Bears 11.0: Free Agency, College Pro days, Draft & beyond

[Dresden]

For me, players I Must draft at 10:
Mason Graham
Will Campbell
Kelvin Banks
Ashton Jeanty

No trade outs or back, all 4 would be immediate impact starters. I feel good at 10 since I believe at least 1 of those guys would be available.

Don’t want Tyler Warren at 10 at all. Good player, NOT bowers, more of a better Kmet. I would rather Fannin / Arriyo, Taylor at 41 or 72 over Warren for the Bears. Kmet is inline TE and we need a Y pass catching TE.

Also don’t get the Membou hype at all. Classic combine draft riser. Good prospect, but is a project not a finished product. A lot of loafs on tape for Membou and effort looks like he doesn’t love football.


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What do you make of the concerns that Campbell and Banks may not be able to play LT in the NFL?

I have been following Draft Dr Phil at the Tape Never Lies Network for a few drafts now. Phil and his dad are O-line coaches and break down tape live of all these prospects over 5-6 games.

The tape shows that Banks and Campbell have the footwork, power and athleticism to play LT. It’s lazy analysis to look at measurables like 1/4 of an inch arm length and disregard years of excellent tape.


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Interesting. I guess the question then becomes, are we better off going LT at 10, then RB in round 2, or vice versa?

[Dresden]

WR1 isn’t dependent on who’s lining up inside/outside. if johnson wants to use moore in the slot he’ll play there in 3WR sets and play outside in 2WR sets. (and zaccheaus has experience playing outside, so we wouldn’t be reliant on a rookie to produce right away)

Amon St. Brown plays in the slot I believe, and he gets a ton of targets, so if that's DJ's concern...

[Chi town]

I don’t think DJ is nearly shifty enough to be full time slot.

I want Restrepo in the 3rd round. Think he’s the next Kupp.

[fleet]

For me, players I Must draft at 10:
Mason Graham
Will Campbell
Kelvin Banks
Ashton Jeanty

No trade outs or back, all 4 would be immediate impact starters. I feel good at 10 since I believe at least 1 of those guys would be available.

Don’t want Tyler Warren at 10 at all. Good player, NOT bowers, more of a better Kmet. I would rather Fannin / Arriyo, Taylor at 41 or 72 over Warren for the Bears. Kmet is inline TE and we need a Y pass catching TE.

Also don’t get the Membou hype at all. Classic combine draft riser. Good prospect, but is a project not a finished product. A lot of loafs on tape for Membou and effort looks like he doesn’t love football.


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What do you make of the concerns that Campbell and Banks may not be able to play LT in the NFL?

I have been following Draft Dr Phil at the Tape Never Lies Network for a few drafts now. Phil and his dad are O-line coaches and break down tape live of all these prospects over 5-6 games.

The tape shows that Banks and Campbell have the footwork, power and athleticism to play LT. It’s lazy analysis to look at measurables like 1/4 of an inch arm length and disregard years of excellent tape.

Campbell’s combine measurements would mean the Bears would be breaking historical new ground with wingspan/arm length to play him at LT. That’s not a confidence inspiring move to draft him at 10 to play LT. That’s a nail-biting move when the Bears could conceivably draft safer bets at other positions which are more the strength of the draft. We don’t need to reach here. Maybe Campbell can be called a top 10 prospect, but if he’s not drafted to be a guard, it is super reachy/risky. Depending on how his pro day measurements ameliorated the questions.

[Almost Retired]

I don’t think DJ is nearly shifty enough to be full time slot.

I want Restrepo in the 3rd round. Think he’s the next Kupp.

I was high on Restrepo too, before the combine. Ben Johnson prefers speed. Restrepo might do OK be there are other WRs with higher potential I think. If we can trade down and pick up another 2nd I'd use it on Jaylin Noel of Iowa State. Perfect slot receiver. Off the charts measurables: 41.5" Vertical (98th percentile); 134 " Broad Jump (99th perentile); and 4.34 speed. Good hands. Decent blocker. Was effective receiving at all 3 levels. Projected as a late 2nd rounder.

[1985Bear]

What do you make of the concerns that Campbell and Banks may not be able to play LT in the NFL?

I have been following Draft Dr Phil at the Tape Never Lies Network for a few drafts now. Phil and his dad are O-line coaches and break down tape live of all these prospects over 5-6 games.

The tape shows that Banks and Campbell have the footwork, power and athleticism to play LT. It’s lazy analysis to look at measurables like 1/4 of an inch arm length and disregard years of excellent tape.


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Interesting. I guess the question then becomes, are we better off going LT at 10, then RB in round 2, or vice versa?

LT over RB at 10 would be my overall draft philosophy based on positional value. When it comes to top 15 picks in Round 1, I also believe in BPA who will be an “immediate impact starter”.

