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2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pic: Poll added

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If Bulls keep the pick, who should they select?

Jalen Williams
7
11%
Tari Eason
18
29%
Nikola Jovic
4
6%
Mark Williams
18
29%
Ochai Agbaji
1
2%
TyTy Washington
0
No votes
Ousmane Dieng
0
No votes
Malaki Branham
2
3%
EJ Liddell
8
13%
Jeremy Sochan
4
6%
 
Total votes: 62

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Post#781 » by Muzbar » Sun Jun 5, 2022 1:15 am

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Muzbar wrote:What's everyone think of Dalen Terry?

Stats aren't eye popping except for his ast/to ratio, but good measurements: 6'7" with a 7 foot wingspan, combo guard with good bounce and a good shooting stroke.

Diamond in the rough? Or just solid role player?


Would be a great get. Might have the best passing feel in the draft. Infectious personality. Two way player. I had an executive tell me he may low key be Arizona's best prospect.


Terry seems like a guy that will get drafted higher than expected. Has all the tools and makings of a really good NBA player.

I'm glad others (most at least) are seeing what I'm seeing in Dalen, I think he's on top of my list.

I'm not an expert prospect analysis by any means, but there's something about him that's clicking for me.
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Post#782 » by Chi town » Sun Jun 5, 2022 2:01 am

I want to believe in Dalen but I always think of Glenn Robinson III. To mechanical. He sure can pass though.

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No way we blow a first rounder on him, and we can't purchase a 2nd round pick, so I'd have to assume this would be for an undrafted FA slot or just Summer League. He was okay overseas, but I think a lot of his allure has waned since his HS hype.

I believe we can "buy a 2nd round pick" by having a handshake deal in place to direct the pick and have the trade afterwards for cash considerations.


Would the NBA even allow that? I gotta imagine they have some contingencies in place to keep teams from doing this.

Someone did mention buying the 60th pick this year, but I'd again question how the NBA would handle that. Because it honestly hurts the players that should've been drafted in those slots.
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Post#784 » by Muzbar » Sun Jun 5, 2022 3:22 am

Chi town wrote:I want to believe in Dalen but I always think of Glenn Robinson III. To mechanical. He sure can pass though.


Too mechanical how? I'm not seeing it.

You're bang on about his passing though, that video impressed me regarding his passing, made good reads.

I'm sold.
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Post#785 » by Chi town » Sun Jun 5, 2022 5:15 am

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Chi town wrote:I want to believe in Dalen but I always think of Glenn Robinson III. To mechanical. He sure can pass though.


Too mechanical how? I'm not seeing it.

You're bang on about his passing though, that video impressed me regarding his passing, made good reads.

I'm sold.


Not much wiggle. Doesn’t look like he will be able to get around anyone off the bounce. His shot is stationary. No movement. Set shot.
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Post#786 » by Chi town » Sun Jun 5, 2022 5:17 am

At 18 I’d be happy with…

Eason
Procida
Kendall Brown
Moore
Terry

In that order.
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Post#787 » by donaldtrump_00 » Sun Jun 5, 2022 9:42 am

Chi town wrote:At 18 I’d be happy with…

Eason
Procida
Kendall Brown
Moore
Terry

In that order.



This Is why nobody here is a draft scout or gm. Wow. We need bigs. How'd a pg get into the discussion? Ayo is already better then Terry at everything. Eason is a good 1st choice. Ej liddell is a great choice. Then you would have to look at walker Kessler and also see who slips into our hands before going nuts and choosing a player we have in lonzo and ayo.
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Post#788 » by JohnnyTapwater » Sun Jun 5, 2022 11:44 am

Chi town wrote:At 18 I’d be happy with…

Eason
Procida
Kendall Brown
Moore
Terry

In that order.


I like it.

I'm still developing my list, but here I am.

Jeremy Sochan
Tari Eason
Jaden Hardy
Gabriele Procida
EJ Liddell
Jalen Williams
Kendall Brown
Walker Kessler
Dalen Terry
Blake Wesley

If Walker Kessler flames out, I'll never trust his player archetype again.

