Bulls @ Pistons 2pm CT Feb. 2 2025

[Dan Z]

76ers looking good

Not anymore.

They've played a couple of close games recently, but it's been that way because Maxey is on fire. The Sixers aren't a deep team, but I'm still surprised that they haven't caught up to the Bulls.

[Ice Man]

Mostly the same team too, they didn't really add any big names. Just some NBA roleplayers.
Biggest change was the coach, which challenges the idea that coaches don't matter.

Hard to say. The 5 biggest improvements in the NBA this year are OKC, Rockets, Griz, Cavs, and Detroit. The first three have the same coaches from last season, the other two have new coaches. So ... maybe? It's always hard to tell with a young team like Detroit, be cause if they are good players they will get better no matter who is in charge. But sure, with the right coach and situation they will get better faster.

[dougthonus]

I said this in a previous post but one of the big things they added is shooting. Tobias Harris, Malik Beasley and THJ.

Plus, Cade has been healthy this year (more than previous seasons).

Sure, the core roster is also a lot of young players that have developed and improved, but I think it's fair to say they needed a coaching change too.

[Adriano]

I said this in a previous post but one of the big things they added is shooting. Tobias Harris, Malik Beasley and THJ.

Plus, Cade has been healthy this year (more than previous seasons).

Sure, the core roster is also a lot of young players that have developed and improved, but I think it's fair to say they needed a coaching change too.

And how about us? After this Zach trade for our pick back? There is some hope for, at least, we be competitive?

I didnt post alot, but I read your opinions for 20 years. So I asked you sincerely, what do you think will be the furure for our team outside and inside the court?

[dougthonus]

And how about us? After this Zach trade for our pick back? There is some hope for, at least, we be competitive?

I didnt post alot, but I read your opinions for 20 years. So I asked you sincerely, what do you think will be the furure for our team outside and inside the court?

I don't have a lot of hope for this team while AK/ME are in charge. They just don't seem really good. That said, the majority of franchise changing moments aren't made by good GMs but are made by luck. The Bulls have to hope to get lucky and draft some star players. The next two drafts are absolutely loaded, they're in better position to get one of those guys now than they were a few days ago, but if they don't move up or pick the wrong guy or don't get lucky. Things are going to be pretty bad, and the odds are of that are higher than the odds of things turning around.

On the one hand, I think we have like a 10% chance now of becoming a really great team, which we had about a 0% chance on the previous directly. A 25%-30% chance of rebuilding into an average team, slightly better than where we were (like 1st round with chances at a 2nd round), and the rest of the odds fall into the category of being the same as we were or even worse off than what we recently experienced.

That's not overall all that promising for the short term, but the counter thought is we were also not at a point where we had better odds doing something else. We made too many bad moves and waited too long, so while those odds above are dismal for the short term and mid term future of the team, they're better on the "trade to get better right now" odds of making any meaningful lasting improvement.

[Adriano]

And how about us? After this Zach trade for our pick back? There is some hope for, at least, we be competitive?

I didnt post alot, but I read your opinions for 20 years. So I asked you sincerely, what do you think will be the furure for our team outside and inside the court?

I don't have a lot of hope for this team while AK/ME are in charge. They just don't seem really good. That said, the majority of franchise changing moments aren't made by good GMs but are made by luck. The Bulls have to hope to get lucky and draft some star players. The next two drafts are absolutely loaded, they're in better position to get one of those guys now than they were a few days ago, but if they don't move up or pick the wrong guy or don't get lucky. Things are going to be pretty bad, and the odds are of that are higher than the odds of things turning around.

On the one hand, I think we have like a 10% chance now of becoming a really great team, which we had about a 0% chance on the previous directly. A 25%-30% chance of rebuilding into an average team, slightly better than where we were (like 1st round with chances at a 2nd round), and the rest of the odds fall into the category of being the same as we were or even worse off than what we recently experienced.

That's not overall all that promising for the short term, but the counter thought is we were also not at a point where we had better odds doing something else. We made too many bad moves and waited too long, so while those odds above are dismal for the short term and mid term future of the team, they're better on the "trade to get better right now" odds of making any meaningful lasting improvement.

The resume of AK is Jokic, who he take on the 2nd round and won the lottery when he became one of the best palyers of his generarion. Sure, he take a risk that nobody, include ouselfs with Gar/Pax, in draft MPJ with the #14 pick. Kudos for him in that regard.

When he was hired he come with the mentality "there is a new sheriff in town", and dump Lauri for nothing, get Vucevic for two unprotect firsts and MPJ, a massive overpaid who cost us years of, cause Franz Wagner today is better than any player on our roster. He thinks só high of himself that I'm sure that the mentality is "we are going to be a playoff team and this pick will be arround 20 or higher". He uses our #4 pick in a guy who always come of the bench in his HS team and If he not at least see a sign of a passive player on the Interview pre-draft, he really is not good for the job, as you say. He made clear at the time that is not in his plans to draft so high anymore, so this explains we give picks like candles for childrens in the halloween.

