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Ccwatercraft · Post #781 » by **Ccwatercraft** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:12 am

Leslie Forman wrote:That one pass Zion made to Ingram for a dunk is already a better pass than I think I've seen anybody on this roster ever make.

that's quite a ridiculous statement.

dice · Post #782 » by **dice** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:45 am

Ccwatercraft wrote:
Leslie Forman wrote:That one pass Zion made to Ingram for a dunk is already a better pass than I think I've seen anybody on this roster ever make.

that's quite a ridiculous statement.

yeah, he was double-teamed and found the open man. nothing notable

SfBull · Post #783 » by **SfBull** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:31 am

dice wrote:
Ccwatercraft wrote:
Leslie Forman wrote:That one pass Zion made to Ingram for a dunk is already a better pass than I think I've seen anybody on this roster ever make.

that's quite a ridiculous statement.

yeah, he was double-teamed and found the open man. nothing notable

It was still a great pass for a 18 year old in his first official game as was his 4/4 3 pointers for a player whose expected limitation was exactly that.He didn't show it during his time playing for Duke.He has skills for being a perennial MVP candidate ( like Doncic is now).

Post #784 » by **coldfish** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:38 pm

Zion has a PER of 38.1. People will look at it and laugh at the sample size. His overall stats are in the ballpark (slightly less actually) than he did in college.

If he can stay healthy, he is going to be a beast. I wouldn't bet against NOP making a huge run once he is playing regularly.

Post #785 » by **RedBulls23** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:58 pm

coldfish wrote:Zion has a PER of 38.1. People will look at it and laugh at the sample size. His overall stats are in the ballpark (slightly less actually) than he did in college.

If he can stay healthy, he is going to be a beast. I wouldn't bet against NOP making a huge run once he is playing regularly.

He and Ingram are a great duo fit wise too.

God damn, the Pels are really set if both these guys can stay healthy. Especially when you consider the other young players and draft picks to work with to build the perfect team around those two.

Post #786 » by **Ice Man** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:03 pm

coldfish wrote:Zion has a PER of 38.1. People will look at it and laugh at the sample size. His overall stats are in the ballpark (slightly less actually) than he did in college.

If he can stay healthy, he is going to be a beast. I wouldn't bet against NOP making a huge run once he is playing regularly.

I will be surprised if he's not the most efficient high-scoring player ever. Steph to my knowledge leads the pack with a 62% TS%, and Zion blew that away in college, then again in his NBA pre-season, and then again on Wednesday. The guy gets nothing but dunks and free throws, plus he's starting to look like a 3 point shooter, so he'll get some of those too.

Ccwatercraft · Post #787 » by **Ccwatercraft** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:05 pm

RedBulls23 wrote:
coldfish wrote:Zion has a PER of 38.1. People will look at it and laugh at the sample size. His overall stats are in the ballpark (slightly less actually) than he did in college.

If he can stay healthy, he is going to be a beast. I wouldn't bet against NOP making a huge run once he is playing regularly.

He and Ingram are a great duo fit wise too.

God damn, the Pels are really set if both these guys can stay healthy. Especially when you consider the other young players and draft picks to work with to build the perfect team around those two.

agree, they are in quite a good spot, and already on a bit of a run that started before. Good for them.

I watched that game for the first half and went to bed and Zion was pretty sketchy at the time, the turnovers were pretty ugly.

Then I saw the box the next morning, and fortunately I still had the game on DVR so I watched it when I got home from work yesterday, the 4th Q really saved his stat line there. I can't believe he's 285, is that right? wow.

MrSparkle · Post #788 » by **MrSparkle** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:46 pm

Zion is going to be a fun player, but basically the same situation as Embiid. Exciting as hell when he plays, but the injuries and load management are gonna be real. Also, I don't think he'll shoot 4-4 from the arc very often, although it was really cool that he made that statement in his debut game (after a bad 1st half). He's got superstar blood.

But boy is NOP lucky for getting a break-out Ingram and Lakers' future picks. The 2024 or 25 unprotected 1st pick option will be as Lebron is 39 going on 40 and Davis is 30 going on 31. It's not that hard for the Lakers to just shop for free agents the off-season prior, but you never know in this league.

Mech Engineer · Post #789 » by **Mech Engineer** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:22 pm

MrSparkle wrote:Zion is going to be a fun player, but basically the same situation as Embiid. Exciting as hell when he plays, but the injuries and load management are gonna be real. Also, I don't think he'll shoot 4-4 from the arc very often, although it was really cool that he made that statement in his debut game (after a bad 1st half). He's got superstar blood.

But boy is NOP lucky for getting a break-out Ingram and Lakers' future picks. The 2024 or 25 unprotected 1st pick option will be as Lebron is 39 going on 40 and Davis is 30 going on 31. It's not that hard for the Lakers to just shop for free agents the off-season prior, but you never know in this league.

