The Chicago Bulls Are Stuck in NBA Hell

[NecessaryEvil]

Go after Pascal pls …

Pat Williams
Ayo Dosunmu
Coby White
3 future 2nd round picks



G Vooch / Drummond
F Siakam / Craig
F Derozan
G Lavine / Caruso
G Carter

[BeatDaCavs420]

Insert every Chicago team here ____ lmao

The Bears and Blackhawks are building something because they both successfully didn't screw up a tank season

Insert every Jerry ran team here_____

[stepic]

The Bulls have been in NBA hell since arguably Rose tore his ACL and definitely since they fired Thibs.

It’s ownership and front office. They don’t know how to build a winner. Still don’t.

yeah, never committed to a proper tank when they should have

can't sign the best free agents

= nba purgatory which is basically hell

[Am2626]

Go after Pascal pls …

Pat Williams
Ayo Dosunmu
Coby White
3 future 2nd round picks



G Vooch / Drummond
F Siakam / Craig
F Derozan
G Lavine / Caruso
G Carter

If the Raptors are willing to do this and if it works based on the Financials this would be a great move for the Bulls to make.

[The Box Office]

It worked out for us not getting the number one pick, Zion.
It worked out for us not getting the number one pick, DeAndre Ayton.
It probably worked out for us not getting Victor Wembayama. Kid is already mixed in with trouble with Spurs' security team assaulting Britney Spears.

Whether we like it or not, things happen for many reasons. Carry on.

[step]

Kid is already mixed in with trouble with Spurs' security team assaulting Britney Spears.

Honestly, the story reads as a slow news day trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Plus, his security went to her shortly afterwards and apologised, while he also sat down with her too.

[prolific passer]

It worked out for us not getting the number one pick, Zion.
It worked out for us not getting the number one pick, DeAndre Ayton.
It probably worked out for us not getting Victor Wembayama. Kid is already mixed in with trouble with Spurs' security team assaulting Britney Spears.

Whether we like it or not, things happen for many reasons. Carry on.

The #3 pick works out better for the bulls anyway.

[The Box Office]

Kid is already mixed in with trouble with Spurs' security team assaulting Britney Spears.

Honestly, the story reads as a slow news day trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Plus, his security went to her shortly afterwards and apologised, while he also sat down with her too.

Yeah, but woman got assaulted regardless.

[League Circles]

Kid is already mixed in with trouble with Spurs' security team assaulting Britney Spears.

Honestly, the story reads as a slow news day trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Plus, his security went to her shortly afterwards and apologised, while he also sat down with her too.

Yeah, it also has absolutely nothing to do with Wemba.

[kyrv]

Didn't know Bill Simons was still a thing.

NBA hell is a figment of the imagination of desperate "writers".

We have what, like half the cap committed to after next season? Yeah, totally "stuck" lol.

But, but, but we don't have "future assets" to improve with!

(Looks around at great players selected with picks anyone could have in Jokic, Butler, Giannis, Kawhi, etc)

He still has one of the most popular sports podcasts.

That's a great accomplishment for someone so unlikable.

It really is, I will give him credit for that.

Normally I deeply care what Celtics (and Knicks) fans think, but with Billie it's a hard pass.

[ozbull]

The more national attention and brighter spotlight he can bring to the Bulls' situation, the better.

Short of a 3-year Derrick Rose lightning bolt from 2009-12, mediocrity, or slightly above averageness, has been the overriding goal of this franchise for 25 years.

[kyrv]

The Bulls have been in NBA hell since arguably Rose tore his ACL and definitely since they fired Thibs.

It’s ownership and front office. They don’t know how to build a winner. Still don’t.

yeah, never committed to a proper tank when they should have

can't sign the best free agents

= nba purgatory which is basically hell

I see this sentiment a lot. Bulls already got dinged for sorta kinda almost soft tanking, why do people believe Silver would allow them a proper tank? We have evidence he won't.

[Stratmaster]

We went for Mcgrady and Duncan, we got Ron Mercer.

We went for a combo of Lebron/wade or Lebron/Bosh , we got Carlos Boozer.

