Bears 2023 thread V

[fleet]

If we want to point out Love, let us point out things around him.

2019 (Love was still in college) GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and another Offensive assistant was Stenavich
2020 (Love was drafted) QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and Stenavich
2021 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and another Offensive assistant was Stenavich
2022 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC Stenavich
2023 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Love, HC-LaFleur, OC Stenavich

Notice a trend?

The same GM and HC were already in place even before Love was drafted. Love has only known one GM and one HC, and has been in the NFL a year longer than Fields.
Two OC's in that entire time, with current OC (Stenavich) learning from the prior OC, and both of them were in GB prior to Love being drafted.....thus the same system.

I don't necessarily want to point out Love (at least in comparison to Fields), but I was forced to after I made the sin of complimenting Love. You make fair points. But I think CJ Stroud is blowing a lot of the excuses for Fields out of the water.

[dice]

I understand losing patience with Justin, i really do. I mean as a Bulls fan I’m done with Pat.

But some of our comments are going to look very foolish if we end up with something worse than Fields especially if Fields goes elsewhere and gets his weaknesses fixed and all talents unlocked.

Play to win. Can’t try to lead from fear.

Pick the best QB and move fwd. if that Fields than do it.

I always said Poles should evaluate Stroud, Young, Richardson, Fields and Levis, and choose one. He may have done just that. Would he make another ranked choice in ‘24? He has an incredibly unlikely chance to try again

given that he still has fields, and richardson an levis were not taken at the top of the draft, it was virtually automatic that he would get another chance to make a viable alternative pick to fields in 2024. at least a 2nd tier guy in the range where fields was taken. or combining the picks and trading up. lucking into the panthers being top 3 bad again? yes, pretty unlikely

[dice]

If we want to point out Love, let us point out things around him.

2019 (Love was still in college) GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and another Offensive assistant was Stenavich
2020 (Love was drafted) QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and Stenavich
2021 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and another Offensive assistant was Stenavich
2022 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC Stenavich
2023 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Love, HC-LaFleur, OC Stenavich

Notice a trend?

The same GM and HC were already in place even before Love was drafted. Love has only known one GM and one HC, and has been in the NFL a year longer than Fields.
Two OC's in that entire time, with current OC (Stenavich) learning from the prior OC, and both of them were in GB prior to Love being drafted.....thus the same system.

I don't necessarily want to point out Love (at least in comparison to Fields), but I was forced to after I made the sin of complimenting Love. You make fair points. But I think CJ Stroud is blowing a lot of the excuses for Fields out of the water.

as he is blowing out of the water the excuses that EVERY GM IN THE LEAGUE w/o a star QB had to trade up to #2!

at least poles had a bird in hand w/ fields. what excuses did the other teams w/o a QB have? the answer, of course, is...

there was no advance indication stroud would be this good. and nobody succeeds in retrospect

[fleet]

If we want to point out Love, let us point out things around him.

2019 (Love was still in college) GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and another Offensive assistant was Stenavich
2020 (Love was drafted) QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and Stenavich
2021 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and another Offensive assistant was Stenavich
2022 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC Stenavich
2023 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Love, HC-LaFleur, OC Stenavich

Notice a trend?

The same GM and HC were already in place even before Love was drafted. Love has only known one GM and one HC, and has been in the NFL a year longer than Fields.
Two OC's in that entire time, with current OC (Stenavich) learning from the prior OC, and both of them were in GB prior to Love being drafted.....thus the same system.

I don't necessarily want to point out Love (at least in comparison to Fields), but I was forced to after I made the sin of complimenting Love. You make fair points. But I think CJ Stroud is blowing a lot of the excuses for Fields out of the water.

as he is blowing out of the water the excuses that EVERY GM IN THE LEAGUE w/o a star QB had to trade up to #2!

there was no advance indication stroud would be this good. and nobody succeeds in retrospect

There was no possible way to predict just how good CJ Stroud is. Granted. Was there a possible way to come to a conclusion that the Bears should have taken a shot at drafting a good quarterback last season with the #1 overall? I think so. Historically, that's what happens. Poles basically has chosen Fields over that option, and he would have had to live with that decision good or bad, but the Panthers have provided the unlikely chance to live another day with that original option.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

If we want to point out Love, let us point out things around him.

