Re: I don't understand why some fans here hate Wade so much
Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:07 pm
It's funny that people don't realize the cut throat nature of professional sports then ask their stars to "be humble". You just don't that off.
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dougthonus wrote:That's a pretty poor list of comparisons. Those 3 all scored a good bit less than Wade in total and all had significantly lower PERs (12-14s instead of 18).
Three players around age 25 who were similar to Wade last season strictly in terms of scoring were Reggie Jackson, Brandon Knight, and Dion Waiters.
Betta Bulleavit wrote:ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:I dont think anyone here really hates Wade. . . we knew what we were getting out of him, and for the most part pretty much delivered just that.
Maybe get frustrated from time to time, but I think your evaluation is off.
I think that might be your evaluation of Wade , which is very tame and fair. However, the OP is spot on in his recognition that Wade is unjustifiably hated by quite a few posters here. The primary reasons are that some are still scorned by what happened in 2010, while others just want to be as bad as possible and don't want Wade anywhere near this team. I think that both excuses are a bunch of BS but I'm just one guy.
JeremyB0001 wrote:Your list, comparing overall box score stats rather than specifically comparing scoring stats, highlights how Wade's PER is unusually high for a player with such awful scoring efficiency. More than perhaps any other player, his PER is a result of how much he's "filling up the box score." It's also highlighted by the comparison I made to other players with similar shooting efficiency, which you pooh poohed because their PERs were so much lower. Their PERs are lower because they have typical box score stats for guards, whereas Wade puts up tons of points - because he shoots so much more than others with his low efficiency - and racks up lots of blocks, steals, assists, and rebounds for a two guard.
If you want to talk about how good Wade is overall, rather than just as a scorer, the question becomes how much he's helping the team by taking a lot of shots and racking many blocks, steals, rebounds, and assists for a two guard. Is that him being a well-rounded player who helps the team in all sorts of ways? Or are some of those empty stats, some of which derive from him having the ball way more than he should?
JeremyB0001 wrote:If you want to talk about how good Wade is overall, rather than just as a scorer, the question becomes how much he's helping the team by taking a lot of shots and racking many blocks, steals, rebounds, and assists for a two guard. Is that him being a well-rounded player who helps the team in all sorts of ways? Or are some of those empty stats, some of which derive from him having the ball way more than he should?
dougthonus wrote:JeremyB0001 wrote:If you want to talk about how good Wade is overall, rather than just as a scorer, the question becomes how much he's helping the team by taking a lot of shots and racking many blocks, steals, rebounds, and assists for a two guard. Is that him being a well-rounded player who helps the team in all sorts of ways? Or are some of those empty stats, some of which derive from him having the ball way more than he should?
Yes, I'm talking about Wade overall. I didn't think the list I generated was a particularly grand list of players either. There were 2 stars on it, but both scored more and had higher PERs. Everyone else on it was a middle class NBA player and far beneath the max.
I think that's probably a reasonable view of where Wade was last year. A middle class NBA player. Starting caliber, but not a great player. Probably a guy whose performance is worth about 15m a year (if he were 25), maybe a bit less due to lack of defensive ability which isn't covered well in base statistics.
League Circles wrote:I don't really like Wade cause he's now a lazy vet, but last year the biggest problem was how poor of an on court fit he was with Jimmy. That problem should be alleviated this year. So I'm actually expecting him to have a more positive on court impact that he did due to better fit. Which is not ideal as we don't want to win games due to a 35 year old who isn't part of the future.
Ice Man wrote:
Second, to the extent that some do hate him, well there's more than 10 years of history of rooting hard against the guy, plus the sense that maybe he took our paycheck without having much respect for the fans or team.
DanTown8587 wrote:It's funny that people don't realize the cut throat nature of professional sports then ask their stars to "be humble". You just don't that off.
Stratmaster wrote:DanTown8587 wrote:It's funny that people don't realize the cut throat nature of professional sports then ask their stars to "be humble". You just don't that off.
Walter Payton, Gale Sayers, Ernie Banks, Anthony Rizzo, Kris Bryant, Mike Trout, Tim Duncan, David Beckham, Eli Manning, Derek fisher, Jeremy Lin, Dirk Nowitzki, Phil Mickelson and Derrick Jeter all would have something to say about that.
DanTown8587 wrote:Stratmaster wrote:DanTown8587 wrote:It's funny that people don't realize the cut throat nature of professional sports then ask their stars to "be humble". You just don't that off.
Walter Payton, Gale Sayers, Ernie Banks, Anthony Rizzo, Kris Bryant, Mike Trout, Tim Duncan, David Beckham, Eli Manning, Derek fisher, Jeremy Lin, Dirk Nowitzki, Phil Mickelson and Derrick Jeter all would have something to say about that.
I won't get in to the fact that some of those guys are famously not humble because that's not the point. The vast majority of players in professional sports are barely in them and the line between in and out is millions to them. Look where Wade (the guy I mentioned specifically) came from
- Lightly recruited out of the south Suburbs of Chicago
- #5 pick but clearly not in the same conversation as the other guys in that 03 draft at the time
- Criticized for every title he won (06 was stolen by the refs, 12/13 were just riding James)
And I could go on and on. Sure some people are humble and that's great. But many players were born either in to terrible situations that humbleness doesn't help them get out or being humble wouldn't have gotten them to where they are today. I'm not saying "be an ****" but I don't ask my athletes to be humble, especially considering the way many fans treat them in life and on social media.
****. That.
samwana wrote:I won't really hate him, I just hated the signing from the moment the rumor came up.
He stunted the growth of our young guys
He took away the ball from Jimmy
He took Jimmy and made him an even bigger diva
The team played better ball without him
The fit was absolutely horrible
He makes way too much money both these years
Basically this is on GarPax not seeing what the team needed.
This year I would just rather not see him at all in a Bulls uni. He just doesn't fit at all. Not last season not this season.
Stratmaster wrote:DanTown8587 wrote:It's funny that people don't realize the cut throat nature of professional sports then ask their stars to "be humble". You just don't that off.
Walter Payton, Gale Sayers, Ernie Banks, Anthony Rizzo, Kris Bryant, Mike Trout, Tim Duncan, David Beckham, Eli Manning, Derek fisher, Jeremy Lin, Dirk Nowitzki, Phil Mickelson and Derrick Jeter all would have something to say about that.
Stratmaster wrote:DanTown8587 wrote:It's funny that people don't realize the cut throat nature of professional sports then ask their stars to "be humble". You just don't that off.
Walter Payton, Gale Sayers, Ernie Banks, Anthony Rizzo, Kris Bryant, Mike Trout, Tim Duncan, David Beckham, Eli Manning, Derek fisher, Jeremy Lin, Dirk Nowitzki, Phil Mickelson and Derrick Jeter all would have something to say about that.