In this draft, I feel Jeanty is the Top prospect and if we get him at 10, he will be a top 7 back this year and top 3 going forward. I like him better than Bijan. Bears need elite high end talent on this team and not in a position to pass on it at 10. So if Jeanty is on the board, I would draft him and hope that Ersery is there at 39. If Jeanty is gone, I punt on RB til later and draft Campbell/ Banks at 10.

Brett Kollmann. Is another good tape analyst, and he described the success of a running game as:
The O Line sets the floor of how good a running game you have and the Rb sets the ceiling.

Since Bears added 3 Major upgrades to o Line, I like how high the Floor is already, and adding Jeanty would make us a top 5 running game team.

Raiders on the other hand have a terrible O line, so Adding Jeanty would help their run game but would not make it elite. Look at Giants with Barkley, they had a middle of the road O line, drafted Saquan, and line got worse (Yards before contact). Barkley helped but really wasted years of his talent since they never addressed o line.


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[1985Bear]

What do you make of the concerns that Campbell and Banks may not be able to play LT in the NFL?

I have been following Draft Dr Phil at the Tape Never Lies Network for a few drafts now. Phil and his dad are O-line coaches and break down tape live of all these prospects over 5-6 games.

The tape shows that Banks and Campbell have the footwork, power and athleticism to play LT. It’s lazy analysis to look at measurables like 1/4 of an inch arm length and disregard years of excellent tape.

Campbell’s combine measurements would mean the Bears would be breaking historical new ground with wingspan/arm length to play him at LT. That’s not a confidence inspiring move to draft him at 10 to play LT. That’s a nail-biting move when the Bears could conceivably draft safer bets at other positions which are more the strength of the draft. We don’t need to reach here. Maybe Campbell can be called a top 10 prospect, but if he’s not drafted to be a guard, it is super reachy/risky. Depending on how his pro day measurements ameliorated the questions.

Yep. Historical new ground for a stat that is getting less and less meaningful. It’s measured armpit to fingertip.

Penie Sewell 33 1/4 arm length
Will Campbell 33 arm length

That’s less than the knuckle to tip of a finger. Skowronski was a guard going into draft because he lacked footwork and athleticism but the media hype was his short arms that did it.

Guys like Jurko and Olin say Campbell has the technique to play LT. Guys like Carm and Hoge talk arm length.

Campbell has played elite LT for 3 years in the SEC and was considered the top OT for past 2 seasons. He handled Will Anderson a few years ago and has let up 2 sacks in 3 years!!


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[fleet]

I have been following Draft Dr Phil at the Tape Never Lies Network for a few drafts now. Phil and his dad are O-line coaches and break down tape live of all these prospects over 5-6 games.

The tape shows that Banks and Campbell have the footwork, power and athleticism to play LT. It’s lazy analysis to look at measurables like 1/4 of an inch arm length and disregard years of excellent tape.

Campbell’s combine measurements would mean the Bears would be breaking historical new ground with wingspan/arm length to play him at LT. That’s not a confidence inspiring move to draft him at 10 to play LT. That’s a nail-biting move when the Bears could conceivably draft safer bets at other positions which are more the strength of the draft. We don’t need to reach here. Maybe Campbell can be called a top 10 prospect, but if he’s not drafted to be a guard, it is super reachy/risky. Depending on how his pro day measurements ameliorated the questions.

Yep. Historical new ground for a stat that is getting less and less meaningful. It’s measured armpit to fingertip.

Penie Sewell 33 1/4 arm length
Will Campbell 33 arm length

That’s less than the knuckle to tip of a finger. Skowronski was a guard going into draft because he lacked footwork and athleticism but the media hype was his short arms that did it.

Guys like Jurko and Olin say Campbell has the technique to play LT. Guys like Carm and Hoge talk arm length.

Campbell has played elite LT for 3 years in the SEC and was considered the top OT for past 2 seasons. He handled Will Anderson a few years ago and has let up 2 sacks in 3 years!!


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These numbers are out there for real reasons, Hoge and Carm notwithstanding. Ask scouts why.

Like I said, “depending on how much his pro day measurements ameliorated the questions”. By the way, arm length is only part of the question. Campbell’s wingspan is also unusually small on top of arm length, which expands concerns. Not sure if the players you bring up have similar wingspan questions or not.

[patryk7754]

I think there's a legit question on if Campbell drops to 10. Giants, Raiders, Patriots, and Jets desperately need OL. Jags, Panthers, and Saints could all use OL but maybe not as a top need. I think there's a decent chance we are picking the 2nd or 3rd rated prospect at OT by the time we're on the clock.

Ultimately, you can't get mad at drafting a OT at 10. Although I don't think it would be the best value at 10, I can live with the Campbell pick as long as the plan is to have him compete for LT and not be a backup guard. Drafting a backup guard is just about the only thing that would upset me in the 1st.

