OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond

[TheGOATRises007]

Nagy's decision to kneel the ball with 43 seconds and a timeout is unforgivable.

A fire-able offense to me. Wtf was he thinking?

Yeah Pineiro should have made the FG, but you've got 43 seconds left and a timeout. Try and gain more yardage...

A 40 yard FG isn't really a gimme(though it should have been converted obviously).

[Red Larrivee]

Are we officially in "blow it up" territory? If you don't have a great QB in this league, you don't have anything. Should the Bears try to trade some of their major pieces away to recoup some draft picks to try to find that QB? Move Mack and Allen Robinson to a contender, what's the point of hanging on to them

Blowing it up doesn't make it any more likely that you'll find a franchise QB, unless you're awful in a year where there's a clear cut franchise talent available. It also doesn't make it more likely that you can evaluate the position properly.

Theoretically, the Bears could draft a QB with either of the 2nd round picks they have or a mid-round selection.

More importantly, when they do invest into the position again, they have to make sure that the system and playcalling matches the QB. Otherwise, you get what we have now, where Nagy CLEARLY doesn't trust Trubisky to run the playbook.

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[fleet]

Nagy's decision to kneel the ball with 43 seconds and a timeout is unforgivable.

A fire-able offense to me. Wtf was he thinking?

Yeah Pineiro should have made the FG, but you've got 43 seconds left and a timeout. Try and gain more yardage...

A 40 yard FG isn't really a gimme(though it should have been converted obviously).

I thought he would be fired at halftime after the debacle on the goal line. I've settled on a Halloween costume. But Coach Nagy is one more to consider.

[RememberLu]

Are we officially in "blow it up" territory? If you don't have a great QB in this league, you don't have anything. Should the Bears try to trade some of their major pieces away to recoup some draft picks to try to find that QB? Move Mack and Allen Robinson to a contender, what's the point of hanging on to them

Blowing it up doesn't make it any more likely that you'll find a franchise QB, unless you're awful in a year where there's a clear cut franchise talent available. It also doesn't make it more likely that you can evaluate the position properly.

Theoretically, the Bears could draft a QB with either of the 2nd round picks they have or a mid-round selection.

More importantly, when they do invest into the position again, they have to make sure that the system and playcalling matches the QB. Otherwise, you get what we have now, where Nagy CLEARLY doesn't trust Trubisky to run the playbook.

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I don't understand your first sentence.

Blowing it up gets you picks, Bears desperately need picks so they can keep drafting first round QBs. Blowing it up gets you picks. Drafting QBs in the first round makes it far more likely that you'll accidentally hit on a good one.

[Jeffster81]

I don't understand your first sentence.

Blowing it up gets you picks, Bears desperately need picks so they can keep drafting first round QBs. Blowing it up gets you picks. Drafting QBs in the first round makes it far more likely that you'll accidentally hit on a good one.

I don't want to blow it up. I think the pieces are there, you just have to get a damn HC/QB that can work. I'd trade guys like Floyd, Gabriel, HaHa, Prince, etc and get some draft capital.

[Red Larrivee]

Are we officially in "blow it up" territory? If you don't have a great QB in this league, you don't have anything. Should the Bears try to trade some of their major pieces away to recoup some draft picks to try to find that QB? Move Mack and Allen Robinson to a contender, what's the point of hanging on to them

Blowing it up doesn't make it any more likely that you'll find a franchise QB, unless you're awful in a year where there's a clear cut franchise talent available. It also doesn't make it more likely that you can evaluate the position properly.

Theoretically, the Bears could draft a QB with either of the 2nd round picks they have or a mid-round selection.

More importantly, when they do invest into the position again, they have to make sure that the system and playcalling matches the QB. Otherwise, you get what we have now, where Nagy CLEARLY doesn't trust Trubisky to run the playbook.

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I don't understand your first sentence.

Blowing it up gets you picks, Bears desperately need picks so they can keep drafting first round QBs. Blowing it up gets you picks. Drafting QBs in the first round makes it far more likely that you'll accidentally hit on a good one.

No team in the NFL drafts a QB in the first round every single year. You can draft QBs in any round.

Blowing it up doesn't make it more likely that you will evaluate QBs better. The Jaguars drafted a QB in the 6th round who already looks better than some of the ones taken in the first round the past couple of seasons. The Patriots drafted Garoppolo and Brissett with 2nd and 3rd round picks.

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[RememberLu]

Blowing it up doesn't make it any more likely that you'll find a franchise QB, unless you're awful in a year where there's a clear cut franchise talent available. It also doesn't make it more likely that you can evaluate the position properly.

Theoretically, the Bears could draft a QB with either of the 2nd round picks they have or a mid-round selection.

More importantly, when they do invest into the position again, they have to make sure that the system and playcalling matches the QB. Otherwise, you get what we have now, where Nagy CLEARLY doesn't trust Trubisky to run the playbook.

