How overpaid is Derozan, and will it matter?

[dice]

Derozan is not overpayed we payed him enough to get him here he’s a great player and we are trying to build a title contender not a team of bargain contracts

you cannot have a title contender without bargain contracts unless you're paying substantial luxury tax

legitimate superstars have bargain contracts because their salaries are artificially restricted. many players on rookie contracts are bargain contracts. beyond that bargain contracts are hard to come by unless you give up draft picks (with their high potential for value). enter vucevic...for this season and next. and lavine...for this season alone. which is why i have suggested that this season might very well be as good as it gets for this core of players

Doesn’t matter the point is I said we arnt looking to build a team of bargain contracts it’s the truth we under bid him he doesn’t come here we end up a lot worse then now we did the right thing and cap flexibility is a thing good front offices are able to always do like when the heat did it and yes this team will be a good team we winning it a chip bro wake up

that's one long sentence

and if you think that the bulls have cap flexibility going forward or that this core is winning a chip... you're drinking a special kind of koolaid

due to injury or incompetence (felicio), this was the functional bulls payroll for the bulk of last season (excluding min salaries):

19.5 zach
13.5 thad
10.0 sato
7.1 pat
6.7 lauri
5.6 coby
5.4 WCJ
4.8 temple
4.6 denzel
3.0 arci

80.2 total, .431 winning percentage

here's what it is this year barring injury:

27.0 derozan
24.0 vuc
19.8 lonzo
19.5 zach
9.7 jones
8.6 caruso
7.4 pat
5.8 coby
5.2 troy

127.0 total. better be over .500

the luxury tax is projected to be 145 mil next season. that will be chewed up by lavine's new deal. there is little salary flexibility to make major changes to the roster barring trading major contributors

[Butler4thewin]

you cannot have a title contender without bargain contracts unless you're paying substantial luxury tax

legitimate superstars have bargain contracts because their salaries are artificially restricted. many players on rookie contracts are bargain contracts. beyond that bargain contracts are hard to come by unless you give up draft picks (with their high potential for value). enter vucevic...for this season and next. and lavine...for this season alone. which is why i have suggested that this season might very well be as good as it gets for this core of players

Doesn’t matter the point is I said we arnt looking to build a team of bargain contracts it’s the truth we under bid him he doesn’t come here we end up a lot worse then now we did the right thing and cap flexibility is a thing good front offices are able to always do like when the heat did it and yes this team will be a good team we winning it a chip bro wake up

that's one long sentence

and if you think that the bulls have cap flexibility going forward or that this core is winning a chip... you're drinking a special kind of koolaid

So you turn into a grammar teacher and throw cheap insults because my view is different then yours ? Because you want to argue about something your trying to make it seem like I said? Come on man up ....yes I think this team will win the title this year 100 percent I think that if you don’t that’s cool

[dice]

Doesn’t matter the point is I said we arnt looking to build a team of bargain contracts it’s the truth we under bid him he doesn’t come here we end up a lot worse then now we did the right thing and cap flexibility is a thing good front offices are able to always do like when the heat did it and yes this team will be a good team we winning it a chip bro wake up

that's one long sentence

and if you think that the bulls have cap flexibility going forward or that this core is winning a chip... you're drinking a special kind of koolaid

So you turn into a grammar teacher and throw cheap insults because my view is different then yours ? Because you want to argue about something your trying to make it seem like I said? Come on man up ....yes I think this team will win the title this year 100 percent I think that if you don’t that’s cool

THIS year? how many wins?

[Butler4thewin]

that's one long sentence

and if you think that the bulls have cap flexibility going forward or that this core is winning a chip... you're drinking a special kind of koolaid

So you turn into a grammar teacher and throw cheap insults because my view is different then yours ? Because you want to argue about something your trying to make it seem like I said? Come on man up ....yes I think this team will win the title this year 100 percent I think that if you don’t that’s cool

THIS year? how many wins?

We going to break the warriors regular season win record

[WindyCityBorn]

He isn’t overpaid at all. He is exactly what we needed.

[CjayC]

It's so wonderful having multiple people comfortable handling the ball. Far cry from previous teams that only had 1-2 players comfortable in that role.

[The Box Office]

DeRozan's money does not matter when he steps on the court. I put a premium on players with playoff experience, veteran savvy, and can still produce at a high level.

