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2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2

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Who do you want?

Ball
27
16%
Wiseman
29
18%
Deni
41
25%
Hayes
31
19%
Obi
4
2%
Vassell
14
9%
Okoro
4
2%
Haliburton
7
4%
Onyeka
3
2%
Other
4
2%
 
Total votes: 164

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#761 » by gobullschi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:28 am

Devin Vassell is getting slept on a bit. He checks all the big boxes

- Athletic
- Great shooter
- Great defender
- Size/Length

Devin Vassell = Mikal Bridges 2.0
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#762 » by PaKii94 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:11 am

gobullschi wrote:Devin Vassell is getting slept on a bit. He checks all the big boxes

- Athletic
- Great shooter
- Great defender
- Size/Length

Devin Vassell = Mikal Bridges 2.0


A younger bridges with a better jumper and slightly more offensive talent is a hell of a player
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Post#763 » by drosereturn » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:04 am

PaKii94 wrote:
gobullschi wrote:Devin Vassell is getting slept on a bit. He checks all the big boxes

- Athletic
- Great shooter
- Great defender
- Size/Length

Devin Vassell = Mikal Bridges 2.0


A younger bridges with a better jumper and slightly more offensive talent is a hell of a player


Bridges is a better prospect from a better program tho. I knew he could be a starter who could contribute right away but thought of him as a high floor low ceiling like Hayes who cant score above 15 but still better than garbage men Carter who plays a useless position doing trivial stuff. Whether he can score over 15 is to be determined next season and tell his ceiling. Personally, he already hit his ceiling 90% and will peak at a 13/5 your typical Covington eating 40 minutes for his defense, sf version of pj tucker so to speak.

Vassell seems to have more potential due to athleticism but thats about it. Some players like Lavine never use it to maximize their game and I wonder whether he has high bbiq. He is a medium level project that could be a high end starter but much lower floor than Bridges. To me Vassell is like 9/10 athleticism, 8.5 shooter, and a plus defender. Nothing too crazy or extraordinary but great value for mid to late lottery. If he learns how to use his gifted athleticism like Westbrook did to score 20ppg+ instead of camping at the 3pt line, thats where he begins to shine but thats very unlikely I peg it to 5% chance.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#764 » by Lexluthor » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:05 pm

I don’t understand the love of Mikal Bridges on this board . He is a mediocre player
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#765 » by gobullschi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:13 pm

drosereturn wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:
gobullschi wrote:Devin Vassell is getting slept on a bit. He checks all the big boxes

- Athletic
- Great shooter
- Great defender
- Size/Length

Devin Vassell = Mikal Bridges 2.0


A younger bridges with a better jumper and slightly more offensive talent is a hell of a player


Bridges is a better prospect from a better program tho. I knew he could be a starter who could contribute right away but thought of him as a high floor low ceiling like Hayes who cant score above 15 but still better than garbage men Carter who plays a useless position doing trivial stuff. Whether he can score over 15 is to be determined next season and tell his ceiling. Personally, he already hit his ceiling 90% and will peak at a 13/5 your typical Covington eating 40 minutes for his defense, sf version of pj tucker so to speak.

Vassell seems to have more potential due to athleticism but thats about it. Some players like Lavine never use it to maximize their game and I wonder whether he has high bbiq. He is a medium level project that could be a high end starter but much lower floor than Bridges. To me Vassell is like 9/10 athleticism, 8.5 shooter, and a plus defender. Nothing too crazy or extraordinary but great value for mid to late lottery. If he learns how to use his gifted athleticism like Westbrook did to score 20ppg+ instead of camping at the 3pt line, thats where he begins to shine but thats very unlikely I peg it to 5% chance.


I agree Bridges came from a better program, but Vassell outplayed Bridges in his second year and has much more athleticism. Him and Deni are real close IMO.

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#766 » by Andi Obst » Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:58 pm

Lexluthor wrote:I don’t understand the love of Mikal Bridges on this board . He is a mediocre player


He's an elite wing defender, though. Great help defender too. If you believe that Vassell can reach that level defensively AND be a good shooter on decent volume (which has been Bridges' key problem so far), that's quite an asset to have.
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Post#767 » by wonderboy2 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:08 pm

I would like for the bulls to get a late first round pick. I think Boston have a few first rounders. I would like for them to explore Sato for a late first round pick. I think Boston could use a back up point guard to give Kemba Walker a breather for a few minutes.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#768 » by TheSuzerain » Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:15 pm

Isn't Vassell's wingspan like 6'10"?

It's doubtful he's going to be the wing defender Bridges is with his 7'1" wingspan. Those are freakish dimensions.

Vassell should not be in consideration at 4.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#769 » by Jvaughn » Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:32 pm

wonderboy2 wrote:I would like for the bulls to get a late first round pick. I think Boston have a few first rounders. I would like for them to explore Sato for a late first round pick. I think Boston could use a back up point guard to give Kemba Walker a breather for a few minutes.


Would be nice, but I'm not sure Sato is going to fetch a 1st round pick even in a poor draft.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#770 » by gobullschi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:35 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:Isn't Vassell's wingspan like 6'10"?

It's doubtful he's going to be the wing defender Bridges is with his 7'1" wingspan. Those are freakish dimensions.

Vassell should not be in consideration at 4.


He’s still extremely long and is more athletic than Bridges. With a good combine I could see him jumping up boards. Ideally, the Bulls could trade down for additional assets and still get Vassell.