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I don't understand your first sentence.

Blowing it up gets you picks, Bears desperately need picks so they can keep drafting first round QBs. Blowing it up gets you picks. Drafting QBs in the first round makes it far more likely that you'll accidentally hit on a good one.

No team in the NFL drafts a QB in the first round every single year. You can draft QBs in any round.

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The teams that need a QB would do well to draft QBs in the first round every single year, until they find their franchise guy. Look at the draft class that Trubisky came out of. Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson all go in the first round. Two out of those three look like franchise talents. Beara of course pick the one guy who isnt. Not only that but TRADE UP to get him.

Bears need picks, Bears need a QB, you gotta keep using picks on first round graded QBs until you stumble onto a Mahomes, Luck, Rodgers type talent. You arent going anywhere in this league until you find one

[johnnyvann840]

Right now, Chicago sports is in a very depressing state. Cubs season was a major meltdown, let down, implosion. Blackhawks are not looking good. The Bears are a major disappointment so far after giving us a great deal of hope last season. Bulls may not be quite as far along in their "rebuild" as we all had hoped, but it's too early to know. Nevertheless, we still have the same power structure in place that has really been disappointing over the last decade and a half and we're likely stuck with them for the foreseeable future. White Sox are terrible, also. Every major sports team in the city is seemingly an underachieving entity at this point in time, relative to expectations.

[Red Larrivee]

The teams that need a QB would do well to draft QBs in the first round every single year, until they find their franchise guy. Look at the draft class that Trubisky came out of. Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson all go in the first round. Two out of those three look like franchise talents. Beara of course pick the one guy who isnt. Not only that but TRADE UP to get him.

Bears need picks, Bears need a QB, you gotta keep using picks on first round graded QBs until you stumble onto a Mahomes, Luck, Rodgers type talent. You arent going anywhere in this league until you find one

No they wouldn't, because you still have to put a team on the field. QB is the toughest position to evaluate, so using your best chance at talent in the first to keep taking shots at one perennially makes no sense. You could easily miss out on good players at other positions that can still raise your floor. Just draft QBs in other rounds.

The Bears problem is not a refusal to draft a QB every year in the first. Their issue is they consistently hire GM's who evaluate the position poorly and coaches who do not put QBs in the best position to win.

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[Jeffster81]

Right now, Chicago sports is in a very depressing state. Cubs season was a major meltdown, let down, implosion. Blackhawks are not looking good. The Bears are a major disappointment so far after giving us a great deal of hope last season. Bulls may not be quite as far along in their "rebuild" as we all had hoped, but it's too early to know. Nevertheless, we still have the same power structure in place that has really been disappointing over the last decade and a half and we're likely stuck with them for the foreseeable future. White Sox are terrible, also. Every major sports team in the city is seemingly an underachieving entity at this point in time, relative to expectations.

At least the Chicago Sky made the second rd of the WNBA playoffs and the Chicago Red Stars made the NWSL championship gam e, though they got their asses handed to them by North Carolina this afternoon.

[johnnyvann840]

Right now, Chicago sports is in a very depressing state. Cubs season was a major meltdown, let down, implosion. Blackhawks are not looking good. The Bears are a major disappointment so far after giving us a great deal of hope last season. Bulls may not be quite as far along in their "rebuild" as we all had hoped, but it's too early to know. Nevertheless, we still have the same power structure in place that has really been disappointing over the last decade and a half and we're likely stuck with them for the foreseeable future. White Sox are terrible, also. Every major sports team in the city is seemingly an underachieving entity at this point in time, relative to expectations.

At least the Chicago Sky made the second rd of the WNBA playoffs and the Chicago Red Stars made the NWSL championship gam e, though they got their asses handed to them by North Carolina this afternoon.

Who? ... and Who?

[fleet]

Please change title, "season is a wash". Always classic.

[dice]

Nagy's decision to kneel the ball with 43 seconds and a timeout is unforgivable.

A fire-able offense to me. Wtf was he thinking?

Yeah Pineiro should have made the FG, but you've got 43 seconds left and a timeout. Try and gain more yardage...

A 40 yard FG isn't really a gimme(though it should have been converted obviously).

whole lotta coaches getting fired if that's your standard

he vehemently defended himself in the postgame (while greatly overusing the word 'football'). said something like "oh, they would've known we were gonna run the football and we would've probably lost yardage or even fumbled the football" but even if that were true, trubisky's at least good enough to run a rollout RPO and throw the ball away if there's nothing there

[TheGOATRises007]

Nagy's decision to kneel the ball with 43 seconds and a timeout is unforgivable.

A fire-able offense to me. Wtf was he thinking?

Yeah Pineiro should have made the FG, but you've got 43 seconds left and a timeout. Try and gain more yardage...

