Buy low guys with superstar upside

[Wingy]

What about Brandon Ingram?

God, would LA allow us to grab him? That would be incredible.

Untapped potential yes, but don't think he qualifies as "buy low" by any means.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

What about Brandon Ingram?

God, would LA allow us to grab him? That would be incredible.

Untapped potential yes, but don't think he qualifies as "buy low" by any means.

There's also the whole also the whole blood clot thing, might be untradeable?

[patryk7754]

God, would LA allow us to grab him? That would be incredible.

Untapped potential yes, but don't think he qualifies as "buy low" by any means.

There's also the whole also the whole blood clot thing, might be untradeable?

If the bulls really do want Ball maybe they have the Lakers throw in Ingrim as well,

[patryk7754]

Isaiah Thomas.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Untapped potential yes, but don't think he qualifies as "buy low" by any means.

There's also the whole also the whole blood clot thing, might be untradeable?

If the bulls really do want Ball maybe they have the Lakers throw in Ingrim as well,

You want to take on 14-15 million of bad money for crappy Lonzo and possibly out Ingram?

[patryk7754]

There's also the whole also the whole blood clot thing, might be untradeable?

If the bulls really do want Ball maybe they have the Lakers throw in Ingrim as well,

You want to take on 14-15 million of bad money for crappy Lonzo and possibly out Ingram?

I don't want Lonzo but the Bulls do. So why not get a guy is is really low risk in Ingrim. He's going into his last season so we dont have to keep him long term. And he started playing an all-star after the trade rumors up until his blood clots.

And lonzo isn't crappy. He has his obvious flaws but crappy is just a bad analysis.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

If the bulls really do want Ball maybe they have the Lakers throw in Ingrim as well,

You want to take on 14-15 million of bad money for crappy Lonzo and possibly out Ingram?

I don't want Lonzo but the Bulls do. So why not get a guy is is really low risk in Ingrim. He's going into his last season so we dont have to keep him long term. And he started playing an all-star after the trade rumors up until his blood clots.

And lonzo isn't crappy. He has his obvious flaws but crappy is just a bad analysis.

Terrible on offense
Injury prone
Expensive

Sounds and looks pretty crappy to me. We've gone into detail about Lonzo's game. Analyzed to death actually.

[Hugi Mancura]

Buy low guys with star upside are usually player who are used incorrectly in their current teams. Usually there are guys who were used as ball handlers in their youth, but now are forced to play as catch & shoot -player or as bench player. These are usually guards like Harden and Curry, but on lower level D.Russell and Oladipo. So to find these you should try to find players who are picked early, but have had bad couple first years. Other group is defensive experts who build offensive game for them. Examples: Butler and K.Leonard. These are harder to find, because only few defensive experts actually can build their offense to a level where they are counted as stars. On both cases these are mainly guards or maybe small forwards. Very rarely big guys can bring something new to their game. It's not unheard of but rare.

So I do think Lonzo is a good pick to make this change. He has the bball IQ. Shooting you can learn (not every one learn) and injuries can be fixed, just watch Curry whose career was over because of injury. Monte Morris from Denver, who has good numbers while playing from bench. Very similar compared to their starter Murray, if comparison done with 36 min. Or Bryn Forbes from Spurs. Good defensive player with some good shooting. But no matter what these kind of finds are always risky. Lonzo needs improvement in his game, while with Morris and Forbes the question is can they keep their production when playing against starters or when they handle the ball more.

[sco]

I thought his contract has a team option this season? If it's a player options, I'd imagine he'd opt out.

It's a player option, Sco, and I agree that he'd opt out since he's only scheduled to make $17.6 million by opting in.

Yes, it would be very odd for him to opt in, he can guarantee a couple extra years easily, and yes, he would help our team, might not solve all of our problems, but he'd be a move in the right direction.

If we nab a PG in draft, JV would be a decent pick-up. I would would love to sign him for $10-12M per year, but I have a hard time seeing us get him for less than $15M/yr. He would definitely make us better, but he is the definition of an average starting C, and I don't like spending $$$ on C's in today's NBA...especially not great defending ones who don't shoot 3's.