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[Dresden]

I have been following Draft Dr Phil at the Tape Never Lies Network for a few drafts now. Phil and his dad are O-line coaches and break down tape live of all these prospects over 5-6 games.

The tape shows that Banks and Campbell have the footwork, power and athleticism to play LT. It’s lazy analysis to look at measurables like 1/4 of an inch arm length and disregard years of excellent tape.


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Interesting. I guess the question then becomes, are we better off going LT at 10, then RB in round 2, or vice versa?

LT over RB at 10 would be my overall draft philosophy based on positional value. When it comes to top 15 picks in Round 1, I also believe in BPA who will be an “immediate impact starter”.

In this draft, I feel Jeanty is the Top prospect and if we get him at 10, he will be a top 7 back this year and top 3 going forward. I like him better than Bijan. Bears need elite high end talent on this team and not in a position to pass on it at 10. So if Jeanty is on the board, I would draft him and hope that Ersery is there at 39. If Jeanty is gone, I punt on RB til later and draft Campbell/ Banks at 10.

Brett Kollmann. Is another good tape analyst, and he described the success of a running game as:
The O Line sets the floor of how good a running game you have and the Rb sets the ceiling.

Since Bears added 3 Major upgrades to o Line, I like how high the Floor is already, and adding Jeanty would make us a top 5 running game team.

Raiders on the other hand have a terrible O line, so Adding Jeanty would help their run game but would not make it elite. Look at Giants with Barkley, they had a middle of the road O line, drafted Saquan, and line got worse (Yards before contact). Barkley helped but really wasted years of his talent since they never addressed o line.


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I agree on the need for high end talent- the Bears have very few players that can be considered "elite". We need to get someone that fits that at 10. If that's Jeanty, take him. If it's the CB from MI, take him. Or Mason Graham. I would not even be averse to taking Tet McMillan should he fall, although I'd prefer Jeanty.

There also seems to be the thought that you can get a good RB anywhere in the draft, but look at Roschon Johnson for an example of how that philosophy doesn't always work out. Or Travis Ebner. I think Kaleb Johnson or a few other guys would also be fine, if we wait to take a back until rounds 2-3, but Jeanty, and probably Hampton, would bring up the running game to a whole other level, where it would be a real weapon.

[Dresden]

I have been following Draft Dr Phil at the Tape Never Lies Network for a few drafts now. Phil and his dad are O-line coaches and break down tape live of all these prospects over 5-6 games.

The tape shows that Banks and Campbell have the footwork, power and athleticism to play LT. It’s lazy analysis to look at measurables like 1/4 of an inch arm length and disregard years of excellent tape.

Campbell’s combine measurements would mean the Bears would be breaking historical new ground with wingspan/arm length to play him at LT. That’s not a confidence inspiring move to draft him at 10 to play LT. That’s a nail-biting move when the Bears could conceivably draft safer bets at other positions which are more the strength of the draft. We don’t need to reach here. Maybe Campbell can be called a top 10 prospect, but if he’s not drafted to be a guard, it is super reachy/risky. Depending on how his pro day measurements ameliorated the questions.

Yep. Historical new ground for a stat that is getting less and less meaningful. It’s measured armpit to fingertip.

Penie Sewell 33 1/4 arm length
Will Campbell 33 arm length

That’s less than the knuckle to tip of a finger. Skowronski was a guard going into draft because he lacked footwork and athleticism but the media hype was his short arms that did it.

Guys like Jurko and Olin say Campbell has the technique to play LT. Guys like Carm and Hoge talk arm length.

Campbell has played elite LT for 3 years in the SEC and was considered the top OT for past 2 seasons. He handled Will Anderson a few years ago and has let up 2 sacks in 3 years!!


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FWIW, both Brad Biggs and Tom Thayer also are in favor of taking Campbell.

[nomorezorro]

a bunch of local and national media guys were in favor of us taking peter skoronski too and we didn't

i'll believe ryan poles is drafting a short-armed guy to play OT when i see it

[Dresden]

10. Chicago Bears

USA TODAY: Will Campbell, OL, LSU

CBS Sports: Will Campbell

NFL.com: Will Campbell

ESPN: Ashton Jeanty, RB, Boise State

[Dresden]

And a lot of people think we're taking one this time too.

[1985Bear]

One last note on media coverage, is that these “reporters” get paid by agents to talk guys up.

Not all of them, but it happens. This is lying season by everyone: coaches GMs agents all trying to get their guys to move up or talk up guys they have no interest in to hide their pick.

I will be shocked if Membou gets picked ahead of Campbell or even Banks.


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[molepharmer]

Good brief interview of Hoge with Ben from the owners meeting about 30 min ago. Sort of talked about RB, 3 technique, Warren, slot receiver, arm length, etc. Quite a bit of info for such a brief interview.

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[nomorezorro]

dude was glowing in his comments about warren. seemed legitimately noteworthy to me