I don't want to reach for a big just because we need a big. I think buying a 2nd round pick or UDFA can get us a valuable piece. I think Free Agency will get us that too.
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Post#789 » by moorhosj » Sun Jun 5, 2022 1:18 pm

donaldtrump_00 wrote:Then you would have to look at walker Kessler and also see who slips into our hands before going nuts and choosing a player we have in lonzo and ayo.


You shouldn’t pass on whoever is ranked BPA because of our current point guards. One is injured and the other has one year on his contract.
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Post#790 » by Bulldog23 » Sun Jun 5, 2022 1:54 pm

Jalen Williams is a pretty good athlete, I think he might be better than Troy Brown. Troy can initiate the offense like Jalen, but doesn’t move as quickly or jump. I wonder if Jalen can be effective off the ball with Lavine and Demar. It looked like Troy played a lot at power forward, which is not his game. I think Kendall Brown is a good selection because his speed, defense, size, and jump will push the pace of offense and improve rebounding for the Bulls. I expect Troy to lose some weight to be quicker out on the court.
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Post#791 » by Jvaughn » Sun Jun 5, 2022 2:21 pm

JohnnyTapwater wrote:
I'm still developing my list, but here I am.

Jeremy Sochan
Tari Eason
Jaden Hardy
Gabriele Procida
EJ Liddell
Jalen Williams
Kendall Brown
Walker Kessler
Dalen Terry
Blake Wesley

If Walker Kessler flames out, I'll never trust his player archetype again.


I already don't trust it. He's going to get killed in PnR defense. I'm really not onboard with non switchable bigs anymore. Was a great positional defender at Auburn and played good helpside, but on that perimeter he's going to be a liability.
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Post#792 » by Almost Retired » Sun Jun 5, 2022 2:25 pm

Dan Z wrote:"2022 NBA Draft profile: Why Ohio State's E.J. Liddell can follow Grant Williams as 'undersized' steal":

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-draft-profile-why-ohio-states-e-j-liddell-can-follow-grant-williams-as-undersized-steal/


Great article. I pray he lasts to #18 and AKME calls his name. We hit a sweet spot with Ayo last year. We drafted him after his junior season after playing 3 years in the tough, competitive Big-10. Liddell is at the same place as a Junior draftee. His improvement arc is impressive. He's a worker. Stellar character, on and off the court. And he fits perfectly to a position of need for us, and his switchability seems to be what AKME looks for. He'd get minutes in Year 1 because of his defense. And he's solidly put together. That doesn't make him injury proof...look at what happened to Patrick. But he's a man ready to play in a man's game. I'd love to see what he could do on the defensive end against Giannis.
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Post#794 » by Almost Retired » Sun Jun 5, 2022 2:38 pm

Jvaughn wrote:
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I'm still developing my list, but here I am.

Jeremy Sochan
Tari Eason
Jaden Hardy
Gabriele Procida
EJ Liddell
Jalen Williams
Kendall Brown
Walker Kessler
Dalen Terry
Blake Wesley

If Walker Kessler flames out, I'll never trust his player archetype again.


I already don't trust it. He's going to get killed in PnR defense. I'm really not onboard with non switchable bigs anymore. Was a great positional defender at Auburn and played good helpside, but on that perimeter he's going to be a liability.



I was high on Kessler during the season. But the fact that Auburn had him sitting on the bench during most of their abysmal Tournament loss to Miami changed my mind. Kessler might have been a fine draft prospect 20 or 30 years ago. Not any longer. He's a fringe rotation player at best. There are several bigs with greater long term potential that will be available in the 2nd round. I'd take Kofi Cockburn over him just due to the familiarity he has with Ayo. The most recent Mock Drafts show that Cockburn might go undrafted. Which would make him a perfect unrestricted pickup.
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Post#795 » by sco » Sun Jun 5, 2022 3:12 pm

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Jvaughn wrote:
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I'm still developing my list, but here I am.

Jeremy Sochan
Tari Eason
Jaden Hardy
Gabriele Procida
EJ Liddell
Jalen Williams
Kendall Brown
Walker Kessler
Dalen Terry
Blake Wesley

If Walker Kessler flames out, I'll never trust his player archetype again.


I already don't trust it. He's going to get killed in PnR defense. I'm really not onboard with non switchable bigs anymore. Was a great positional defender at Auburn and played good helpside, but on that perimeter he's going to be a liability.