AK has shown a willingness to move down to acquire multiple picks.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#771 » by Grodoboldo » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:30 pm

Sam Vecenie has a great breakdown of the current Bulls situation today on The Athletic, including the draft:

https://theathletic.com/2052879/2020/09/22/team-specific-big-boards-bulls-nba-draft-options-and-offseason-preview/?source=emp_shared_article

His big board for us: 1-Ball, 2-Trade down, 3-Edwards, 4a/4b-Haliburton/Hayes, 5-Okoro, 6-Deni.

For the 44th pick, he mentions Riller, Nwora, Mays, Quickley and Merrill.

Really worth a read for those who have a subscription.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#772 » by PlayerUp » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:53 pm

Grodoboldo wrote:Sam Vecenie has a great breakdown of the current Bulls situation today on The Athletic, including the draft:

https://theathletic.com/2052879/2020/09/22/team-specific-big-boards-bulls-nba-draft-options-and-offseason-preview/?source=emp_shared_article

His big board for us: 1-Ball, 2-Trade down, 3-Edwards, 4a/4b-Haliburton/Hayes, 5-Okoro, 6-Deni.

For the 44th pick, he mentions Riller, Nwora, Mays, Quickley and Merrill.

Really worth a read for those who have a subscription.


So basically

His big board for us: 1-Ball, 2-Trade down, 3-Edwards, 4a/4b-Haliburton/Hayes. That is his list.

Trade down should be explored if it can be done certainly this draft.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#773 » by PlayerUp » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:55 pm

wonderboy2 wrote:I would like for the bulls to get a late first round pick. I would like for them to explore Sato for a late first round pick.


Sato isn't worth a late 1st Rd Pick. He isn't worth much. Gar/Pax overpaid for him.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#774 » by TheFinishSniper » Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:44 pm

gobullschi wrote:Devin Vassell is getting slept on a bit. He checks all the big boxes

- Athletic
- Great shooter
- Great defender
- Size/Length

Devin Vassell = Mikal Bridges 2.0

Vassel has more potential than Mikal Bridges. Just due how younger he is. If we picking guys based on guys who project to work ass off to get better Vassell is maybe my number 1 on board which makes him exciting project. And possibly ending up really good pick in what's viewed initially weak draft.

But thing with big guards/wing is do they project be playmakers on NBA level. If prospects dont initially project to be that thats is reason why similar guys overall arent mentioned to be picked in top lottery.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#775 » by MrFortune3 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:47 pm

Vassell isn't getting slept on. He's the type of player that usually rises up the board via workouts.
Teams are going to want to see him in a private setting to take him high.

He's a great defensive prospect with potential on the offensive side but no one is taking him top 5, he's not that type of prospect.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#776 » by Jcool0 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:35 am

Grodoboldo wrote:Sam Vecenie has a great breakdown of the current Bulls situation today on The Athletic, including the draft:

https://theathletic.com/2052879/2020/09/22/team-specific-big-boards-bulls-nba-draft-options-and-offseason-preview/?source=emp_shared_article

His big board for us: 1-Ball, 2-Trade down, 3-Edwards, 4a/4b-Haliburton/Hayes, 5-Okoro, 6-Deni.

For the 44th pick, he mentions Riller, Nwora, Mays, Quickley and Merrill.

Really worth a read for those who have a subscription.


Trade down? Yeah I just dont see that happening.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#777 » by Grodoboldo » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:21 am

Jcool0 wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:Sam Vecenie has a great breakdown of the current Bulls situation today on The Athletic, including the draft:

https://theathletic.com/2052879/2020/09/22/team-specific-big-boards-bulls-nba-draft-options-and-offseason-preview/?source=emp_shared_article

His big board for us: 1-Ball, 2-Trade down, 3-Edwards, 4a/4b-Haliburton/Hayes, 5-Okoro, 6-Deni.

For the 44th pick, he mentions Riller, Nwora, Mays, Quickley and Merrill.

Really worth a read for those who have a subscription.


Trade down? Yeah I just dont see that happening.


Me neither, but if it was possible, I'd definitely be intrigued by that.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#778 » by MrFortune3 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:32 am

I am now more than ever curious to see who we take at #4.
I wonder if this makes Wiseman more of a target.
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Post#779 » by Repeat 3-peat » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:38 am

Grodoboldo wrote:Sam Vecenie has a great breakdown of the current Bulls situation today on The Athletic, including the draft:

https://theathletic.com/2052879/2020/09/22/team-specific-big-boards-bulls-nba-draft-options-and-offseason-preview/?source=emp_shared_article

His big board for us: 1-Ball, 2-Trade down, 3-Edwards, 4a/4b-Haliburton/Hayes, 5-Okoro, 6-Deni.

For the 44th pick, he mentions Riller, Nwora, Mays, Quickley and Merrill.

Really worth a read for those who have a subscription.


Drafting Ball/Hayes and Merrill would be a solid draft.

The drafts top playmaker(s) and all around shooter.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#780 » by Grodoboldo » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:42 am

Repeat 3-peat wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:Sam Vecenie has a great breakdown of the current Bulls situation today on The Athletic, including the draft:

https://theathletic.com/2052879/2020/09/22/team-specific-big-boards-bulls-nba-draft-options-and-offseason-preview/?source=emp_shared_article

His big board for us: 1-Ball, 2-Trade down, 3-Edwards, 4a/4b-Haliburton/Hayes, 5-Okoro, 6-Deni.

For the 44th pick, he mentions Riller, Nwora, Mays, Quickley and Merrill.

Really worth a read for those who have a subscription.


Drafting Ball/Hayes and Merrill would be a solid draft.

The drafts top playmaker(s) and all around shooter.


I quite like Nwora, but I haven't really seen/read much on Merrill. Will get on that.
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