He was so high on himself coming here, that he forgot that in the NBA nothing is simple. He put us in hell, even before LaVine trade. I think he gets Giddey, a #6 pick in 2021 maybe shows a little regret on his part about all the demage he is done. He gives a first with little protection for a guy who is about to become a UFA (DDR). He could play hard ball here, but why? We do not will need picks at the time, right?

I was satisfied with we mantaining our pick with Zach on the team, I thrive to see him with real and young talent arround him. I expectc a Vuc trade to help the tank, but LaVine, If not elite, is a 28 years old guard who matures his game and is playing the best basketball of his life. Lose him for, essentially, a pick who we never should trade is awful. Even Beal gets 4 first for him. Mikal Bridges I dont even comment... So I think the first and foremost change should be in the FO. In 4 years AK made more mistake than Garpax in more than a decade, and he lose his direction. First he doesnt believe in picks and more in free agency, now with the demage done he believes in picks.? I dont understand what hell this guy think, sincerely.

For the mods, include you, I'm sorry to post this in a game thread. I hope you guys understand my frustation as a fan from Brazil who watchs every game for ILP for so long.

Thanks for your answer.

[Indomitable]

Mostly the same team too, they didn't really add any big names. Just some NBA roleplayers.
Biggest change was the coach, which challenges the idea that coaches don't matter.

Hard to say. The 5 biggest improvements in the NBA this year are OKC, Rockets, Griz, Cavs, and Detroit. The first three have the same coaches from last season, the other two have new coaches. So ... maybe? It's always hard to tell with a young team like Detroit, be cause if they are good players they will get better no matter who is in charge. But sure, with the right coach and situation they will get better faster.

Only OKC coach has been there for more then 2 years.

The Rockets were a joke two years ago. They have become better every season.

[Indomitable]

And how about us? After this Zach trade for our pick back? There is some hope for, at least, we be competitive?

I didnt post alot, but I read your opinions for 20 years. So I asked you sincerely, what do you think will be the furure for our team outside and inside the court?

I don't have a lot of hope for this team while AK/ME are in charge. They just don't seem really good. That said, the majority of franchise changing moments aren't made by good GMs but are made by luck. The Bulls have to hope to get lucky and draft some star players. The next two drafts are absolutely loaded, they're in better position to get one of those guys now than they were a few days ago, but if they don't move up or pick the wrong guy or don't get lucky. Things are going to be pretty bad, and the odds are of that are higher than the odds of things turning around.

On the one hand, I think we have like a 10% chance now of becoming a really great team, which we had about a 0% chance on the previous directly. A 25%-30% chance of rebuilding into an average team, slightly better than where we were (like 1st round with chances at a 2nd round), and the rest of the odds fall into the category of being the same as we were or even worse off than what we recently experienced.

That's not overall all that promising for the short term, but the counter thought is we were also not at a point where we had better odds doing something else. We made too many bad moves and waited too long, so while those odds above are dismal for the short term and mid term future of the team, they're better on the "trade to get better right now" odds of making any meaningful lasting improvement.

The resume of AK is Jokic, who he take on the 2nd round and won the lottery when he became one of the best palyers of his generarion. Sure, he take a risk that nobody, include ouselfs with Gar/Pax, in draft MPJ with the #14 pick. Kudos for him in that regard.

When he was hired he come with the mentality "there is a new sheriff in town", and dump Lauri for nothing, get Vucevic for two unprotect firsts and MPJ, a massive overpaid who cost us years of, cause Franz Wagner today is better than any player on our roster. He thinks só high of himself that I'm sure that the mentality is "we are going to be a playoff team and this pick will be arround 20 or higher". He uses our #4 pick in a guy who always come of the bench in his HS team and If he not at least see a sign of a passive player on the Interview pre-draft, he really is not good for the job, as you say. He made clear at the time that is not in his plans to draft so high anymore, so this explains we give picks like candles for childrens in the halloween.

He was so high on himself coming here, that he forgot that in the NBA nothing is simple. He put us in hell, even before LaVine trade. I think he gets Giddey, a #6 pick in 2021 maybe shows a little regret on his part about all the demage he is done. He gives a first with little protection for a guy who is about to become a UFA (DDR). He could play hard ball here, but why? We do not will need picks at the time, right?

I was satisfied with we mantaining our pick with Zach on the team, I thrive to see him with real and young talent arround him. I expectc a Vuc trade to help the tank, but LaVine, If not elite, is a 28 years old guard who matures his game and is playing the best basketball of his life. Lose him for, essentially, a pick who we never should trade is awful. Even Beal gets 4 first for him. Mikal Bridges I dont even comment... So I think the first and foremost change should be in the FO. In 4 years AK made more mistake than Garpax in more than a decade, and he lose his direction. First he doesnt believe in picks and more in free agency, now with the demage done he believes in picks.? I dont understand what hell this guy think, sincerely.

For the mods, include you, I'm sorry to post this in a game thread. I hope you guys understand my frustation as a fan from Brazil who watchs every game for ILP for so long.

Thanks for your answer.

Thankyou and that has been my point. The front office is completely in over their heads but the owners could careless. It will take at least another 5 years of this nonsense.

I feel like the Clippers fans when Sterling was still in charge.

[Charlesareed]

Bulls suck with & without Zach lavine glad I don’t watch this crap