I think we are overestimating his injury problems. He is thick but quick and there's less chances of him getting pushed around. Luka for all his craftiness is getting beat up everytime he is near the basket. I guess those type of injuries will be less with Zion. I think they will figure out his optimum weight after observing him this season.

He has that electric game where the opponents start watching or reacting to his moves a second late. He is like a mix of Lebron and Barkley....that's how good he can be.

Rose2Boozer · Post #790 » by **Rose2Boozer** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:20 am

The Mavericks just picked up Willie Cauley-Stein for a second round pick. A nice fast response since they lost Dwight Powell for the rest of the season.

Leslie Forman · Post #791 » by **Leslie Forman** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:27 am

dice wrote:
Ccwatercraft wrote:
Leslie Forman wrote:That one pass Zion made to Ingram for a dunk is already a better pass than I think I've seen anybody on this roster ever make.

that's quite a ridiculous statement.

yeah, he was double-teamed and found the open man. nothing notable

Nope. Like I said in the other thread, the speed of recognition he showed there was way quicker than you'll see anyone on this team ever show. If that situation had happened here, the passer, whomever it was, would not have passed it until Ingram was already in the paint. By the time Zion had started the motion of the pass, Ingram had just barely even started his move towards the paint.

It is the execution of those "simple" passes that separates a good passer than just some guy. It looks easy because they made it look easy.

Post #792 » by **Ice Man** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:20 am

Rose2Boozer wrote:The Mavericks just picked up Willie Cauley-Stein for a second round pick. A nice fast response since they lost Dwight Powell for the rest of the season.

The #6 pick for a second rounder ... typical. It damn near costs an All Star to get a #6 draft pick these days, but most 'em can't really play. This is as much of a seller's market for draft picks as I've ever seen.

Leslie Forman · Post #793 » by **Leslie Forman** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:18 am

If those Catholic church emails get out, I wonder what the league will do about Gayle Benson. It'd be a worse look than the Sterling tape IMO.

Ccwatercraft · Post #794 » by **Ccwatercraft** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:16 am

Ice Man wrote:
Rose2Boozer wrote:The Mavericks just picked up Willie Cauley-Stein for a second round pick. A nice fast response since they lost Dwight Powell for the rest of the season.

The #6 pick for a second rounder ... typical. It damn near costs an All Star to get a #6 draft pick these days, but most 'em can't really play. This is as much of a seller's market for draft picks as I've ever seen.

good move, didnt have to give up serious assets.

PrimzyBulls81 · Post #795 » by **PrimzyBulls81** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:31 am

Good move by Mavs, to get WCS for cheap.
Their biggest move is yet to come I think, they will try to add one more good vet shooter for playoffs.

dice · Post #796 » by **dice** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:56 am

Ccwatercraft wrote:
Ice Man wrote:
Rose2Boozer wrote:The Mavericks just picked up Willie Cauley-Stein for a second round pick. A nice fast response since they lost Dwight Powell for the rest of the season.

The #6 pick for a second rounder ... typical. It damn near costs an All Star to get a #6 draft pick these days, but most 'em can't really play. This is as much of a seller's market for draft picks as I've ever seen.

good move, didnt have to give up serious assets.

makes no sense from the warriors' perspective, frankly. solid player on min contract

Rose2Boozer · Post #797 » by **Rose2Boozer** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:16 am

Yeah, it almost seems like a personality doesn't fit deal.

dice · Post #798 » by **dice** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:05 pm

Leslie Forman wrote:
dice wrote:
Ccwatercraft wrote:
that's quite a ridiculous statement.

yeah, he was double-teamed and found the open man. nothing notable

Nope. Like I said in the other thread, the speed of recognition he showed there was way quicker than you'll see anyone on this team ever show. If that situation had happened here, the passer, whomever it was, would not have passed it until Ingram was already in the paint. By the time Zion had started the motion of the pass, Ingram had just barely even started his move towards the paint.

It is the execution of those "simple" passes that separates a good passer than just some guy. It looks easy because they made it look easy.

it was a nice pass, but again, nothing to write home about

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MeloRoseNoah · Post #799 » by **MeloRoseNoah** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:58 pm

Zion Williamson is so electric as a player. David Griffin is transforming the Pelicans into a NBA contender.

What a quick turnaround by a good GM and his staff! Jerry Krause is 100% right: organization wins championships. This organization led by GarPax is full of incompetent old tools who are content with the 8th seed and playoff revenue.

Post #800 » by **Ice Man** » Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:19 pm

PrimzyBulls81 wrote:Good move by Mavs, to get WCS for cheap.

Yep, as I wrote it's a sellers' market for picks, a buyers' market for players.