Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng

[jguerre1]

Honestly after years and years of threads about trades and rumors of people coming here I have no faith the Bulls will ever pull off some blockbuster trade. Its never has happened and likely wont.

As good as coach as Thibs is, these new era stars for the most part (minus Rose) don't want to play for an overbearing coach that will treat them like the rest of the team. They want to be coddled. Can you honestly see someone like Melo buying into the system and playing hard D every game? Best chance would be someone like Love or Aldridge but those are just pipe dreams with teams who have no incentive to trade them right now.

We need an owner who actually cares about the team (like at Dallas/Brooklyn) and just wants to win no matter what. Why should we care if they have to spend millions in luxury taxes, they are are rich beyond belief off these teams. Bulls rake in money winning or not.

[mrlancers]

I feel confident that we can have a trade scenario involving Deng being shipped to all 29 other teams before this thread is done.

[samwana]

If we're going to trade Deng then I hope we go for a full blow up, because this Bulls team without Rose and Deng is bad enough not to contend but too good to get into the lottery. I think we'd be looking at a 6-8 seeding, which is the last place we should want to be right now.

I don't agree, this team without Luol Deng and Rose is gonna be bad. We don't have the backup players to compete this year. Who's gonna handle the ball? Kirk and Noah, but who is gonna create anything at all? At least Deng tries and all the responsibility will be on him again. Like the last 2 seasons, so get ready for a lot of Deng sucks threads around here and really it isn't fair, b/c he is not a #1 option and has to play like it for the third season in a row. If Lu is gone, this team will be in the lottery. We have basically no SG, since Butler is more suited to play SF too, Kirk is playing PG again and we have no one else. MDJ is a SF and more suited to play stretch 4 than SG, so basically we are left with Tony Snell manning the 2 if we trade Deng. Without Lu it is gonna be ugly.

If I was FO I would be around the table with Lu and see what he wants to do, if he wants to stay, then sign him to an extension now, if he wants to leave try and get something done now. But I would try and see how he could stay and what his vision would be for the future. Get him involved like other players get involved in shaping teams. Right now if I was Michael Reinsdorf I would talk to Lu about everything involving the team, see where the players stand and act accordingly. Lu is the guy on the team that is here the longest and knows a thing or two about management/coaches/players/atmosphere etc. Actually I would be more inclined to trade Gibson, Boozer and even Noah right now. (And I'm the biggest Noah fan around, I was celebrating not trading him for Gasol for example) I'd try to get Deng on board with that and go as far as promising him a FO position after his career already.

[GoBlue72391]

If we're going to trade Deng then I hope we go for a full blow up, because this Bulls team without Rose and Deng is bad enough not to contend but too good to get into the lottery. I think we'd be looking at a 6-8 seeding, which is the last place we should want to be right now.

I don't agree, this team without Luol Deng and Rose is gonna be bad. We don't have the backup players to compete this year. Who's gonna handle the ball? Kirk and Noah, but who is gonna create anything at all? At least Deng tries and all the responsibility will be on him again. Like the last 2 seasons, so get ready for a lot of Deng sucks threads around here and really it isn't fair, b/c he is not a #1 option and has to play like it for the third season in a row. If Lu is gone, this team will be in the lottery. We have basically no SG, since Butler is more suited to play SF too, Kirk is playing PG again and we have no one else. MDJ is a SF and more suited to play stretch 4 than SG, so basically we are left with Tony Snell manning the 2 if we trade Deng. Without Lu it is gonna be ugly.

I don't agree at all. Thibs, Jo, Booz, and Jimmy will win us enough games to be a late seed in the weak East.

If I was FO I would be around the table with Lu and see what he wants to do, if he wants to stay, then sign him to an extension now, if he wants to leave try and get something done now. But I would try and see how he could stay and what his vision would be for the future. Get him involved like other players get involved in shaping teams. Right now if I was Michael Reinsdorf I would talk to Lu about everything involving the team, see where the players stand and act accordingly. Lu is the guy on the team that is here the longest and knows a thing or two about management/coaches/players/atmosphere etc. Actually I would be more inclined to trade Gibson, Boozer and even Noah right now. (And I'm the biggest Noah fan around, I was celebrating not trading him for Gasol for example) I'd try to get Deng on board with that and go as far as promising him a FO position after his career already.

That sounds fine, but unlikely IMO.

[whodey]

No team is giving up anywhere near a lottery pick in the deepest draft of all time for Luol Deng.

Bingo. More likely than not, the Bulls are going to get swindled on a Deng deal in terms of immediate impact. Teams aren't in any rush to give up great value for rentals unless they're superstar talents.

The only team willing and able to trade a lottery pick for a Deng rental was Washington, and they already traded their 2014 1st rounder to PHX.

In fact, forget the lottery. I don't see a team trading any 1st rounder for 4 months of Deng.

