them for Derrick White on his current contract.

What's hilarious is that Coby is considered so much lower than White in here, yet the presumption is he'll get paid more than White, lmao!

There will be a market for Jrue Holiday, he's still an excellent piece for a team looking for a combo guard.

Coby is going to benefit from a rising cap and stupid teams, he'll get the same as White (potentially more) and offer nothing outside of streaky scoring compared to the two way ability of Derrick White.

[WindyCityBorn]

Most important thing is what are they planning to do with Coby White to me. That drastically changes our needs and cap space. Coby's our most valuable trade piece that we're willing to let go (no Giddey or Matas). We should not trade Coby for draft picks unless we're SURE we're not in play for a big game player like Desmond Bane, Zion, etc.

We may not be in position to make a Giannis level package, but with all the different cost huge expirings (Ball, Huerter, Collins, Vucevic) plus Coby as talent plus our own picks, we're in better position than most teams to make strong package deals.

Basically try to use him to add for sure high level NBA talent to Matas and Giddey now, rather than draft picks that could be useful in the future.

I think we know what they are planning to do with White. Not trade him this offseason.

Now should they? I agree they should see if they can get a couple 1sts, especially if they draft a guy who fills a similar role.

I fully expect Coby to have a good season next season, but I think that his numbers will be down a bit from his post-Zach levels as teams gameplan for him. As such, I don't think he'll cost as much as some here are speculating.

The problem is just cost. It’s also fit. He is poor defender as same Giddey. He needs to score like a superstar to make that poor defensive backcourt work.

[Roger14]

Just find a way to bring V.J. Edgecombe . Then we have our francise player for the future.

[MalagaBulls]

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[sco]

Most important thing is what are they planning to do with Coby White to me. That drastically changes our needs and cap space. Coby's our most valuable trade piece that we're willing to let go (no Giddey or Matas). We should not trade Coby for draft picks unless we're SURE we're not in play for a big game player like Desmond Bane, Zion, etc.

We may not be in position to make a Giannis level package, but with all the different cost huge expirings (Ball, Huerter, Collins, Vucevic) plus Coby as talent plus our own picks, we're in better position than most teams to make strong package deals.

Basically try to use him to add for sure high level NBA talent to Matas and Giddey now, rather than draft picks that could be useful in the future.

I think we know what they are planning to do with White. Not trade him this offseason.

Now should they? I agree they should see if they can get a couple 1sts, especially if they draft a guy who fills a similar role.

I fully expect Coby to have a good season next season, but I think that his numbers will be down a bit from his post-Zach levels as teams gameplan for him. As such, I don't think he'll cost as much as some here are speculating.

The problem is just cost. It’s also fit. He is poor defender as same Giddey. He needs to score like a superstar to make that poor defensive backcourt work.

Ideally we could replace Coby with a true #1 who isn't a defensive liability. So I don't disagree with you. The reality is that unless we luck into that guy in the draft or someone unexpected comes available via trade (which is why I'd love to get picks for Coby), we may have to make due. I'll be optimistic that, per my prior post, Coby comes at a reasonable cost, but at least we'll have a full season to see if his uptick is real or a mirage (but then we'll lose our trade value).

[ChettheJet]

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For all the LOVE people put on Kuminga, he's still and unproven commodity. If you're going o pay hi twice what you're paying Patrick Williams you better get twice the numbers, not a solid same 9-4 because OH he's going to come on and light it up. I am completely scares off by the sources saying that he got to a point where he was taking his shots because it was his time, he had the ball and was going to get his. We had veterans who went into that mode and they put up 40 points, I'm not seeing and don't want Kuminga to chuck and act like he was going to get hot