Bears 2023 thread V

[fleet]

I understand losing patience with Justin, i really do. I mean as a Bulls fan I’m done with Pat.

But some of our comments are going to look very foolish if we end up with something worse than Fields especially if Fields goes elsewhere and gets his weaknesses fixed and all talents unlocked.

Play to win. Can’t try to lead from fear.

Pick the best QB and move fwd. if that Fields than do it.

I always said Poles should evaluate Stroud, Young, Richardson, Fields and Levis, and choose one. He may have done just that. Would he make another ranked choice in ‘24? He has an incredibly unlikely chance to try again

[Chi town]

I understand losing patience with Justin, i really do. I mean as a Bulls fan I’m done with Pat.

But some of our comments are going to look very foolish if we end up with something worse than Fields especially if Fields goes elsewhere and gets his weaknesses fixed and all talents unlocked.

Poles is between a rock and a hard place. If he continues on with Fields and he never corrects his weaknesses...he'll get criticized. If trades him and he fulfills his potential elsewhere he'll be crucified. We are unlikely to pick this high again. And if we do then Poles will be gone by then.

There are so many directions we could go. If we take Harrison #1 then Arizona might trade down from #2. Then the 2nd and 3rd picks might take Caleb and Maye off the Board. Then we would probably trade down from #4. Pick up more draft capital and still be in a position to get Nix or McCarthy, a LT, or an elite Edge.

Or we could grab one of the top rated QBs with the #1 pick and trade down from our pick and get a very good receiver like Nabors or Odunze (my preference) plus additional picks. This is probably the safest route to take.

But putting the horse before the cart Poles has got to address the coaching situation first and foremost. I hope Harbaugh makes the jump. Then let him and Poles figure out the QB situation and the Draft. Harbaugh knows what he needs to win. He's done it before. Several times.

If Fields stays healthy we will have enough tape from him. I do believe Getsy is holding him back too. Fields isn’t good at the short fast passing game and he SUCKS at anticipating receivers open. IMO you have to move on from him due to those. His contract makes it even easier. Also don’t think his running will keep him on the field.

Harbaugh would move on from Fields asap IMO. He knows it’s a passing league.

[Chi town]

I understand losing patience with Justin, i really do. I mean as a Bulls fan I’m done with Pat.

But some of our comments are going to look very foolish if we end up with something worse than Fields especially if Fields goes elsewhere and gets his weaknesses fixed and all talents unlocked.

Play to win. Can’t try to lead from fear.

Pick the best QB and move fwd. if that Fields than do it.

I always said Poles should evaluate Stroud, Young, Richardson, Fields and Levis, and choose one. He may have done just that. Would he make another ranked choice in ‘24? He has an incredibly unlikely chance to try again

He said he did. “Evaluated all QBs etc.”

[fleet]

Play to win. Can’t try to lead from fear.

Pick the best QB and move fwd. if that Fields than do it.

I always said Poles should evaluate Stroud, Young, Richardson, Fields and Levis, and choose one. He may have done just that. Would he make another ranked choice in ‘24? He has an incredibly unlikely chance to try again

He said he did. “Evaluated all QBs etc.”

If I had to guess it was:

Fields
Stroud
Richardson
Levis

Based on how Poles has made his aquisitions, I do not believe Young was even on the Bears board. Everything is always big athletes.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Play to win. Can’t try to lead from fear.

Pick the best QB and move fwd. if that Fields than do it.

I always said Poles should evaluate Stroud, Young, Richardson, Fields and Levis, and choose one. He may have done just that. Would he make another ranked choice in ‘24? He has an incredibly unlikely chance to try again

He said he did. “Evaluated all QBs etc.”

His short passing game has improved a lot. His accuracy has been much better on the underneaths and the crossing routes. Same with his other weaknesses. We just need him to be consistent with it then we’ll trust him as fans.

Getsy is hard to figure out though. I mean I hate saying it but his offense reminds me of what Nagy was doing although he does at least run the ball out of the I a few times. And then its either he runs no rb screens or too many in a row. Defenses, just like with Nagy, usually know whats coming. And that might be Getsy being cocky and just trusting the design of the play more than he should. Not easy on any level of the offense when defenses know what you’re doing.