[Clint Eastwood]

So you turn into a grammar teacher and throw cheap insults because my view is different then yours ? Because you want to argue about something your trying to make it seem like I said? Come on man up ....yes I think this team will win the title this year 100 percent I think that if you don’t that’s cool

THIS year? how many wins?

We going to break the warriors regular season win record

Thats the spirit. Yes, I’m on board!

[ChettheJet]

Oh come on, where are the posters who just a week ago wanted to trade him and a FRP to get a couple of really good role players on expiring contracts? Taking the time to learn about NBA basketball I hope.

[Dresden]

It's so wonderful having multiple people comfortable handling the ball. Far cry from previous teams that only had 1-2 players comfortable in that role.

Yes. what a difference it makes to have guys with a wide set of skills, instead of having to work around this player's deficiency in this area, or that player's weakness in another area.

[MrSparkle]

Can we just step back and acknowledge that 27m and 22m are excellent value for 32yo Demar and Vuc?

I’d understand complaining about their salaries if they were 34+, but man… 32 is still tail end prime. We got these guys on bargains (or very fair deals) for the next 2 years.

A few ~50m salaries for perspective:

Lauri + Love
Westbrook
Bledsoe + Morris + Kennard
Wiggins + Dray
Middleton + Lopez
Tobias Harris + Danny Green

Of course cherry picked, but 2 star caliber high IQ, full-time starting vets for the price of 1 max is a very nice consolidation prize. Of course I’d trade both for Curry or Giannis, who wouldn’t, but the overpaid talk with both was a joke.

[dabig3]

It's funny, DDR gets criticized for his old midrange game, but it's probably what's gonna extend his prime. I think he'll still be starting level option 1a/2 talent for several years to come. And he's still a big bodied built human being who can run up and down and through people. He'll have that advantage for awhile too as he goes into that old man body.

But yeah, it would be cool if he could attempt and hit more 3s as his athleticism inevitably declines during this contract. But he's a smart basketball guy too, and has already redeveloped his game from TOR to SA and had arguably his career's best season last one, so we'll see what he can do for us.

And so far so good, and I don't think we're seeing his best yet - or anyone's of course as this is still an experimental team. But he's proving exactly why AKME gave up "so much" to get him. It's going to be tough to contain the Bulls O by just focusing on Zach or a bad Vuc shooting night.

And if the Spurs aren't going to play Thies, they really should just cut him so he can resign here! Lol, it'll help erase some of that lingering salt still around from the summer trade.

[Wingy]

Children: “Daddy! Daddy! Tell us the story about the relative value deals of John Collins, and Danilo Gallinari vs The Big Bad Derozan!”

[WindyCityBorn]

Thread topic = “oof”

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[HomoSapien]

Someone change the title to “How Underpaid is DeRozan?”

[TeamMan]

Someone change the title to “How Underpaid is DeRozan?”

No joke!

In the 4th quarter of the Raps game I was thinking that the Bulls are really lucky that they got DDR so cheap.

He still wants to win a champion.

And still has something to prove.

Those 2 things make him a bargain.

[Grodoboldo]

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@NBACouchside: demar reading all of your slanderous tweets: https://t.co/N91qzb15AO

[sco]

Someone change the title to “How Underpaid is DeRozan?”

No joke!

In the 4th quarter of the Raps game I was thinking that the Bulls are really lucky that they got DDR so cheap.

He still wants to win a champion.

And still has something to prove.

Those 2 things make him a bargain.

I'm still impressed with his effort on defense. Also, we tend to think negatively of ISO players, but teams need guys situationally to take shots and know how to draw fouls. We have so many unselfish guys, I think we may tend to overpass at those key times.

[ATRAIN53]

Tough to say.

30 million is a lot per year

22 points and a guy who can create his own shot and close in the clutch.
almost 8 FTA per game is HUGE
valuable tools but he is 32

They really want to make the playoffs so they had to spend on a scorer and he was best avail.
30 million could be used to trade for the next malcontent star if one does pops up.
He can score if Zach gets hurt, we're not complete toast if that happens.

Guy looks happy, like maybe if he can't be where he wants to be this is a good spot for him.

4-0 right now - I'd say it's working out pretty good, we're the best team in the NBA.
We're RELEVANT again!!!!