GO CRAZY PAT! - Patrick Williams thread p2

[MrFortune3]

The one thing I want to see from Pwill next year is more aggressiveness on offense. He needs to assert himself and make himself a problem the defense has to account for.

We all want to see that. It's something we've all wanted to see from Lauri for the past four seasons, too. It's very hard to break out of that passive mindset when it's a player's default setting.

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I think it’s more dependent upon the environment the player is in. Remember, at FSU it was a sacrifice your game for the team mentality.

[sco]

The one thing I want to see from Pwill next year is more aggressiveness on offense. He needs to assert himself and make himself a problem the defense has to account for.

We all want to see that. It's something we've all wanted to see from Lauri for the past four seasons, too. It's very hard to break out of that passive mindset when it's a player's default setting.

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I think it’s more dependent upon the environment the player is in. Remember, at FSU it was a sacrifice your game for the team mentality.

Folks are saying he needs to be more aggressive, but I think he needs to be more decisive and aware first. How many times did he not take the 3, just to step out of bounds? How many times did he dribble into traffic and get stripped. Those are situations he needs to work through this offseason. Just being aggressive will add turnovers.

[kodo]

“I really think I can be as good as I want to be,” Williams said. “The size, the strength, the athleticism, I pretty much have it all. For me it’s more mental than anything. I have to learn how to control my mentality and to really dial in 100 percent mentally, and I think that will make me the player that I want to be and that I need to be.

Bulls organization keeps feeding this into his head, he should be thinking like a 30th pick who needs to fight for his minutes, like Jimmy.

He doesn't have size. 6' 7", 215 lbs is not "having it all."
He doesn't have unusual athleticism, either slashing to the basket or vertically.
Strength matters mostly in rebounding and battling low post, he's not particularly good at either.

Patrick is going to have to hustle & scrap to be a useful member of a winning team like Jimmy or Tobias Harris, I hope he does and stops listening to people who keep telling him he's naturally gifted.

Looks like a naturally talented catch & shoot guy however. 39% 3P is excellent for his age & being a starter, most rooks have it easier coming off the bench.

[Michael Jackson]

If P Will played like Terrance Mann has in the playoffs we would all be really really happy.

[Dez]

“I really think I can be as good as I want to be,” Williams said. “The size, the strength, the athleticism, I pretty much have it all. For me it’s more mental than anything. I have to learn how to control my mentality and to really dial in 100 percent mentally, and I think that will make me the player that I want to be and that I need to be.

Bulls organization keeps feeding this into his head, he should be thinking like a 30th pick who needs to fight for his minutes, like Jimmy.

He doesn't have size. 6' 7", 215 lbs is not "having it all."
He doesn't have unusual athleticism, either slashing to the basket or vertically.
Strength matters mostly in rebounding and battling low post, he's not particularly good at either.

Patrick is going to have to hustle & scrap to be a useful member of a winning team like Jimmy or Tobias Harris, I hope he does and stops listening to people who keep telling him he's naturally gifted.

Looks like a naturally talented catch & shoot guy however. 39% 3P is excellent for his age & being a starter, most rooks have it easier coming off the bench.

That is ridiculous, acknowledging that he has natural and athletic gifts doesn't mean he's not hustling and working hard.

[CobyWhite0]

“I really think I can be as good as I want to be,” Williams said. “The size, the strength, the athleticism, I pretty much have it all. For me it’s more mental than anything. I have to learn how to control my mentality and to really dial in 100 percent mentally, and I think that will make me the player that I want to be and that I need to be.

Bulls organization keeps feeding this into his head, he should be thinking like a 30th pick who needs to fight for his minutes, like Jimmy.

He doesn't have size. 6' 7", 215 lbs is not "having it all."
He doesn't have unusual athleticism, either slashing to the basket or vertically.
Strength matters mostly in rebounding and battling low post, he's not particularly good at either.

Patrick is going to have to hustle & scrap to be a useful member of a winning team like Jimmy or Tobias Harris, I hope he does and stops listening to people who keep telling him he's naturally gifted.

Looks like a naturally talented catch & shoot guy however. 39% 3P is excellent for his age & being a starter, most rooks have it easier coming off the bench.

That is ridiculous, acknowledging that he has natural and athletic gifts doesn't mean he's not hustling and working hard.