I buy low C who might be more interesting would be Nerlens Noel.

[Bulldog23]

Delong Wright might be a good option for Bulls...especially with Memphis drafting Morant. He is a solid point guard..

[Michael Jackson]

Wall has the worse contract in the league, that was the opinion before the Achilles injury. Just no, I'm not even sure he plays next season.

Somewhere Juwan Howard read this and is relieved.

[Rose2Boozer]

Marquese Chriss was a interesting prospect coming out of Washington. He'll be available as a UFA this summer. Chriss could be a cheap pickup with some type of upside.

[Kurt Heimlich]

I so bought into the Dennis Smith Jr hype in the 2017 draft (and wanted him at #7 over Lauri once Isaac went #6) that I still think of him as a total "buy low" candidate.

But when I look at those first two years I worry that being a "buy low" guy is what he will continue to be until there are no buyers left.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

It's a player option, Sco, and I agree that he'd opt out since he's only scheduled to make $17.6 million by opting in.

Yes, it would be very odd for him to opt in, he can guarantee a couple extra years easily, and yes, he would help our team, might not solve all of our problems, but he'd be a move in the right direction.

If we nab a PG in draft, JV would be a decent pick-up. I would would love to sign him for $10-12M per year, but I have a hard time seeing us get him for less than $15M/yr. He would definitely make us better, but he is the definition of an average starting C, and I don't like spending $$$ on C's in today's NBA...especially not great defending ones who don't shoot 3's.

I buy low C who might be more interesting would be Nerlens Noel.

Nerlens......yes. Nice suggestion.

[GimmeDat]

Delong Wright might be a good option for Bulls...especially with Memphis drafting Morant. He is a solid point guard..

I think they're going to keep Wright tbh, he was extremely good after the trade (and has been a good player full stop for a while now). I like you mentioning the name though because he's a good player.

He's going to be 27 next season because he came in to the league really old though. He's also an RFA this off-season so Memphis can match. So I don't think he's going to be 'buy-low'.

I so bought into the Dennis Smith Jr hype in the 2017 draft (and wanted him at #7 over Lauri once Isaac went #6) that I still think of him as a total "buy low" candidate.

But when I look at those first two years I worry that being a "buy low" guy is what he will continue to be until there are no buyers left.

I like DSJ, as long as he's a buy low, too. As it stands right now his reputation is that of an inefficient chucker type, and that's pretty fair. I think as it stands, Dunn might even be a more productive player because he's a better passer and much better defender (even more efficient too).

But if we could grab him for a bargain price, like Dunn + 38 or something, I'd do it. Maybe we could even do a straight swap for Valentine, they could do with an SF. NY seem over him already judging by the talk on their board.

He's toolsy, his defense is improving a bit, his shot seemed to be getting a little bit better before the trade, he's 21 and has the obvious athletic tools. How much that means in the scheme of him sucking so hard so far into his career is the question, but I do think there's upside there.

As you said though, you don't want to be throwing assets at him, there's a good chance he never amounts to anything, he's been really bad so far in his career.

[Kurt Heimlich]

I so bought into the Dennis Smith Jr hype in the 2017 draft (and wanted him at #7 over Lauri once Isaac went #6) that I still think of him as a total "buy low" candidate.

But when I look at those first two years I worry that being a "buy low" guy is what he will continue to be until there are no buyers left.

I like DSJ, as long as he's a buy low, too. As it stands right now his reputation is that of an inefficient chucker type, and that's pretty fair. I think as it stands, Dunn might even be a more productive player because he's a better passer and much better defender (even more efficient too).

But if we could grab him for a bargain price, like Dunn + 38 or something, I'd do it. Maybe we could even do a straight swap for Valentine, they could do with an SF. NY seem over him already judging by the talk on their board.

He's toolsy, his defense is improving a bit, his shot seemed to be getting a little bit better before the trade, he's 21 and has the obvious athletic tools. How much that means in the scheme of him sucking so hard so far into his career is the question, but I do think there's upside there.