We went for Melo. Swing and a miss (though that was good we dodged a bullet) and Gasol was a great get for the price that off-season



Trades for prime KG? Nope. Prime Gasol? Nope. Prime Melo? Nope. Prime Dwight? Nope. Prime Amare stoudemire? Nope. And during those time periods we had assets to pull these off.

We've always been a draft or bust franchise just like all the small market teams. Ok sure we're better than most of them at getting tier 2 or 3 guys thru those avenues sure. AKME's way of doing it is brutal. They're like the Ryan Pace of the NBA always owing picks and kicking the can down the road (even did that again last week owing yet 2 more future 2nds on top of the massive depletion of picks we already have instead of just letting debts settle and starting a fresh line of debt-free credit like Ryan poles did)

Also, for a "storied" franchise, we've had 1 era of greatness that ended 25 years ago. The new crop of young stars weren't even born yet the last time we were great never seen that era live.

I would love nothing more than to be the Lakers. Multiple eras of greatness led by different crops of stars. Always in the mix to get the big FAs and/or trade demands. We aren't that. We need to tank , get high picks , and actually not blunder those high picks by taking Wendells and Patrick's over SGAs and Haliburtons. Imagine what a core of Hali, SGA and Bam would have looked like? We could have had that core. The tank fail because we don't draft well anymore either.

The Bulls kept Jerry Krause for too long. I can't imagine that he looked good in the media when it came to NBA players. He had public disagreements with Jordan, Phil Jackson, etc. I can see why they gave him a chance to rebuild the team, but he had issues there too (For example Elton Brand).

They probably kept Paxson and Gar Forman for too long to.

As for the last 6 years they not only drafted poorly, but they did a bad job of developing the players they did select. I've said it before, but if the Bulls had Utah level Markkanen that would've changed many things. In that case do they still draft PW? Do they still trade for Vuc?

I know some people don't think that version of Markkanen would happen here, and maybe it wouldn't, but the team certain didn't give him good advice or properly utilize him.

You can sorta put Wendell in that boat too. Now if course his ceiling was and still is solid starter. He never had star potential (which is what made that pick even worse we had no stars and needed to swing for the fences not lay down a bunt) but funny how pretty much immediately after landing in Orlando he became that solid starter. Here he was trash. The Bulls absolutely suck at developing guys and getting the most out of them

Ahhh.... the myth of Wendell Carter Jr.

He started all but 7 games that he played for the Bulls. Same for Orlando.

He averages 29 mpg for Orlando. He averaged 27 mpg with the Bulls.

He averages 2 more shots per 36 than he did with the Bulls, and averages 3 more PPG.

Every other per36 production stat is essentially the same as with the Bulls, except for blocked shots. He was actually significantly better blocking shots in Chicago.

He has become a poor 3 point shooter instead of a horribly bad one.

We can look at the same player, playing the exact same. When he is a Bull he is trash. When he is on another team he is a budding star.

[Stratmaster]

Kid is already mixed in with trouble with Spurs' security team assaulting Britney Spears.

Honestly, the story reads as a slow news day trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Plus, his security went to her shortly afterwards and apologised, while he also sat down with her too.

Yeah. Of all people, Spears should understand how difficult it is for security teams to deal with press, fans, stalkers and hanger-ons.

[Michael Jackson]

The Bulls kept Jerry Krause for too long. I can't imagine that he looked good in the media when it came to NBA players. He had public disagreements with Jordan, Phil Jackson, etc. I can see why they gave him a chance to rebuild the team, but he had issues there too (For example Elton Brand).

They probably kept Paxson and Gar Forman for too long to.

As for the last 6 years they not only drafted poorly, but they did a bad job of developing the players they did select. I've said it before, but if the Bulls had Utah level Markkanen that would've changed many things. In that case do they still draft PW? Do they still trade for Vuc?

I know some people don't think that version of Markkanen would happen here, and maybe it wouldn't, but the team certain didn't give him good advice or properly utilize him.

