How many wins this year?

logical_art · Post #81 » by **logical_art** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:00 pm

bpguimaraes23 wrote:
coldfish wrote:This whole question has to almost be divided into "if healthy" and not. The Bulls have a lot of fragile players and if a number of them miss a lot of time, the floor is pretty low.

The Bulls basically were never healthy last year. Not once. By the time they got Otto, Wendell was gone. As a result, projecting a fully healthy lineup is purely subjective. There is no data on it.

Beyond that, the team has an absolutely horrible bench. Even when the starters did OK, the bench would ruin things. I expect the bench to be significantly better this year.

The team next year is a wild ass guess. So many variables that its hard to predict. There is nothing that you can take from last year and project forward.

The team is still thin at the wings, witch is very problematic.

BR0D1E86 · Post #82 » by **BR0D1E86** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:05 pm

35-ish with good luck with health. So probably closer to about 30-31 with average luck.

JohnnyKILLroy · Post #83 » by **JohnnyKILLroy** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:09 pm

panthermark wrote:
JohnnyKILLroy wrote:
panthermark wrote:Really?

Yes - all day err day.

I think only injuries could hold us back.

OK....good!
Your optimism counters my pessimism. This board needs that!

I heart you.

drosereturn · Post #84 » by **drosereturn** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:42 pm

30-45 win team depending on health.

poolshark52 · Post #85 » by **poolshark52** » Mon Jul 1, 2019 9:43 pm

I'm saying 33 wins

Butler4thewin · Post #86 » by **Butler4thewin** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 2:32 am

My predictions for next season is the bulls will surprise alot of people and be going deep into the playoffs next year I dont know how deep but I feel we wont be wanting any free agents after next season and just keep our guys ........what's your guys prediction for next season

Post #87 » by **kulaz3000** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 2:34 am

I suggest adding a poll.

Considering where we stand as a team currently (and things could still change), if the Bulls win less than 35 wins, I'd be extremely disappointed. Anything more than that, it would be great, because it would mean that certain players have made a step and I'd be ecstatic about that.

Post #88 » by **CBS7** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 2:36 am

Better than we were last season, by a lot. They may have been a 22 win team last season, but it wasn't a 22 win roster.

Injuries and no bench on top of a young team that wasn't projected to win more than 30-35 games anyways will take you to 22 wins.

Post #89 » by **Payt10** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 2:39 am

Fringe playoff team. Depends on health and the development of their younger players. 35-40 wins.

Hangtime84 · Post #90 » by **Hangtime84** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 2:42 am

Playoffs this team yes

jacoby1us · Post #91 » by **jacoby1us** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 2:43 am

I have no faith.
If we’re not in the playoffs and competing it doesn’t matter.

We are in lottery/development HELL. This is old.

Post #92 » by **CBS7** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 2:45 am

Every minute that our huge D-League brigade doesn't play next season is a big improvement.

Harrison, Selden, Blakeney, TLC, Payne, Lemon, Sampson x2, Alkins played 4953 minutes. Archi and Felicio played another 2707. Thats 7660 minutes, or 93 minutes a game, given to D-league talent. Nearly 40% of our minutes for the entire season were taken up by those 11 guys. (For the record, I thought Arci was ok, but he should still be a 3rd PG at best, and Felicio might see some spot minutes this season because of Lopez's departure)

Hopefully:
+ ~60 games of Porter (we were 7-8 with him, and that was after the injury bug hit a bunch of our guys)
+ ~10 games of Lavine
+ ~20 games of Lauri
+ ~30 games of WCJ and Hutch

Plus adding Val, Young, White, Gafford, and Tom, all replacing fringe NBA talent. We have a bench with actual NBA players now.

Not even counting for internal development from guys playing together more and our young guys improving, I think we should be a 35 win team.
If anyone (Lauri, Lavine, WCJ) makes a decent leap (or if White is better than expected), 38-40 wins.
If anyone makes a big leap, or more than one make a decent leap, 43+ wins.

bad knees · Post #93 » by **bad knees** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 2:49 am

I’m feeling good tonight. 50-32.

