Bulls Trade Rumors Only

[Lunartic]

"well it's stupid to just make a trade for the sake of a trade, there weren't any good moves to make this year"

We've heard that same line for years and the last trade they made that they considered to be "worth it" was a terrible robbery and the bulls ended up with a mediocre squad incapable of making the playoffs.

Trade Caruso for as many picks as possible
Trade DDR for a solid young player or picks

Test the waters on PWill

Keep Coby\Lavine for now unless a stellar offer comes up

Do whatever you want with the rest of the roleplayers, get 2nds if possible

[chitownsports4ever]

What!? Do you even understand what you're saying? Trading for picks is for a chance at being a contender in the future, not straight away.

Did not trading for picks (or anything for that matter) make the Bulls a contender right away?

Trading for picks doesn't make you a contender in the future and as long as the Bulls are not trading anymore of their future picks right now Im ok with them not doing anything at this deadline because I would have a couple of our own picks and be competitive with some salary flexibility than trade players I like for bad contracts and a few draft picks and outright stink. The nba is getting more younger but also more raw so I can see another path to contention status if its done correctly.

I never said getting picks makes you a contender, I said it gives you a chance at being a contender.

How does staying the current course make the Bulls contenders?

I believe that our handling of Coby and Julian Phillips will determine our future contender status more than just adding some late 1st rd picks. I think just purposely quitting and giving up on Cobys development right now does us more harm than good

[ScrantonBulls]

AK claimed they were 3 wins out of 6th place. They're actually 5 wins below the 6th, and 4.5 games out in total. The guy is totally inept.

[GoBlue72391]

Julian Phillips and Dalen Terry can replace the production of the late firsts we didn't get for trading Caruso.

Dalen Terry is just a bust .The Bulls could have used a package with DeMar and Pat for trading.
Now we got nothing.

That's kind of my point. These are the type of players you would normally acquire with late first round picks. Which is why Caruso is so much more valuable than those kinds of draft picks.

Caruso is absolutely more valuable than a typical late 1st round draft pick, but when we're likely to lose him for nothing in 5 months you have to take what you can get, and multiple 1st for a role player would have been fantastic value.

A late 1st could be another Dalen Terry or it could be another Taj Gibson. Or the picks could have been packaged for a bigger move, etc.

[Dominator83]

Is this how you guys live your lives? The best or nothing?

My house needs work. Burn it to the ground.

My wife and I had an argument. Instant divorce.

My kid got a C+ in math. Fire that teacher

Seems like a real good recipe for being miserable...

Normally we try to address these things and improve them. The Bulls? not so much. They just buy a roll of duct tape and declare things fixed!

[HoopsterJones]

Is this how you guys live your lives? The best or nothing?

My house needs work. Burn it to the ground.

My wife and I had an argument. Instant divorce.

My kid got a C+ in math. Fire that teacher

Seems like a real good recipe for being miserable...

It’s not like this is year 1 with this core that was not young to begin, with Vuc and Demar were over 30 when this started. This is year 3 with the team record getting worse year over year.

Lonzo Ball has played all of 29 games in 3 years.
LaVine has regressed, is overpaid, and is also out for the year due to injury.
Demar is looking for one more big contract at age 35.
The Bulls FRP picks in Patrick Williams and Dalen Terry are not good enough.
The Bulls are already up against the cap and won’t go into the luxury tax.
Coby and Ayo are two lone bright spots.

So what are the options:

1. Keep watching the same thing knowing how it’s going to end in a playin and first round loss at best. Players keep getting older and overpaid and no room to sign quality free agents, no high draft picks to draft young cost controlled quality talent. All until it comes crumbling down and an inevitable rebuild.

2. Reset this team NOW by keeping the young cost controlled talent (Coby, Ayo) and start the rebuild with trading players for draft picks and cap space to sign players in the off season.

[WindyCityBorn]

What?
Pat making $60 /4?
He's just a role player who's starting because he doesn't have real competition.
He should get something around Felicio's contract of 32/4.
But you'll likely say the salary cap raised since then.
Not sure why people are so high on just a role player like him,I can understand extending Coby but Pat at 60/4??

Not a Pat fan whatsoever, but if you think he'll get anything under 60/4 more likely 80+/4 your going to be sorely surprised. I'd rather see him at like 40/4 but it just wont happen, other teams have shown interest before and now he is starting to play better with Coby/Ayo at the helm.

So you believe he can get a better contract than Coby?

Yes he will unless he plays worse the rest of the season.

[GoBlue72391]

We simply don't have championship ambitions. Its that easy. We have ambitions to be competitive, make money and hope somehow the chips fall in our advantage and we advance in the playoffs a round or two. That's the organizational goal for AKME.