We'll see about that come January/ February. Teams that feel like they're championship contenders may be willing to make moves to get a lock down defender like Deng on a one year rental. For example, the Clippers. If they're serious about winning now, they need to consider Deng because they'll probably have to get through OKC and either Miami or Indiana. So to have Deng to guard Durant, LBJ, or George would be huge.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Bingo. More likely than not, the Bulls are going to get swindled on a Deng deal in terms of immediate impact. Teams aren't in any rush to give up great value for rentals unless they're superstar talents.

The only team willing and able to trade a lottery pick for a Deng rental was Washington, and they already traded their 2014 1st rounder to PHX.

In fact, forget the lottery. I don't see a team trading any 1st rounder for 4 months of Deng.

We'll see about that come January/ February. Teams that feel like they're championship contenders may be willing to make moves to get a lock down defender like Deng on a one year rental. For example, the Clippers. If they're serious about winning now, they need to consider Deng because they'll probably have to get through OKC and either Miami or Indiana. So to have Deng to guard Durant, LBJ, or George would be huge.

Problem is the Clips don't have expirings to send back. That's true of a lot of teams.

[Jvt13]

What about ditching Deng and trying to get Melo

[dice]

Honestly after years and years of threads about trades and rumors of people coming here I have no faith the Bulls will ever pull off some blockbuster trade. Its never has happened and likely wont.

i assume you mean the garpax era, 'cause there was that whole dennis rodman thing

and both memphis and minny eventually ended up accepting lesser offers for gasol and garnett than we initially offered

there are a whole lotta teams in the league that haven't brought in an immediate impact player in a big trade (that actually ended up being worthwhile). it's not 'cause they're inept, necessarily. it's because there just aren't a lot of such trades out there

not getting much in a trade for luol deng. the only way i can see him being traded is to a contender that needs wing defense

[Ralphb07]

Utah Receives
Luol Deng

Chicago Receives
Andris BIedrins
Alec Burks
Rights to Golden State's 2014 1st Round Pick (Unprotected)

Saves the Bulls $3.073M.

The Bulls aren't getting a better player back and no team is going to trade us their high draft pick for a rental of Deng. If the Bulls get an expiring, a cheap deal, and a pick, that's fine.

In this deal, Utah trades $11M+ in useless salary and a pick for Deng, who will prevent them from playing Richard Jefferson in the lineup and doesn't kill their payroll.

I'd be all for that. Burks isn't great but is a young player for the bench. If Charlotte keeps it up we could have 3 picks in this draft to use as a potential move up 8-10 range.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Utah Receives
Luol Deng

Chicago Receives
Andris BIedrins
Alec Burks
Rights to Golden State's 2014 1st Round Pick (Unprotected)

Saves the Bulls $3.073M.

The Bulls aren't getting a better player back and no team is going to trade us their high draft pick for a rental of Deng. If the Bulls get an expiring, a cheap deal, and a pick, that's fine.

In this deal, Utah trades $11M+ in useless salary and a pick for Deng, who will prevent them from playing Richard Jefferson in the lineup and doesn't kill their payroll.

I'd be all for that. Burks isn't great but is a young player for the bench. If Charlotte keeps it up we could have 3 picks in this draft to use as a potential move up 8-10 range.

Why does Utah, the tankiest team out there, give us a 1st round pick for Luol Deng, who a) plays the same position as their best player and b) compromises their mission to be as bad as possible?

[Ralphb07]

If we're going to trade Deng then I hope we go for a full blow up, because this Bulls team without Rose and Deng is bad enough not to contend but too good to get into the lottery. I think we'd be looking at a 6-8 seeding, which is the last place we should want to be right now.

This team last year had the 20th pick. We don't have Marco and Nate this go around. If we trade Deng we are a fringe playoff team because you'd have to expect Kirk to go down at some point and other injuries. I think we get Charlotte's pick this year which should be 11-14 range but more 11ish IMO. If you have the 11th pick and ours, we can walk away with two good players. Indy's two main players were selected 10th(George) and 17th(Hibbert). We could also package the picks to move up or package one our those two picks and what pick Lu nets to move up for someone.

Obviously a lot depends on that Charlotte pick but from the looks of it, seems like a good chance of getting it this draft.

[Michael Scott]

I personally want a complete overhaul. I understand it may not be perfectly logical, but no time for logical moves right now. just take a bunch of risks.

Do I believe the FO will do anything? There's a better chance of Thibs announcing he is the biological father of Luol Deng.


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[Ralphb07]

Any teams that sends a 2014 1st for Deng will have some sort of protection on it.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

The only teams that'd be interested in a Deng rental are looking to win now.