2019 (Love was still in college) GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and another Offensive assistant was Stenavich
2020 (Love was drafted) QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and Stenavich
2021 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and another Offensive assistant was Stenavich
2022 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC Stenavich
2023 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Love, HC-LaFleur, OC Stenavich

Notice a trend?

The same GM and HC were already in place even before Love was drafted. Love has only known one GM and one HC, and has been in the NFL a year longer than Fields.
Two OC's in that entire time, with current OC (Stenavich) learning from the prior OC, and both of them were in GB prior to Love being drafted.....thus the same system.

I don't necessarily want to point out Love (at least in comparison to Fields), but I was forced to after I made the sin of complimenting Love. You make fair points. But I think CJ Stroud is blowing a lot of the excuses for Fields out of the water.

Well how dare you compliment a Packer?

Anyways Stroud is blowing a lot of excuses for a lot of qb’s. We’ll see if he sustains his success. Lots of times the league adjusts and the player is unable to counter. I liked Stroud after the combine and hopefully for him he can continue it.

[Michael Jackson]

If we want to point out Love, let us point out things around him.

2019 (Love was still in college) GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and another Offensive assistant was Stenavich
2020 (Love was drafted) QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and Stenavich
2021 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC-Hackett, and another Offensive assistant was Stenavich
2022 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Rodgers, HC-LaFleur, OC Stenavich
2023 - GM-Gutekunst, QB-Love, HC-LaFleur, OC Stenavich

Notice a trend?

The same GM and HC were already in place even before Love was drafted. Love has only known one GM and one HC, and has been in the NFL a year longer than Fields.
Two OC's in that entire time, with current OC (Stenavich) learning from the prior OC, and both of them were in GB prior to Love being drafted.....thus the same system.

I don't necessarily want to point out Love (at least in comparison to Fields), but I was forced to after I made the sin of complimenting Love. You make fair points. But I think CJ Stroud is blowing a lot of the excuses for Fields out of the water.

TBH I tink both are fair points. One GB has a better organization and that can't be argued. They have had better luck too... but JF1 was not in the best position to succeed with the constant changes. Cutler had a bit of that and he was far more mature. Relly if we had stuck with Mr Smith whom everyone hated... it would have been better overall. Same with Thibs etc.... AKME and the continuity thing is a joke but there is something there.

[dice]

I don't necessarily want to point out Love (at least in comparison to Fields), but I was forced to after I made the sin of complimenting Love. You make fair points. But I think CJ Stroud is blowing a lot of the excuses for Fields out of the water.

as he is blowing out of the water the excuses that EVERY GM IN THE LEAGUE w/o a star QB had to trade up to #2!

there was no advance indication stroud would be this good. and nobody succeeds in retrospect

There was no possible way to predict just how good CJ Stroud is. Granted. Was there a possible way to come to a conclusion that the Bears should have taken a shot at drafting a good quarterback last season with the #1 overall? I think so. Historically, that's what happens. Poles basically has chosen Fields over that option, and he would have had to live with that decision good or bad, but the Panthers have provided the unlikely chance to live another day with that original option.

historically, teams in a position to take a top QB prospect do not have one that was taken #11 and showed promise in year 2. has any team in such a position ever drafted another QB in the history of the league? were there even a significant number of similar scenarios?

there's a reason why there were no gasps of surprise when the carolina trade was announced

[fleet]

as he is blowing out of the water the excuses that EVERY GM IN THE LEAGUE w/o a star QB had to trade up to #2!