[CjayC]

Jordan Love is still looking good. The Packers may have a quarterback Or the Detroit defense is more suspect than thought

Detroit continues to be a turnover walking

Jordan Love plays well vs Lions, they may have a qb.

Justin Fields plays well vs Lions, trade value goes up.

One guy has started 32 games, the other 11 games. The leeway both are given shouldn't be the same. People aren't wrong to be frustrated with Justin's inconsistent play or being tired of JT on QB School repeating some of the same negatives he had of Justin back in Year 2, in week 10 of year 3.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Jordan Love is still looking good. The Packers may have a quarterback Or the Detroit defense is more suspect than thought

Detroit continues to be a turnover walking

Jordan Love plays well vs Lions, they may have a qb.

Justin Fields plays well vs Lions, trade value goes up.

One guy has started 32 games, the other 11 games. The leeway both are given shouldn't be the same. People aren't wrong to be frustrated with Justin's inconsistent play or being tired of JT on QB School repeating some of the same negatives he had of Justin back in Year 2, in week 10 of year 3.

Not every player develops the same. Maybe it would have been better for Justin to sit and learn behind AR, who knows. I only care about what I see right now and if it took him a different route to get there doesn’t matter to me.

My very next post I said I understand losing patience with him. If he continues to play well I’ll be watching. If not then lets move on. And I could care less about what JT says. I form my own opinions.

[Michael Jackson]

I always said Poles should evaluate Stroud, Young, Richardson, Fields and Levis, and choose one. He may have done just that. Would he make another ranked choice in ‘24? He has an incredibly unlikely chance to try again

He said he did. “Evaluated all QBs etc.”

If I had to guess it was:

Fields
Stroud
Richardson
Levis

Based on how Poles has made his aquisitions, I do not believe Young was even on the Bears board. Everything is always big athletes.

I agree with that. Makes me feel like Caleb is less likely IMHO. I bet in Poles mind Maye ranks higher but then again who knows. MHJ is an obvious no brainer kinda like Del Curry having a steph but that isn't even fair as MH was better than... Better than Jellybean Bryant compared to Kobe... Maybe the Griffey's are the best comparison in baseball or the Archie and Peyton? Once again that feels like the Curry thing. Anyway a healthy MHJ feels really no brainer as a choice and might not end up having the gravity as a QB does. Still with any of the top 4 this year and MHJ or hell even Field's the offense will look better. Just playing with Moore will make his transition easier and make an QB's job easier.

[HearshotKDS]

But putting the horse before the cart Poles has got to address the coaching situation first and foremost. I hope Harbaugh makes the jump. Then let him and Poles figure out the QB situation and the Draft. Harbaugh knows what he needs to win. He's done it before. Several times.

While everyone has an opinion on what the Bears should do - ultimately this is the correct move. Pick your coaching staff and let them tell you the best QB for the system they will implement, dont make a decision on QB until you have cemented the coach. Doing the process assbackward (Letting the last GM pick a QB, and then figuring out which coaches ownership wanted, and then hiring a GM and forcing a short list of coaches on him) is how they got into this mess.

[Hold That]

He said he did. “Evaluated all QBs etc.”

If I had to guess it was:

Fields
Stroud
Richardson
Levis

Based on how Poles has made his aquisitions, I do not believe Young was even on the Bears board. Everything is always big athletes.

I agree with that. Makes me feel like Caleb is less likely IMHO. I bet in Poles mind Maye ranks higher but then again who knows. MHJ is an obvious no brainer kinda like Del Curry having a steph but that isn't even fair as MH was better than... Better than Jellybean Bryant compared to Kobe... Maybe the Griffey's are the best comparison in baseball or the Archie and Peyton? Once again that feels like the Curry thing. Anyway a healthy MHJ feels really no brainer as a choice and might not end up having the gravity as a QB does. Still with any of the top 4 this year and MHJ or hell even Field's the offense will look better. Just playing with Moore will make his transition easier and make an QB's job easier.

I agree about Marvin Harrison. I feel the Bears need to tell themselves that they walk out of that draft with MHJ at all cost. Whether they take a QB or not, MHJ is pivotal for Fields or any QB they take in the draft.

[Chi town]

If I had to guess it was:

Fields
Stroud
Richardson
Levis

Based on how Poles has made his aquisitions, I do not believe Young was even on the Bears board. Everything is always big athletes.