Here's a list:
San Antonio
Indiana
Portland
Miami
LAC
NYK
Brooklyn
Golden State
MIN
Wizards (making the playoffs this year is really important to them for some reason)
Dallas
OKC

Now I'll take away the teams that are already set at SF:
LAC
NYK (keeping them bc Melo can play PF)
MIN (keeping them bc while Brewer's been great, but Deng would be a clear upgrade)
Wizards
Dallas
OKC (keeping them bc they might want depth)

Now I'll take away the teams that don't have expirings to send back:
Wizards
Dallas
OKC

Now I'll take away the teams that don't have 2014 1st rounders:
OKC

So our best hope for getting a 1st rounder is trading with an OKC team that will play Durant 40 mpg in the playoffs and already has a very serviceable back-up PF in Nick Collison.

I don't like our chances.

[GoBlue72391]

I can only assume that this is pure speculation on K.C. Johnson's part. I don't even think the FO knows what they're going to do right now, let alone K.C.

I expect the FO to put a plan together after Rose gets the surgery and they have a general idea of the recovery time. But even then, it takes a little while to put a plan together.

This could very well be much ado about nothing. At least for now.

[whodey]

Any teams that sends a 2014 1st for Deng will have some sort of protection on it.

Who's the most logical trading partner? I thought the clippers would work but they have a lack of expirings. I just don't see what team that's in the playoff hunt that has the right pieces to facilitate a deal.

Because if it's not a playoff contender, we would have to find a deal for a player that we would prefer over what we can get in free agency. I personally would love Eric Gordon. I would love Afflalo but he's not going anywhere. Orlando has to pay someone and he's a steal on that contract.

[burlydee]

Utah Receives
Luol Deng

Chicago Receives
Andris BIedrins
Alec Burks
Rights to Golden State's 2014 1st Round Pick (Unprotected)

Saves the Bulls $3.073M.

The Bulls aren't getting a better player back and no team is going to trade us their high draft pick for a rental of Deng. If the Bulls get an expiring, a cheap deal, and a pick, that's fine.

In this deal, Utah trades $11M+ in useless salary and a pick for Deng, who will prevent them from playing Richard Jefferson in the lineup and doesn't kill their payroll.

Why would Utah trade a #1 pick and a prospect for a player that they may lose in free agency? Plus, they are tanking.

[burlydee]

The only teams that'd be interested in a Deng rental are looking to win now.

Here's a list:
San Antonio
Indiana
Portland
Miami
LAC
NYK
Brooklyn
Golden State
MIN
Wizards (making the playoffs this year is really important to them for some reason)
Dallas
OKC

Now I'll take away the teams that are already set at SF:
LAC
NYK (keeping them bc Melo can play PF)
MIN (keeping them bc while Brewer's been great, but Deng would be a clear upgrade)
Wizards
Dallas
OKC (keeping them bc they might want depth)

Now I'll take away the teams that don't have expirings to send back:
Wizards
Dallas
OKC

Now I'll take away the teams that don't have 2014 1st rounders:
OKC

So our best hope for getting a 1st rounder is trading with an OKC team that will play Durant 40 mpg in the playoffs and already has a very serviceable back-up PF in Nick Collison.

I don't like our chances.

You left out Cleveland and Detroit. And I don't think the Bulls would just take expirings, I think they would take vets on good contracts or a player on a rookie contract as well.

Nice avatar btw.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

I can only assume that this is pure speculation on K.C. Johnson's part. I don't even think the FO knows what they're going to do right now, let alone K.C.

I expect the FO to put a plan together after Rose gets the surgery and they have a general idea of the recovery time. But even then, it takes a little while to put a plan together.

This could very well be much ado about nothing. At least for now.

I doubt it's pure speculation on K.C.'s part.

K.C. rarely speculates on anything, and when he does, he makes it damn clear that it's just speculation.

Pretty sure he ran the Deng trade report because someone in the FO told him it was true and gave him clearance to publish it.

[jguerre1]

i assume you mean the garpax era, 'cause there was that whole dennis rodman thing

and both memphis and minny eventually ended up accepting lesser offers for gasol and garnett than we initially offered

there are a whole lotta teams in the league that haven't brought in an immediate impact player in a big trade (that actually ended up being worthwhile). it's not 'cause they're inept, necessarily. it's because there just aren't a lot of such trades out there

not getting much in a trade for luol deng. the only way i can see him being traded is to a contender that needs wing defense

Yes I meant in the current era. Just so hard to watch the lack of bold actions and always playing it safe. Not going out there and getting an x-factor that may not be the perfect fit/character but can make a difference (ex. Rodman). We are paying players for playing basketball, not what they do in their spare time.

My problem with the current front office is all we ever here about is avoiding the luxury tax at all costs going forward, but then contradict themselves with saying they wont care if they have a contender. You need to spend to have contender. Any team with a shot at the title needs at least 2 top-tier options on offense.

If you want a contender you need to be bold and be willing to spend lots of money. While that is not a guarantee you are going to win (see Brooklyn) at least you are going out and making a statement and players see that.

Just my opinion.