I was high on Kessler during the season. But the fact that Auburn had him sitting on the bench during most of their abysmal Tournament loss to Miami changed my mind. Kessler might have been a fine draft prospect 20 or 30 years ago. Not any longer. He's a fringe rotation player at best. There are several bigs with greater long term potential that will be available in the 2nd round. I'd take Kofi Cockburn over him just due to the familiarity he has with Ayo. The most recent Mock Drafts show that Cockburn might go undrafted. Which would make him a perfect unrestricted pickup.

AK seems wed to the Jokic C model...a do it all C with playmaking and 3pt ability. Kessler isn't that.
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Post#796 » by Jvaughn » Sun Jun 5, 2022 3:26 pm

Okay been watching Jaden Hardy game film (not highlight tape) all week, and I'm back on the train. He was extremely inefficient, but so was Kuminga last year, and he's shown flashes at this level that he's going to be a very good pro one day.

Hardy didn't shoot it great, but he was able to get where he wanted to on the floor whenever he wanted. His shot creation is already elite. And this team definitely lacks **** creators. If Eason, Sochan, and Brown are gone, I'd definitely wouldn't hate taking a chance on a high ceiling player like Hardy.
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Post#797 » by rosenthall » Sun Jun 5, 2022 5:00 pm

Jvaughn wrote:Okay been watching Jaden Hardy game film (not highlight tape) all week, and I'm back on the train. He was extremely inefficient, but so was Kuminga last year, and he's shown flashes at this level that he's going to be a very good pro one day.

Hardy didn't shoot it great, but he was able to get where he wanted to on the floor whenever he wanted. His shot creation is already elite. And this team definitely lacks **** creators. If Eason, Sochan, and Brown are gone, I'd definitely wouldn't hate taking a chance on a high ceiling player like Hardy.


I have Hardy on my list of guys that I want too. If you watch him play it's clear he can create a lot of unique shots for himself at an NBA level. It'd probably take a year or two for him to get used to the game, but he has some of the highest upside of anyone at his draft position.
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Post#798 » by Jvaughn » Sun Jun 5, 2022 5:36 pm

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Jvaughn wrote:Okay been watching Jaden Hardy game film (not highlight tape) all week, and I'm back on the train. He was extremely inefficient, but so was Kuminga last year, and he's shown flashes at this level that he's going to be a very good pro one day.

Hardy didn't shoot it great, but he was able to get where he wanted to on the floor whenever he wanted. His shot creation is already elite. And this team definitely lacks **** creators. If Eason, Sochan, and Brown are gone, I'd definitely wouldn't hate taking a chance on a high ceiling player like Hardy.


I have Hardy on my list of guys that I want too. If you watch him play it's clear he can create a lot of unique shots for himself at an NBA level. It'd probably take a year or two for him to get used to the game, but he has some of the highest upside of anyone at his draft position.


Yeah, that's what I'm seeing. Reminds me of the Anfernee Simons development arc. Gotta be patient with him, but he has the tools to be a top level scorer at the next level. In 2-3 years, he should definitely be a 2nd or 3rd option.
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Liddell just fits the mold for AKME based on their last two drafts. Defensive and positional versatility/switchability. I think they go the route they took last year with a junior year draftee that can play on both ends. Liddell is farther along defensively than on the offensive end, but if he is indeed putting up TEN OF THOUSANDS of jump shots at the Camp in California then he's not going to be a black hole on the offensive end as the 4th or 5th option. All he needs to do is hit corner 3s at 35% or higher. When we need stops I can see him sharing the front line with Patrick while Caruso and Ball handle the back court opposition. The more I hear his interviews and read what his coach has to say about him the more I hope we draft the kid. OK, so maybe he's not projecting to be a super star in Year 4. That's not our timeline anyway. We need a guy that can play steady rotation minutes right away. And Liddell gives you that. We don't want Patrick playing more than 30 minutes a game, and you never know if he'll suffer some other freak injury. Some guys are just snake bit that way. I really like the way Liddell slides on defense to keep himself between the player he's guarding and the hoop. He's just a fundamentally sound player. He had the second highest vertical among front court players at the Combine. His block numbers at Ohio State were great. I just hope he doesn't get picked at 16 or 17.

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