I don't understand why everyone can see how physically gifted Mr Patrick Williams is - outside of a few Bulls fans? Apparently, all the professional scouts and talent evaluators around the league are just lying about Mr Patrick Williams being quick and strong.
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An explosive, “freakish” combo forward with intriguing upside, especially as a defender … One of the most explosive athletes in college basketball, Williams is difficult to keep off of the offensive glass … https://www.nbadraft.net/players/patrick-williams/

Standing 6-foot-8 with a near 7-feet wingspan and a strong 225-pound frame, Patrick Williams has nice tools for a forward to go along with an impressive blend of quickness and leaping ability. https://www.nba.com/draft/2020/prospects/patrick-williams

I could go on, but why bother?

[madvillian]

He's not freakishly athletic. He's long and has good functional strength. I think the Deng comp is a good one. We shall see if he can have half the career luol did.

[CobyWhite0]

He's not freakishly athletic. He's long and has good functional strength. I think the Deng comp is a good one. We shall see if he can have half the career luol did.

Agreed, I don't see him as a freakish athlete. But I still think he's closer to Artest than Deng

[samwana]

Pat has a lot of skill, but it doesn't matter as long as he plays timid. He doesn't need to pass an open shot or an easy shot for a veteran player.

He should work at tighting up his handle. And he should go ask Jimmy how to work on his game. The one off-season Jimmy locked himself up, to show the world what he could do had amazing effect on his game.
Pat could use exactly that, finish around the basket with authority, be confident to shoot whatever shot as soon as he is open.

Basically stop being a rook and take a big role on and for the team.

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[DJhitek]

Continue to work on that jumper and ball handling Patrick, because next season, this team will need vast improvements from you on the skill and aggression front.

[Wingy]

If the supporters are right, I expect Pat to crush summer league. Not nec from a dominating scorers perspective, but doing a decent amount of scoring, stuffing the stat sheet all over the place, and forcing some hyped rookies into tough shooting nights (looking at you Cade).

Playing against lesser talent overall on the court, and after checking other teams’ best scorers all season long- summer league ought to look like slow motion. If he can’t have a massive impact on those games, as a supporter, I’m calling it a red flag.

[sco]

If the supporters are right, I expect Pat to crush summer league. Not nec from a dominating scorers perspective, but doing a decent amount of scoring, stuffing the stat sheet all over the place, and forcing some hyped rookies into tough shooting nights (looking at you Cade).

Playing against lesser talent overall on the court, and after checking other teams’ best scorers all season long- summer league ought to look like slow motion. If he can’t have a massive impact on those games, as a supporter, I’m calling it a red flag.

I think folks will be disappointed in summer league and next season. Pat, IMO, has some of the same challenges that a young Otto Porter did. He has some skills that look good as a 3rd or 4th option score, but lacks the speed and moves to be more than that, offensively.

Honestly, I'd rather that he focuses on developing at least lone move to use when he gets cut off driving to the hoop and a post move or two.

I'd also like to see him work on his quickness and foot work.

That said, I only expect marginal improvement this offseason.

[waffle]

I think it is easier to coach up a guy to be a wee bit more aggressive than it is to coach a guy to stop being a chucker.

Just to remind folks I think he was the 2nd youngest player in the league? Right? And there is a reason why folks all over the league, players and management, love his game already.

I also would like to see him work on his foot speed. I love the way he moves already but I think he would be helped by some additional speed training.

I think he might benefit from being a building block of a building team. They will learn to play together.

This team has no option right now but to believe that P Will can become a core starter on this team. That is where their bread is buttered. I personally like that assumption.

It will be very interesting to see if he ends up being a 3 or a 4. I'd prefer 3 but we'll wait and see.

[Wingy]

If the supporters are right, I expect Pat to crush summer league. Not nec from a dominating scorers perspective, but doing a decent amount of scoring, stuffing the stat sheet all over the place, and forcing some hyped rookies into tough shooting nights (looking at you Cade).

Playing against lesser talent overall on the court, and after checking other teams’ best scorers all season long- summer league ought to look like slow motion. If he can’t have a massive impact on those games, as a supporter, I’m calling it a red flag.

I think folks will be disappointed in summer league and next season. Pat, IMO, has some of the same challenges that a young Otto Porter did. He has some skills that look good as a 3rd or 4th option score, but lacks the speed and moves to be more than that, offensively.

Honestly, I'd rather that he focuses on developing at least lone move to use when he gets cut off driving to the hoop and a post move or two.

I'd also like to see him work on his quickness and foot work.

That said, I only expect marginal improvement this offseason.

I separate the two - summer league vs. regular season. Due to reasons noted, we should be disappointed if he can't make his mark on the summer league competition. I see some of the physical limitations you mentioned, so that's why I'm calling for an overall game-impacting performance (boards, assists, block, steals, strong defense) for the summer vs. a dominating scoring performance.