You can sorta put Wendell in that boat too. Now if course his ceiling was and still is solid starter. He never had star potential (which is what made that pick even worse we had no stars and needed to swing for the fences not lay down a bunt) but funny how pretty much immediately after landing in Orlando he became that solid starter. Here he was trash. The Bulls absolutely suck at developing guys and getting the most out of them

Ahhh.... the myth of Wendell Carter Jr.

He started all but 7 games that he played for the Bulls. Same for Orlando.

He averages 29 mpg for Orlando. He averaged 27 mpg with the Bulls.

He averages 2 more shots per 36 than he did with the Bulls, and averages 3 more PPG.

Every other per36 production stat is essentially the same as with the Bulls, except for blocked shots. He was actually significantly better blocking shots in Chicago.

He has become a poor 3 point shooter instead of a horribly bad one.

We can look at the same player, playing the exact same. When he is a Bull he is trash. When he is on another team he is a budding star.

Yeah I don’t get anything exceptional for WCJ, granted I always loathed him. He is is not “good” he got minutes on a tanking team like he did in Chicago and still is not anything impressive. Banchero though looks like the real deal.

[Michael Jackson]

Go after Pascal pls …

Pat Williams
Ayo Dosunmu
Coby White
3 future 2nd round picks



G Vooch / Drummond
F Siakam / Craig
F Derozan
G Lavine / Caruso
G Carter

Masai says no. He will let Siakim walk unless he gets a haul for him.

[stepic]

The Bulls have been in NBA hell since arguably Rose tore his ACL and definitely since they fired Thibs.

It’s ownership and front office. They don’t know how to build a winner. Still don’t.

yeah, never committed to a proper tank when they should have

can't sign the best free agents

= nba purgatory which is basically hell

I see this sentiment a lot. Bulls already got dinged for sorta kinda almost soft tanking, why do people believe Silver would allow them a proper tank? We have evidence he won't.

doesn't even have to be an in-season tank, just using your assets to play a long game, have a **** team for a bit, take on bad contracts, build up a war chest of picks like other teams have done. i'd much rather that scenario than just fielding an OK team but without any chance of winning anything. then hopefully you can luck into a star or two in the draft along the way.

[FecesOfDeath]

Didn't know Bill Simons was still a thing.

NBA hell is a figment of the imagination of desperate "writers".

We have what, like half the cap committed to after next season? Yeah, totally "stuck" lol.

But, but, but we don't have "future assets" to improve with!

(Looks around at great players selected with picks anyone could have in Jokic, Butler, Giannis, Kawhi, etc)

There is one reason and only one reason why the Bulls are in NBA Hell and at best mediocrity. That is Bulls Ownership. Look at a team like the Suns that had a garbage owner for all these years and now with an ownership change and an Owner that actually prioritizes winning above profits, the Suns have built a superteam and will probably be the favorites to win it all next year.

The same Suns team with said garbage owner, was up 2-0 in the Finals two seasons ago.

This same garbage owner bought the Suns at a time when Mike D'Antoni was still an interim coach who went 21-40, but he still kept him around, approved the signing of Steve Nash, and the SSOL offense was born.

To say that this garbage owner prioritized profits above winning was, frankly, a garbage take.

[Kurt Heimlich]

Reinsdorfs are awful owners, but that deadhorse aside the AKME era has been an ugly failure immediately following an already sluggish end for GarPax. The Bulls franchise is just so apathetically uninteresting that most of Chicago and the NBA landscape couldn't care much less about the team. So the "AMKE era" failures have come with an indifferent shoulder shrug and "I don't care about the NBA" from any person I know when mentioning the Bulls (which honestly just never even comes up in conversation anymore bc...why would it?)

[Dan Z]

Reinsdorfs are awful owners, but that deadhorse aside the AKME era has been an ugly failure immediately following an already sluggish end for GarPax. The Bulls franchise is just so apathetically uninteresting that most of Chicago and the NBA landscape couldn't care much less about the team. So the "AMKE era" failures have come with an indifferent shoulder shrug and "I don't care about the NBA" from any person I know when mentioning the Bulls (which honestly just never even comes up in conversation anymore bc...why would it?)

One of my concerns is that if AKME continues to be bad they'll still retain their jobs (because it's very much like Reinsdorf to do that).