I agree with that. Makes me feel like Caleb is less likely IMHO. I bet in Poles mind Maye ranks higher but then again who knows. MHJ is an obvious no brainer kinda like Del Curry having a steph but that isn't even fair as MH was better than... Better than Jellybean Bryant compared to Kobe... Maybe the Griffey's are the best comparison in baseball or the Archie and Peyton? Once again that feels like the Curry thing. Anyway a healthy MHJ feels really no brainer as a choice and might not end up having the gravity as a QB does. Still with any of the top 4 this year and MHJ or hell even Field's the offense will look better. Just playing with Moore will make his transition easier and make an QB's job easier.

I agree about Marvin Harrison. I feel the Bears need to tell themselves that they walk out of that draft with MHJ at all cost. Whether they take a QB or not, MHJ is pivotal for Fields or any QB they take in the draft.

MHJ or Bowers can def help as elite difference makers. The issue is having a QB and scheme to maximize them.

I’m out on JF1 because I don’t think he will ever anticipate which greatly reduces his ceiling and his running will keep him out injured a lot.

MHJ is out for the reason we will select a new QB with that first pick and no GM is going to take a QB later on and risk them not being there.

I think the best we can do from this draft is CW and Bowers. If Bowers is gone you take Latu at DE or trade back and get Udunze or Keon Coleman. Both elite as well. Sell Fields for a 2nd rounder and get Van Pran.

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Do we still have waiver priority? He's gotta be like 28 or 29 years old if he was drafted in 2017 so I'm not sure if he'd fit in Poles long-term plan. And if he isn't in the long-term plan, it really doesn't make sense to bring him in for this year when we're not competing.

[fleet]

Jordan Love is still looking good. The Packers may have a quarterback Or the Detroit defense is more suspect than thought

Detroit continues to be a turnover walking

Jordan Love plays well vs Lions, they may have a qb.

Justin Fields plays well vs Lions, trade value goes up.

after you bring it up, it becomes an opportunity for back to back comparison of how 2 different quarterbacks performed against the same defense on the road.

Love 22/32, 268 yards, 8.4 avg, 3 TD - 0 INT, 90.6 QBR. 125.4 RTG
Fields 16/23, 168 yards, 7.3 avg, 1 TD - 0 INT, 72.1 QBR, 106.2 RTG

If Love's trade value is important to think about in relation to the Fields trade discusion, that might be happening if the Packers had a top 3 pick.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Jordan Love is still looking good. The Packers may have a quarterback Or the Detroit defense is more suspect than thought

Detroit continues to be a turnover walking

Jordan Love plays well vs Lions, they may have a qb.

Justin Fields plays well vs Lions, trade value goes up.

after you bring it up, it becomes an opportunity for back to back comparison of how 2 different quarterbacks performed against the same defense on the road.

Love 22/32, 268 yards, 8.4 avg, 3 TD - 0 INT, 90.6 QBR. 125.4 RTG
Fields 16/23, 168 yards, 7.3 avg, 1 TD - 0 INT, 72.1 QBR, 106.2 RTG

If Love's trade value is important to think about in relation to the Fields trade discusion, that might be happening if the Packers had a top 3 pick.

Its not, that was not my point at all. Anyways I get it, you’re done with Fields and there’s nothing that he can do that will change your mind. I wasn’t making an argument I was just pointing out how silly us Bears fans are.

[fleet]

Jordan Love plays well vs Lions, they may have a qb.

Justin Fields plays well vs Lions, trade value goes up.

after you bring it up, it becomes an opportunity for back to back comparison of how 2 different quarterbacks performed against the same defense on the road.

Love 22/32, 268 yards, 8.4 avg, 3 TD - 0 INT, 90.6 QBR. 125.4 RTG
Fields 16/23, 168 yards, 7.3 avg, 1 TD - 0 INT, 72.1 QBR, 106.2 RTG

If Love's trade value is important to think about in relation to the Fields trade discusion, that might be happening if the Packers had a top 3 pick.

Its not, that was not my point at all. Anyways I get it, you’re done with Fields and there’s nothing that he can do that will change your mind. I wasn’t making an argument I was just pointing out how silly us Bears fans are.

We're not silly, and there are plenty of NFL people in on the discussion

- the Bears have a top pick in a strong quarterback draft, while their own QB has been is inconsistent at best through 3 seasons.