there was no advance indication stroud would be this good. and nobody succeeds in retrospect

There was no possible way to predict just how good CJ Stroud is. Granted. Was there a possible way to come to a conclusion that the Bears should have taken a shot at drafting a good quarterback last season with the #1 overall? I think so. Historically, that's what happens. Poles basically has chosen Fields over that option, and he would have had to live with that decision good or bad, but the Panthers have provided the unlikely chance to live another day with that original option.

historically, teams in a position to take a top QB prospect do not have one that was taken #11 and showed promise in year 2. scenarios?

there's a reason why there were no gasps of surprise when the carolina trade was announced

How are we defining promise?

There were a few outspoken voices in the howling wind that were calling for a Fields trade, and'or for the Bears to move on. Which have only gotten louder and more numerous since the Panthers have face planted this season. I think smart people are rare. Dumb and average people are common. But we still don't know who anybody identifies with. Poles might be a JAG GM. Might be smart and rare, might be dumb. A decision to draft a quarterback last seaon made sense. Whether or not one wanted the Bears to make that decision, or if the decision would have been an upset.

[Michael Jackson]

There was no possible way to predict just how good CJ Stroud is. Granted. Was there a possible way to come to a conclusion that the Bears should have taken a shot at drafting a good quarterback last season with the #1 overall? I think so. Historically, that's what happens. Poles basically has chosen Fields over that option, and he would have had to live with that decision good or bad, but the Panthers have provided the unlikely chance to live another day with that original option.

historically, teams in a position to take a top QB prospect do not have one that was taken #11 and showed promise in year 2. scenarios?

there's a reason why there were no gasps of surprise when the carolina trade was announced

How are we defining promise?

There were a few outspoken voices in the howling wind that were calling for a Fields trade, and'or for the Bears to move on. Which have only gotten louder and more numerous since the Panthers have face planted this season. I think smart people are rare. Dumb and average people are common. But we still don't know who anybody identifies with. Poles might be a JAG GM. Might be smart and rare, might be dumb. A decision to draft a quarterback last seaon made sense. Whether or not one wanted the Bears to make that decision, or if the decision would have been an upset.

Agreed, but if this draft provides luck (not Andrew) in say Caleb, Maye, Pennix, Nix or JJ etc... and that is the hit, well seems smart. Unlikely that the Bears were ever taking Stroud and he looks legit for sure (yet Kapernick did too rookie season) but you get the point. Luck of the draw and they get the right guy and maybe MHJ all sins are forgiven. Who knows. So much luck involved

[dice]

There was no possible way to predict just how good CJ Stroud is. Granted. Was there a possible way to come to a conclusion that the Bears should have taken a shot at drafting a good quarterback last season with the #1 overall? I think so. Historically, that's what happens. Poles basically has chosen Fields over that option, and he would have had to live with that decision good or bad, but the Panthers have provided the unlikely chance to live another day with that original option.

historically, teams in a position to take a top QB prospect do not have one that was taken #11 and showed promise in year 2. scenarios?

there's a reason why there were no gasps of surprise when the carolina trade was announced

How are we defining promise?

There were a few outspoken voices in the howling wind that were calling for a Fields trade, and'or for the Bears to move on.

there are in most discussions. but i don't see any rational reason why anyone should have been worked up about it whatever the decision happened to be last season. had he drafted a QB and traded fields the reasonable reaction would have been "damn that's ballsy. this had better work out!" and of course we probably would have taken bryce and been up **** creek for years to come. maybe justin would be thriving under better coaching elsewhere too

Which have only gotten louder and more numerous since the Panthers have face planted this season.

of course. fields hasn't to date progressed as hoped. if that continues and the bears have the opportunity to take one of the top 2 QBs it would be an entirely flipped reaction if poles again chose to stick w/ fields. and rightfully so

and btw, it's just as irrational to blame poles for missing on stroud as it would be to speculate that "well, he probably figured bryce would struggle as a rookie and the panthers would suck this year. and he poached DJ to ensure it would happen! genius!"