As you said though, you don't want to be throwing assets at him, there's a good chance he never amounts to anything, he's been really bad so far in his career.

I dont know NYKs exact cap situation or if they would be looking to clear a little extra but #38 for DSJ straight up maybe would make sense if they want a cheaper roster filler to save another 2M or so.

[GimmeDat]

I so bought into the Dennis Smith Jr hype in the 2017 draft (and wanted him at #7 over Lauri once Isaac went #6) that I still think of him as a total "buy low" candidate.

But when I look at those first two years I worry that being a "buy low" guy is what he will continue to be until there are no buyers left.

I like DSJ, as long as he's a buy low, too. As it stands right now his reputation is that of an inefficient chucker type, and that's pretty fair. I think as it stands, Dunn might even be a more productive player because he's a better passer and much better defender (even more efficient too).

But if we could grab him for a bargain price, like Dunn + 38 or something, I'd do it. Maybe we could even do a straight swap for Valentine, they could do with an SF. NY seem over him already judging by the talk on their board.

He's toolsy, his defense is improving a bit, his shot seemed to be getting a little bit better before the trade, he's 21 and has the obvious athletic tools. How much that means in the scheme of him sucking so hard so far into his career is the question, but I do think there's upside there.

As you said though, you don't want to be throwing assets at him, there's a good chance he never amounts to anything, he's been really bad so far in his career.

I dont know NYKs exact cap situation or if they would be looking to clear a little extra but #38 for DSJ straight up maybe would make sense if they want a cheaper roster filler to save another 2M or so.

That's a good point. I'm up for it.

[NZB2323]

The only other thing I'd try for is #2 and Parsons for #7 and next years protected top5 pick. I think Memphis will want to trim salary. They've got a lot tied up in a really bad team.

I agree with a lot of your post.

On this point, ff this draft was deeper, maybe. But there is no way Memphis trades down in this crappy draft with Morant on the board. Not only is a great fit with JJJ to start building a new team, but he's "local." Murray State is about 2.5 hours from Memphis. He'll be a known and anticipated prospect to boost local interest. They aren't trading that pick.

1. Memphis wants to move on from Conley and rebuild.

2. The draft is at most a "3 player draft" and the drop off between 2 and 7 is massive.

3. Morant plays a position of need critical need for them once they trade Conley.

4. He's exciting and local.

Its a perfect storm. The dream of trading up for Morant died instantly when Memphis, rather than say Dallas, Atlanta, Cleveland or NY, got the pick.

is there really that strong of a trade market for Conley?
Yes he's good (really good), but so many teams already have a good PG.

What teams are willing to pay the trade price, have 30 mil in matching salary (with players that Memphis actually wants back) AND desperately need a PG?

Conley is really good, but we have no idea how this summer is going to go. Like, I think a Ben Simmons for Mike Conley trade makes a lot of sense for both teams. If Kyrie Irving, Kemba Walker, and D'Angelo Russel leave their teams, then those teams need point guards. Those teams could do a sign-and-trade for Mike Conley. If those players stay with their teams, then the teams hoping to acquire them(Lakers, Clippers, Knicks, ect.) might want to trade for Conley. Front offices are more creative and savvy than ever before and there are a lot of GMs who would love to acquire Conley. Andrew Wiggins might get offered for Mike Conley. Utah and Miami would love to have Conley. After seeing how poorly Milwaukee's guards played in the last 4 games they might want to trade for Conley. Maybe Memphis sees Malcolm Brogdon as a guy they can buy low on. There are probably 5-10 teams that I forgot about who will at least have a discussion about what kind of trade offer they can make for Conley.

And if not, keeping Conley and having him tutor Morant isn't a bad thing.

[drosestruts]

Something similar to the Knicks taking a flier on Henzonja last season could be signing Dragan Bender here. He's been legit very bad, and I don't know too much about him, but something prompted teams to view him as a top 10 pick back when he was drafted.

Could also be a sneaky play to get fellow countrymen Tomas Satorasnky interested in coming to Chicago.

[TimRobbins]

The only buy low candidate I'm seeing is Cousins.