PG: "Better Without DeRozan"

[Michael Jackson]

Gods help you Chicago Bulls, for now you are truly lost.

An abysmal point in time for this brutal franchise. The Rein$dorfs are awful ownership. Their motivation for wealth building above all else are a pox on our chicago sports. They botched the AKME hiring, these guys suck and this nitration of Bulls is the most soul crushingly irrelevant and hopeless of my tenure in fandom.

Sadly and I mean this honestly, because in a way the Reinsdorf group created this trend, future owners will likely be worse. Tilman was hot for a moment but then became the worst owner. Cuban the sweetheart absolutely has become a terrible owner. Prokhov, pulled a Sam Zelle and bumped the value up and sold to Tsai who well.... Ballmer might be the only one as Ishba (who genuinely loves the game but the family loves money more and might end up being Cuba like sooner rather than later) could ve3ry quickly end up in that especially if they get one going. Dolan? nope! Owners/Governers are going to suck sooooooo bad in the coming future and Reinsdorf's might end up being the most likable but still own soooooooooo much fault for setting the PE of VC model. Silver already has green lighted the "Oil Money" nations to invest in the NBA (and trust me MLB, NFL and likely NHL will all follow) so it will only get uglier. Sadly the Reinsdorf model might end up being the most likable of the group but the PE or VC model they set forward ruined all sports IMHO.

[Taj FTW]

I'm cool with milking this DDR injury and sitting him out for a fat minute and pray for a top 4 (*cough* 1 *cough*) pick.

All you would be doing is giving Orlando a slight higher pick. Also try convincing Demar to sit,not happening. Non of these guys are tanking even though they have been losing for real, which is even more sad lol.

The Bulls have a 29.4% chance at getting a top 4 pick. Those odds aren't bad tbh. One more spot up and they have a 37.2% chance. It's definitely possible we keep our pick.

[Michael Jackson]

I'm cool with milking this DDR injury and sitting him out for a fat minute and pray for a top 4 (*cough* 1 *cough*) pick.

All you would be doing is giving Orlando a slight higher pick. Also try convincing Demar to sit,not happening. Non of these guys are tanking even though they have been losing for real, which is even more sad lol.

The Bulls have a 29.4% chance at getting a top 4 pick. Those odds aren't bad tbh. One more spot up and they have a 37.2% chance. It's definitely possible we keep our pick.

It is a gamble and honestly if the Bulls don't get the pick I can really care less if it is the 5th or the 25th pick. Who cares of it isn't going to us it is already traded and if it isn't top 4... that means nothing to me. I would rather increase the Bulls odds in what seems to be a good draft, than have any concern where Orlando picks IMHO. Pick #5. They did better with Franz... later than they did with their own in Suggs (whom I happened to think was awesome shame on me). I surely wouldn't as a FO worry about where Orlando might pick over where the Bulls might cash in, even if it is an outside chance on something, you already traded away. Hell Orlando is already stuck with over paying WCJ and took that off our books so they did their job and they got Franz... but also have the other bad picks and still fighting for a tank themselves.

Now if I thought this team could compete and add a piece, yeah go win out and try to retool, but It think this team if far from just a retool and should fire sale (don't think anyone was interested in our offers not that the FO sat on their hands but they likely wanted a big haul) and I think value can still be salvaged in the offseason that might be as good or better as it was in the offseason.

Stealth tank right now and maybe you get lucky... if not well you already spent the money (pick) so it is house money. In a way it is a win win at least trying for it. Worse case scenario is Orlando gets the pick that they are already owed... and you can reset and get next years pick (weaker draft so far) without worry. Also can get the Spurs owed pick off the books a year earlier than if this one rolls over.

It is luck overall it really is and even with the best luck be it with D Rose or the good luck of Luka, it surely isn't a sure thing. Cleveland might have had the best luck ever in getting LeBron but it took him coming back to get a ring... GSW had luck for sure but a lot had to do with Steph not yet being worth his value at the time because of lower draft position and injury... Bulls had luck with Rose.... but then well injury. Gotta play the luck game because 30 teams every year are hoping for it.. Sometimes you are the Wallace Piston's but rarely. Still luck!

[Axl Rose]

What would you say Billy is good at?

He's an elite gum chewer.

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[samwana]

Zach Lavine: The antithesis of clutch

Zach had a very good game. We shouldn't be in that position at all in this game. We were up by 24pts. I blame this one on Donovan.

a lot of our losses are on him, we need to start #fireBillyD and take it to the allstar game and embarass the hell out of the bulls again. give ddr a jersey with that hashtag on the back.

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[MrSparkle]

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I was wondering how that was possible.

Zach is the anti-Manu.

Fantastic 1st half and scoring, but the guy can’t see the floor to save his life.

[PaKii94]

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I was wondering how that was possible.

This team is the anti-Manu.

People say I'm picking on Zach but this is yet another example of the poor decision making. He's the best on the team at driving to the rim, he should have recognized this, drove into the lane to collapsed the D and either taken the shot or pass to an open teammate. Instead in multiple possession of this game Zach slowed it down. Then obviously he would randomly drive into a packed paint in another possession.

The IQ just isn't there. We have had games like tonight multiple times before where Zach will get hot and hit tough shots all game and then just fumble the bag completely at the end.