The Charlotte Hornets have championship aspirations. The Washington Wizards have championship aspirations. The Utah Jazz have championship aspirations.

They must. They made trades.

The funny thing is the Jazz actually have a better record than us while playing in a tougher conference.

[Dominator83]

AK claimed they were 3 wins out of 6th place. They're actually 5 wins below the 6th, and 4.5 games out in total. The guy is totally inept.

and even so, thats what were striving for is 6th place? With a veteran team not a young team on the rise?

Micahael Jordan is the only reason why this franchise isn't the Kings or the Hawks

[Hangtime84]

Read on Twitter

Vuc and Pat suck ass lol, what a joke of a front office.

Again with the Vuc hate. He's a good player. Pat Williams on the other hand...still remains to be seen. I think it's more likely that Pat ends up with a decent career as a role player but I doubt he ever breaks out. Would love to be wrong about that, though.

He was a good player. He is now a meh player who is improving.

Vuc still shooting 27% from 3 on high volume and still one of the worst interior finishers in the league. He who happens to be your best free throw shooter does not draw fouls. He best asset is moving the ball.

Despite me saying all these Chicago Bulls might have found something with that Drummond and Vuc starting lineup

[drosestruts]

Now just throw 20M plus to the Bust Williams in the offseason and another 25M plus to old man Demar...Gosh you suck so bad Chicago Bulls...I wished I could just not care about it

I don't understand why people are getting worked up over a very unlikely $20m contract for Williams.

Coby White just re-signed for 3/$33 - was also a top-10 pick, but actually played better than Williams leading up to RFA.

Please don't stress about Pat's next contract, keep that blood pressure down.

PWill was a top 4 pick that AKME drafted, not GarPax like Coby, and his perceived "ceiling" is a lot higher than Coby's ever was until recently. Plus Pat has said he wants $20+ mil a year.

AKME loves Pat. I fully expected him to get that $20M+ per year contract. We bid against ourselves for Vuc, why wouldn't we do the same with Pat?

Killian Hayes was a top 7 pick and just got cut.

James Wiseman was a top 2 pick - is he getting $30m this summer??

The Vuc trade and re-signing has been bad, both in a vacuum, and within the context on this team.

Every other move has been good value, some have been good value but not the best fit.

[_txchilibowl_]

Is this how you guys live your lives? The best or nothing?

My house needs work. Burn it to the ground.

My wife and I had an argument. Instant divorce.

My kid got a C+ in math. Fire that teacher

Seems like a real good recipe for being miserable...

It’s not like this is year 1 with this core that was not young to begin, with Vuc and Demar were over 30 when this started. This is year 3 with the team record getting worse year over year.

Lonzo Ball has played all of 29 games in 3 years.
LaVine has regressed, is overpaid, and is also out for the year due to injury.
Demar is looking for one more big contract at age 35.
The Bulls FRP picks in Patrick Williams and Dalen Terry are not good enough.
The Bulls are already up against the cap and won’t go into the luxury tax.
Coby and Ayo are two lone bright spots.

So what are the options:

1. Keep watching the same thing knowing how it’s going to end in a playin and first round loss at best. Players keep getting older and overpaid and no room to sign quality free agents, no high draft picks to draft young cost controlled quality talent. All until it comes crumbling down and an inevitable rebuild.

2. Reset this team NOW by keeping the young cost controlled talent (Coby, Ayo) and start the rebuild with trading players for draft picks and cap space to sign players in the off season.

Why not reset it in the offseason? Make the playoffs now. Even if the players in question decline in value it's still insignificant. The Caruso late 1sts are now 2nds? Big deal.

I'd much rather play this situation out and develop a culture of trying to win. So maybe the timeline gets pushed back a couple of years before a contending roster can be built. I'm cool with that. The only other option was to just be bad and hope. We can do that anytime. Hell, we HAVE done that. Many, many times.

[drosestruts]

"well it's stupid to just make a trade for the sake of a trade, there weren't any good moves to make this year"

We've heard that same line for years and the last trade they made that they considered to be "worth it" was a terrible robbery and the bulls ended up with a mediocre squad incapable of making the playoffs.

Trade Caruso for as many picks as possible
Trade DDR for a solid young player or picks

Test the waters on PWill

Keep Coby\Lavine for now unless a stellar offer comes up

Do whatever you want with the rest of the roleplayers, get 2nds if possible

Bulls may have been mediocore but they weren't incapable of making the playoffs. They keep Coby in that game vs Miami insteado f subbing him out for Beverly and we probably win that game and are in the playoffs. We were winning when they took Coby out with under 5 minutes to go.