Now against real NBA competition, yeah, it wouldn't be that shocking to see fairly modest gains in year 2. As long as we see steady improvement across multiple areas next year, I think it's reasonable progress.

He has a lot of tools, but they're mostly unrefined, and he's going to need to put in the work of course.

[DASMACKDOWN]

I just think Pat is mistaking sharing the ball with being a good teammate.

But in his case its clearly passive because while Pat doesn't touch the ball on every possession, the little times he does, he still thinks pass off rather than shoot.

Pat was clearly just an extremely passive player on both sides of the ball.

Rookies usually have issues like poor FG attempts (shooting when they should have passed or shooting into double teams)
Turnovers of offensive fouls or making really bad passes.
Fouling at a really big rate on defense.

Things like that.

But in Pat's case none of those things applied. Most of his turnovers this season were self afflicted. Thru the first 3 months of the season, his turnovers were mostly travels or stepping out of bounds. Then after he curbed that issue, that turnovers was him passing it off when he should have shot the ball.

And Pat all year long never really got into foul trouble despite always guarding the opposing best player. For a rookie that sounds impressive, but in reality its because Pat was constantly getting blown by and not playing physical defense.

I've said it before, Id rather see young guys try and fail then to not try at all. Failing is correctable. Not having the will to even try is actually a problem.

As much as he thinks, we dont want to see 4-7 shooting. We would have rather seen 4-17 shooting because it would have at least shown willingness. And we know 4-17 could actually turn into a 13-17 night eventually.

We have generally been hard on our second year players the last few years. We were hard on Lauri, Wendell and we see how high a standard we expected from Coby.

Pat will be no different from the fanbase.

[WindyCityBorn]

He's not freakishly athletic. He's long and has good functional strength. I think the Deng comp is a good one. We shall see if he can have half the career luol did.

He is a SIGNIFICANTLY better athlete than Deng.

[sco]

He's not freakishly athletic. He's long and has good functional strength. I think the Deng comp is a good one. We shall see if he can have half the career luol did.

He is a SIGNIFICANTLY better athlete than Deng.

IDK, Deng as a rookie was similarly touted in terms of length and athleticism. Deng certainly showed more defensive prowess and scoring ability as a rookie. No doubt Pat has better handles and 3pt range. Also, Deng came in much higher on the offensive pecking order based on his teammates.

[WindyCityBorn]

He's not freakishly athletic. He's long and has good functional strength. I think the Deng comp is a good one. We shall see if he can have half the career luol did.

He is a SIGNIFICANTLY better athlete than Deng.

IDK, Deng as a rookie was similarly touted in terms of length and athleticism. Deng certainly showed more defensive prowess and scoring ability as a rookie. No doubt Pat has better handles and 3pt range. Also, Deng came in much higher on the offensive pecking order based on his teammates.

Deng was never really a plus athlete. He had great size and length for his position though. Most of the stuff you are saying about Deng has nothing to with raw athleticism. I’m not saying Williams is comparable player at the same stage.

[GoBlue72391]

He is a SIGNIFICANTLY better athlete than Deng.

IDK, Deng as a rookie was similarly touted in terms of length and athleticism. Deng certainly showed more defensive prowess and scoring ability as a rookie. No doubt Pat has better handles and 3pt range. Also, Deng came in much higher on the offensive pecking order based on his teammates.

Deng was never really a plus athlete. He had great size and length for his position though. Most of the stuff you are saying about Deng has nothing to with raw athleticism. I’m not saying Williams is comparable player at the same stage.

I remember Deng being pretty athletic earlier in his career when he was thinner and more lanky. It was mid-career and onward where he was the very definition of an average NBA athlete when his build became more sturdy at the cost of his athleticism. PWill is a better run-jump athlete than Deng was, but he lacks Deng's lateral quickness.

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[WindyCityBorn]

IDK, Deng as a rookie was similarly touted in terms of length and athleticism. Deng certainly showed more defensive prowess and scoring ability as a rookie. No doubt Pat has better handles and 3pt range. Also, Deng came in much higher on the offensive pecking order based on his teammates.

Deng was never really a plus athlete. He had great size and length for his position though. Most of the stuff you are saying about Deng has nothing to with raw athleticism. I’m not saying Williams is comparable player at the same stage.

I remember Deng being pretty athletic earlier in his career when he was thinner and more lanky. It was mid-career and onward where he was the very definition of an average NBA athlete when his build became more sturdy at the cost of his athleticism. PWill is a better run-jump athlete than Deng was, but he lacks Deng's lateral quickness.

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Deng always looked stiff to me.