[DorO]

Wow, Bulls is clutch in blown leads, who would've known.

[Hangtime84]

I love when so called "star players" take shots types they don't practice.

[samwana]

I really don’t understand what happened to this team? Talented roster with experience but lose games like a young team. If they don’t make the play in or playoffs this would probably be the most disappointing bulls team that I have experienced. Expectations were high for them but they keep embarrassing themselves and pissing off the fan base.

It’s coaching and a lack of respect for the coach in general.

billy doesn't deserve any respect, that's earned not given. and he lost the team a while ago.

to answer the question someone else asked: he's good at chewing gum at the sideline.



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[HomoSapien]

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I couldn't believe this play. It looked like he even waited to give someone a high-five. Terrible court awareness by the Bulls. That should have led to an open shot.

[Dengness9]

Funny, but a little too far.

Speaking of a little too far…I see Bob Rohrman for your avatar. True story…I went to his Mansion in Chicago burbs, his step daughter invited me over. Banged out and then went to kitchen and Bob was eating fried chicken and gave me some. Was pretty chill.

That’s all I have to add to this thread. Oh and also…
I HATE THE CHICAGO BULLS.

[The Box Office]

The loss to the Brooklyn Nets broke this team. We have a high chance of losing to the Bucks tomorrow on Feb. 16.

[PJSteven22]

I'm a big DDR proponent.

But I will say through first half, and with Coby's overall performance in box score and from eye test, this team could grow a lot by trading DDR for the correct contract.

Specifically, someone that can start at PF so Pat moves to SF. The PF has to be a better rebounder than Pat, and also needs to shoot three at a good clip. And just overall have a good tweener size at least.

I really am curious what they would look like with Jerami Grant. Even bring back Vuc.

Vuc/Grant/Pat/Lavine/Lonzo
Coby as 6th man and starting when Lonzo out. Caruso still on bench; but Coby should clearly be above him.

Coby is a really talented player. His body is compact and he plays with a massive amount of strength imo. His three point shot seems like the best textbook catch and release of the team.

Grant shoots the 3 at a high high level (always 37-40% on 5+3PA). He doesn't rebound real well ... but his size WITH pat should combine to make up for how bad Pat is alone down there as a forward (DDR doesn't play much of a forward role on defense).

It's pretty feasible too imo. Sign and trade Grant for DDR. Only worry is just how much Grant thinks he's worth (he turned down a huge extension offer from Portland). I don't want him for an over-inflate price. But I'd for instance pay him and Vuc the same. 22-26 range. That would work financially with DDR I think (if it was closer to 25). I'd say they have to lift the protection of the pick imo, or add another pick.

Vuc/Grant/Pat on court together should be a lot of size and strength to cover more of the rebounding zone. Pat and Lonzo are the point people on defense. Caruso and guys we bring onto bench are defensive depth.

Grant and Lonzo shoot volume 3s. Coby too. Maybe Pat shoots more 3s from SF. Great spacing that allows Zach every opportunity to be the man.

That lineup is ok but it lacks rim pressure and rim protection. Pat is definitely a 4. He gets blown by too much as a 3.

[vxmike]

Pacers are now 3-16 over their last 19 games. 2 of the 3 wins are against the Bulls

The playbook is out on the Bulls. Just come out and play aggressive physical basketball and the Bulls wilt like tissue paper. This team has no fight, at all.

[coldfish]

Blown huge leads are usually on the coach. Zach certainly has decision making issues but fool me once, shame on you. Fool me hundreds of times, shame on me. BD is just a tank commander.

[weneeda2guard]

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We play too slow

We don't have a pg who can push the pace or initiate offense

And we have this play through vuc philosophy which is dumb

So we can't take advantage of 4 on 5 situations.

I said during the games and been saying for months that we continue to lose to the "bad teams" because 1. We are also bad, 2. Those bad teams are usually young and play fast and get shots up 10 seconds into the shot clock while they take off and run on every 1 of our misses and turnovers and never gives our defense a chance to set.

Some of this is on the players, alot of this is on the front office who knew we lacked a pg who could push pace and execute offense and they knew we didn't have the outside shooting. They did nothing to correct it even at the deadline. Donovan makes it no better when he is putting vuc lavine and derozan in these play making roles they can't do consistently because they are always starting and ending games with non shooters and non play makers on the floor with them. It was only a matter of time before this ship fully sunk and when we didn't make any moves to improve at the deadline that made the hole in the ship huge.

[Ice Man]

Blown huge leads are usually on the coach. Zach certainly has decision making issues but fool me once, shame on you. Fool me hundreds of times, shame on me. BD is just a tank commander.

As always, I am firmly in the camp that the players win, and the players lose. Coaches have little to do with the outcome. Take Nick Nurse, everybody's poster child for a coach who wrings wins out of his roster. The guy has Siakim, van Fleet, Barnes, OG, and Gary Trent, and his team is 28-31, a mere 1 1/2 games ahead of the Bulls. Give Nurse this team with its erratic supporting cast and two-time All Star reliably fading down the stretch, and I bet the Bulls would have essentially the same record as it has today, with the same complaints from the fans.

[DuckIII]

No one can say AKME can’t build a team. Problem is the team they are building isn’t in Chicago.