This is just rewriting history.

[GoBlue72391]

Is this how you guys live your lives? The best or nothing?

My house needs work. Burn it to the ground.

My wife and I had an argument. Instant divorce.

My kid got a C+ in math. Fire that teacher

Seems like a real good recipe for being miserable...

My house needs work. Don't do anything, just let it continue rotting and hope it magically gets fixed.

My wife and I had an argument. Avoid interacting with her at all costs.

My kid got a C+ in math. Congratulate him for being competitive and in the thick of it.

[Muzbar]

Trading for picks doesn't make you a contender in the future and as long as the Bulls are not trading anymore of their future picks right now Im ok with them not doing anything at this deadline because I would have a couple of our own picks and be competitive with some salary flexibility than trade players I like for bad contracts and a few draft picks and outright stink. The nba is getting more younger but also more raw so I can see another path to contention status if its done correctly.

I never said getting picks makes you a contender, I said it gives you a chance at being a contender.

How does staying the current course make the Bulls contenders?

I believe that our handling of Coby and Julian Phillips will determine our future contender status more than just adding some late 1st rd picks. I think just purposely quitting and giving up on Cobys development right now does us more harm than good

Why would you give up on Coby's development if the team decided to retool for the future? Do you think when they drafted him they didn't start to develop him until the team started to win more games?

You're relying on Julian Phillips to make this team a contender...? Julian Phillips? This team may be in a worse spot than I realised.

[_txchilibowl_]

Is this how you guys live your lives? The best or nothing?

My house needs work. Burn it to the ground.

My wife and I had an argument. Instant divorce.

My kid got a C+ in math. Fire that teacher

Seems like a real good recipe for being miserable...

My house needs work. Don't do anything, just let it continue rotting and hope it magically gets fixed.

My wife and I had an argument. Avoid interacting with her at all costs.

My kid got a C+ in math. Congratulate him for being competitive and in the thick of it.

Those must be the only two options. Weird.

[GoBlue72391]

Not a Pat fan whatsoever, but if you think he'll get anything under 60/4 more likely 80+/4 your going to be sorely surprised. I'd rather see him at like 40/4 but it just wont happen, other teams have shown interest before and now he is starting to play better with Coby/Ayo at the helm.

So you believe he can get a better contract than Coby?

Yes he will unless he plays worse the rest of the season.

Hell, IF he plays again this season. And even then I believe Pat is going to get his bag from AKME.

[Dominator83]

Is this how you guys live your lives? The best or nothing?

My house needs work. Burn it to the ground.

My wife and I had an argument. Instant divorce.

My kid got a C+ in math. Fire that teacher

Seems like a real good recipe for being miserable...

It’s not like this is year 1 with this core that was not young to begin, with Vuc and Demar were over 30 when this started. This is year 3 with the team record getting worse year over year.

Lonzo Ball has played all of 29 games in 3 years.
LaVine has regressed, is overpaid, and is also out for the year due to injury.
Demar is looking for one more big contract at age 35.
The Bulls FRP picks in Patrick Williams and Dalen Terry are not good enough.
The Bulls are already up against the cap and won’t go into the luxury tax.
Coby and Ayo are two lone bright spots.

So what are the options:

1. Keep watching the same thing knowing how it’s going to end in a playin and first round loss at best. Players keep getting older and overpaid and no room to sign quality free agents, no high draft picks to draft young cost controlled quality talent. All until it comes crumbling down and an inevitable rebuild.

2. Reset this team NOW by keeping the young cost controlled talent (Coby, Ayo) and start the rebuild with trading players for draft picks and cap space to sign players in the off season.

They won't rebuild dude no matter what. If anything they''ll repeat the exact same cycle once our 1st round pick debt is cleared next year. After the 2025 draft AK, with a fresh slate of future picks, will trade 2 future 1sts for someone like Dejounte Murray or similiar level B-lister. Book it.

[_txchilibowl_]

I never said getting picks makes you a contender, I said it gives you a chance at being a contender.

How does staying the current course make the Bulls contenders?

I believe that our handling of Coby and Julian Phillips will determine our future contender status more than just adding some late 1st rd picks. I think just purposely quitting and giving up on Cobys development right now does us more harm than good

Why would you give up on Coby's development if the team decided to retool for the future? Do you think when they drafted him they didn't start to develop him until the team started to win more games?

You're relying on Julian Phillips to make this team a contender...? Julian Phillips? This team may be in a worse spot than I realised.

You see no value and having respected veterans mentor a young player? If you turn the team into a loser, guess what, you develop losers.

[Narigo]

They just trying to keep their jobs. Hitting the reset button would admit failure on their part