A 40 yard FG isn't really a gimme(though it should have been converted obviously).

whole lotta coaches getting fired if that's your standard

he vehemently defended himself in the postgame (while greatly overusing the word 'football'). said something like "oh, they would've known we were gonna run the football and we would've probably lost yardage or even fumbled the football" but even if that were true, trubisky's at least good enough to run a rollout RPO and throw the ball away if there's nothing there

The fact that he had to defend himself so vehemently shows he was in the wrong.

It was an inexcusable decision from our coach. Playing not to lose instead of playing to win. Awful mentality.

[dice]

Nagy's decision to kneel the ball with 43 seconds and a timeout is unforgivable.

A fire-able offense to me. Wtf was he thinking?

Yeah Pineiro should have made the FG, but you've got 43 seconds left and a timeout. Try and gain more yardage...

A 40 yard FG isn't really a gimme(though it should have been converted obviously).

whole lotta coaches getting fired if that's your standard

he vehemently defended himself in the postgame (while greatly overusing the word 'football'). said something like "oh, they would've known we were gonna run the football and we would've probably lost yardage or even fumbled the football" but even if that were true, trubisky's at least good enough to run a rollout RPO and throw the ball away if there's nothing there

The fact that he had to defend himself so vehemently shows he was in the wrong.

It was an inexcusable decision from our coach. Playing not to lose instead of playing to win. Awful mentality.

i will say that he's been questionable as a game manager since he started

i recall the dolphins game last year when he called a running play late in OT on the miami 35 on 3rd and 4. the run got stuffed and parkey missed a 53 yarder

and his excuse today doesn't even make sense given that he played it aggressively in the exact same situation against the eagles in the playoffs:

-15 seconds left, 3rd and 2 at philly 25, NO timeouts, trubisky takes an endzone shot to anthony miller that is incomplete
-parkey misses 43 yarder

[dice]

This all on Nagy.

1. Inside the red zone and near the goalie forever and settling for field goals.

2. Playing not to lose at the end with a 40 yard field goal when we had plenty of time and a timeout to move the ball down the field. Pineiro missed from 33 yards earlier but you have confidence in a 40 yards with the game on the line.
AWFUL CALL NAGY.

3. Mitch wasn’t anything special but he did enough to win.

4. Nagy finally commits to the run game and look what happens. How does it take a coach 7 games to figure that out. AWFUL

not sure how much of the red zone failures are on nagy. and this was the 4th game out of 7 where there was run/pass balance

[Chi town]

This all on Nagy.

1. Inside the red zone and near the goalie forever and settling for field goals.

2. Playing not to lose at the end with a 40 yard field goal when we had plenty of time and a timeout to move the ball down the field. Pineiro missed from 33 yards earlier but you have confidence in a 40 yards with the game on the line.
AWFUL CALL NAGY.

3. Mitch wasn’t anything special but he did enough to win.

4. Nagy finally commits to the run game and look what happens. How does it take a coach 7 games to figure that out. AWFUL

not sure how much of the red zone failures are on nagy. and this was the 4th game out of 7 where there was run/pass balance

We looked pretty decent in the traditional run formations and some play actions. It’s the cute motion crap that isn’t doing anything.

Bears should have won past two games but we beat ourselves with turnovers and lack of execution and play calling in the red zone.

[Chi town]

Nagy's decision to kneel the ball with 43 seconds and a timeout is unforgivable.

A fire-able offense to me. Wtf was he thinking?

Yeah Pineiro should have made the FG, but you've got 43 seconds left and a timeout. Try and gain more yardage...

A 40 yard FG isn't really a gimme(though it should have been converted obviously).

whole lotta coaches getting fired if that's your standard

he vehemently defended himself in the postgame (while greatly overusing the word 'football'). said something like "oh, they would've known we were gonna run the football and we would've probably lost yardage or even fumbled the football" but even if that were true, trubisky's at least good enough to run a rollout RPO and throw the ball away if there's nothing there

The fact that he had to defend himself so vehemently shows he was in the wrong.

It was an inexcusable decision from our coach. Playing not to lose instead of playing to win. Awful mentality.

Agreed. That my biggest gripe. He has played not to lose instead of to win especially early when we had leads. What has it done for us... nothing.

You’ve got to at least try to make a play.

I get you don’t trust Trubisky. That’s fine. You can’t trust a kicker who already missed a FG earlier in the game from closer. MADDENING.

I’d go full confidence in Mitch and let him play. Take off the training wheels. If he fails it’s fine. He’s failing right now with awful play calling.

I think the only thing left is committing to the run game and giving Mitch some play actions and let him go. No more trying to play around him.

Mitch missed Gabriel. Awful miss. Would have won the game. He also hit several big throws stepping up in the pocket in the face of pressure.

I blame all the goal line craziness on Nagy too. Line it up and run it in.

[Chi town]

Olin Kruetz on the red zone debacles.

Watch on YouTube

[RedBulls23]

Nagy basically is so scared Mitch will screw up he decided to let the clock go down and waste opportunities to get at the very least a closer FG.