Poles might be a JAG GM. Might be smart and rare, might be dumb.

i think it's pretty clear he's neither. for me right now he's veered more toward the latter camp...but not because of missing on the 2023 QB carousel

[fleet]

dice, you're the arbiter of rationality, I very much reject the assumption that Poles would have drafted Young just because the Panthers did. Or of some interpretation of media “consensus”. For one, the Panthers owner is said to have made that call for Young over the GM. And, Young is not Poles' type of athlete. And if it was Stroud for the Bears, I would be the one calling him a genius. Results make the grade. Pretty mixed so far on the quarterback decisions.

[Dresden]

I don't know if it's worth worrying about whether we missed the boat on Stroud or not. I saw a ranking today and he was only 12th in the league in QBR. While that's great for a rookie on a bad team, it's not earth shattering. And we will in all likelihood wind up with either Caleb or Drake Maye, both of whom are giving every indication of being the kind of prospects that would go #1 in most years. Recently, maybe only Trevor Lawrence would be in the same league as those two in terms of potential.

So we're sitting pretty. And on top of that, we have our own pick, which will be top 7 or top 5. Things are looking pretty bright.

[Bandit King]

They might give Eberflus another year and fire Getsy. Otherwise they have to pay another coach to sit and make free money.

If that happens they might give Justin a 4th year to turn it around which is rare and Bagnet as backup.

Most qbs are judged in a 3 years timeline.

Justin has had too many chances and not enough wins even surrounded with playmakers.

Kmet, Moore, Mooney, and that Packers TE they have and don't even use would be enough with Byrce Young or Stroud.

[JustBuzzin]

Panthers fan here...

Since you guys will likely get the #1 pick via us. How about trading us Justin Fields in the offseason for a 3rd round pick?

Bryce Young doesn't look like he has the skills to be a franchise QB. I honestly think Fields has a better chance at finding success moving forward.

[HoopsterJones]

Panthers fan here...

Since you guys will likely get the #1 pick via us. How about trading us Justin Fields in the offseason for a 3rd round pick?

Bryce Young doesn't look like he has the skills to be a franchise QB. I honestly think Fields has a better chance at finding success moving forward.

If that is the absolute best offer on the table, then the Bears should consider it. Especially if they have decided to draft a QB they believe can be a franchise level QB.

I think the Bears might be able to get a 2nd round pick depending on how Justin Fields finishes the season. Trey Lance who hasn’t shown the ability to be a starter in the NFL was traded for the DAL 4th round pick (likely near the end of the round).

[Jeffster81]

They might give Eberflus another year and fire Getsy. Otherwise they have to pay another coach to sit and make free money.

Flus has shown nothing to justify bringing him back for another season. Firing Getsy, does nothing for Flus. Imo, Bears will have a new HC next year. If they don't, then the Bears will have another dumpster fire season.

[JockItch43]

They might give Eberflus another year and fire Getsy. Otherwise they have to pay another coach to sit and make free money.

Flus has shown nothing to justify bringing him back for another season. Firing Getsy, does nothing for Flus. Imo, Bears will have a new HC next year. If they don't, then the Bears will have another dumpster fire season.

Agreed… and then when they fire Eberflus the year after in this scenario, the new guy is going to want to bring in his own OC. This idea is so bad the Bears might actually hire Bandit King as the next GM.

[molepharmer]

Some big games tomorrow for draft positioning:

Car (1-9) vs Tenn (3-7)
NE (2-8) vs NYG (3-8)
LAR (4-6) vs Ari (2-9)

and a bit lesser so....
TB (4-6) vs Ind (5-5)
NO (5-5) vs Atl (4-6)

[fleet]

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[MAQ]

I'm just gonna assume the Bears have been to every other MHJ game this season.