- I will hold out hope that Fields will finally get it with his arm and eyes. I am out on his legs making him an attractive quarterback. Justin Fields ran 18 times against the Lions. That is completely unsustainable. Fields will be lucky to last to age 29 like Cam Newton by the time his body is shot.

[panthermark]

If we want to point out Love, let us point out things around him.

2019 (Love was still in college) GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and another Offensive assistant was Stenavich
2020 (Love was drafted) QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and Stenavich
2021 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and another Offensive assistant was Stenavich
2022 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC Stenavich
2023 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Love, HC-LaFleur, OC Stenavich

Notice a trend?

The same GM and HC were already in place even before Love was drafted. Love has only known one GM and one HC, and has been in the NFL a year longer than Fields.
Two OC's in that entire time, with current OC (Stenavich) learning from the prior OC, and both of them were in GB prior to Love being drafted.....thus the same system.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

after you bring it up, it becomes an opportunity for back to back comparison of how 2 different quarterbacks performed against the same defense on the road.

Love 22/32, 268 yards, 8.4 avg, 3 TD - 0 INT, 90.6 QBR. 125.4 RTG
Fields 16/23, 168 yards, 7.3 avg, 1 TD - 0 INT, 72.1 QBR, 106.2 RTG

If Love's trade value is important to think about in relation to the Fields trade discusion, that might be happening if the Packers had a top 3 pick.

Its not, that was not my point at all. Anyways I get it, you’re done with Fields and there’s nothing that he can do that will change your mind. I wasn’t making an argument I was just pointing out how silly us Bears fans are.

We're not silly, and there are plenty of NFL people in on the discussion

- the Bears have a top pick in a strong quarterback draft, while their own QB has been is inconsistent at best through 3 seasons.

- I will hold out hope that Fields will finally get it with his arm and eyes. I am out on his legs making him an attractive quarterback. Justin Fields ran 18 times against the Lions. That is completely unsustainable. Fields will be lucky to last to age 29 like Cam Newton by the time his body is shot.

Fields can throw he just needs to show more consistency with his timing. Hes not just a run first qb. Im not sold on him either but if he keeps playing well its hard for me to just ignore it and just mentally move on and start window shopping for something else.

If you just put this in perspective of the simplified version of what could happen. The Bears finally “develop” a qb and they decided to move onto another unknown. I mean that would be us. I dunno, seems silly to me.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

If we want to point out Love, let us point out things around him.

2019 (Love was still in college) GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and another Offensive assistant was Stenavich
2020 (Love was drafted) QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and Stenavich
2021 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and another Offensive assistant was Stenavich
2022 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC Stenavich
2023 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Love, HC-LaFleur, OC Stenavich

Notice a trend?

The same GM and HC were already in place even before Love was drafted. Love has only known one GM and one HC, and has been in the NFL a year longer than Fields.
Two OC's in that entire time, with current OC (Stenavich) learning from the prior OC, and both of them were in GB prior to Love being drafted.....thus the same system.

Thats a good point. Fields might have flourished in that situation.

[Chi town]

after you bring it up, it becomes an opportunity for back to back comparison of how 2 different quarterbacks performed against the same defense on the road.

Love 22/32, 268 yards, 8.4 avg, 3 TD - 0 INT, 90.6 QBR. 125.4 RTG
Fields 16/23, 168 yards, 7.3 avg, 1 TD - 0 INT, 72.1 QBR, 106.2 RTG

If Love's trade value is important to think about in relation to the Fields trade discusion, that might be happening if the Packers had a top 3 pick.

Its not, that was not my point at all. Anyways I get it, you’re done with Fields and there’s nothing that he can do that will change your mind. I wasn’t making an argument I was just pointing out how silly us Bears fans are.

We're not silly, and there are plenty of NFL people in on the discussion

- the Bears have a top pick in a strong quarterback draft, while their own QB has been is inconsistent at best through 3 seasons.

- I will hold out hope that Fields will finally get it with his arm and eyes. I am out on his legs making him an attractive quarterback. Justin Fields ran 18 times against the Lions. That is completely unsustainable. Fields will be lucky to last to age 29 like Cam Newton by the time his body is shot.

Exactly. He should have 5 designed runs a game. A couple runs from a broken pocket.