Post #94 » by **GimmeDat** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 2:58 am

I'm looking at tankathon right now. This is my estimation.

Cavs -------Definitely worse Tier
Knicks
Hornets

Wizards ------ Likely worse Tier (think Beal gets moved which would put them in the bottom tier as well)
Suns
Wolves

Grizz -------- Similar Tier
Hawks
Pistons
Kings

Pelicans -------- Probably Better but we have at least a chance to be better than Tier
Orlando
Dallas
Spurs
Miami

So with that, I would be guessing that we most likely finish in the 7-10 tier (talking reverse order here). Sounds like a marginal improvement, but given our youth and cap situation, I think it's a pretty good situation.

Hey, maybe we do better than 7-10. Orlando did not address their perimeter talent issue at all. Dallas didn't add anything substantial in FA and are relying on KP to come back to his old self post-injury. The Pels are super young and it's probably an optimistic take for me to have them this high. What we do have, especially as it relates to the regular season, is 10+ depth now and we added guys that stay healthy.

We're on the up.. I'm not sure that's true for teams like Spurs, Magic, Pistons. A lot of other decent teams on this list have their future aspirations compromised with bad salary commitments going forward. Our biggest deal is a bargain Lavine on 19.5m. So long term I'm feeling pretty good.

I don't think we make playoffs, it's easy to say 'playoff team' but it would require significant internal growth. It's actually super tough to crack the playoffs.. but we're a big step towards that goal.

Dez · Post #95 » by **Dez** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 3:03 am

jacoby1us wrote:I have no faith.
If we’re not in the playoffs and competing it doesn’t matter.

We are in lottery/development HELL. This is old.

This is just bizarre, we are in no way, shape or form in lottery/development hell.

We've got excellent prospects in multiple positions with high upside.

Kurt Heimlich · Post #96 » by **Kurt Heimlich** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 3:04 am

bad knees wrote:I’m feeling good tonight. 50-32.

I'll have whatever hes having.

dumbell78 · Post #97 » by **dumbell78** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 3:08 am

If healthy 10-15 more wins, so what around 35 wins. Not yet a playoff team.

jacoby1us · Post #98 » by **jacoby1us** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 3:10 am

Dez wrote:
jacoby1us wrote:I have no faith.
If we’re not in the playoffs and competing it doesn’t matter.

We are in lottery/development HELL. This is old.

This is just bizarre, we are in no way, shape or form in lottery/development hell.

We've got excellent prospects in multiple positions with high upside.

So with the youngest roster in the league that just added to more young prospects were not currently developing?

You’re in denial, but your not alone.

ImSlower · Post #99 » by **ImSlower** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 3:26 am

I currently would say 35 wins and I'll be happy. I reserve the right to change both my prediction and my attitude on a game by game hot-take basis.

DanTown8587 · Post #100 » by **DanTown8587** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 3:27 am

The better question instead of just lumping the non-playoffs into two groups is more or less what tier you think the Bulls are in

Tier 1 - Legitimate Title Contender (55+ wins)
Toronto (with Kawhi), Philadelphia, Milwaukee

Tier 2 - One move from a title contender and a guaranteed playoff team (44 - 52 wins)
Boston, Brooklyn

Tier 3 - Solidly in the playoffs but no real way to push the ceiling higher (39 - 47 wins)
Indiana, Miami, Toronto (no Kawhi)

Tier 4 - Could go to tier 3, could go tier 5 (30 - 46 wins)
Detroit, Orlando

Tier 5 - Talented but needs consistency (32 - 42 wins)
Chicago, Atlanta

Tier 6 - How does this team win more than 35 games in any scenario (< 35 wins)
New York, Charlotte, Washington, Cleveland