Tre Jones discussion thread

[Chi town]

Tre’s last 10 games…

32 Mins 14 7 4 on 59 57 81 shooting

His D has been stellar.

Hes much better than Zo because he gets to the rim which opens up the floor.

[HomoSapien]

Any update on his injury?

[HomoSapien]

Tre’s last 10 games…

32 Mins 14 7 4 on 59 57 81 shooting

His D has been stellar.

Hes much better than Zo because he gets to the rim which opens up the floor.

He also finishes at the rim at a shockingly high percentage. It feels like he never misses a layup.

[Chi town]

Tre’s last 10 games…

32 Mins 14 7 4 on 59 57 81 shooting

His D has been stellar.

Hes much better than Zo because he gets to the rim which opens up the floor.

He also finishes at the rim at a shockingly high percentage. It feels like he never misses a layup.

Yep. His feel for the game is crazy impressive.

[WindyCityBorn]

If I have a choice I’m keeping Jones over Zo. Because he’s good and available. We already know Zo might play 60 games at the absolute most.

I say resign Jones and sort the guard situation through trades.

[League Circles]

Jones has the best point skills of a Bulls player at the 1 position since Rondo or Derrick Rose.

[sco]

Jones has the best point skills of a Bulls player at the 1 position since Rondo or Derrick Rose.

That's not such high praise given the dreck we've had there.

[sco]

Can someone please help me with sequencing. Say we wanted to keep Jones. Can we resign him at say $12M without trading anyone beforehand, assuming we make the necessary salary trade before the season starts? There's the issue of being in the tax they'd need to address, but can't that be addressed at the deadline?

[Chi town]

Can someone please help me with sequencing. Say we wanted to keep Jones. Can we resign him at say $12M without trading anyone beforehand, assuming we make the necessary salary trade before the season starts? There's the issue of being in the tax they'd need to address, but can't that be addressed at the deadline?

Yes. Tax can be addressed later hence all the teams at the TDL that makes moves to get under the tax.

I’m anticipating Vuc being traded for less or little salary and a future 2nd. This will open up space.

[League Circles]

Can someone please help me with sequencing. Say we wanted to keep Jones. Can we resign him at say $12M without trading anyone beforehand, assuming we make the necessary salary trade before the season starts? There's the issue of being in the tax they'd need to address, but can't that be addressed at the deadline?

I'm also a bit confused. I wrongly thought we had bird rights on Tre and he was going to be a restricted free agent. I now realize he's a UFA, but do we have any advantage in terms of the CBA to re-sign him over any other team? If not, frankly playing him big minutes to help us win games is a mistake IMO. Though without Ball and Ayo, somewhat of a necessary one. I suppose we could play Carter over him, but maybe that would be too egregious cause obviously Jones deserves it more. Just feels like we're hurting our draft pick to feature a guy that we have zero reason to presume we can keep.

I also don't understand what you're saying in terms of "necessary salary trade" or even the tax. Looks to me like if Jones gets 12 and Giddey gets like 30 and we pick 11th, we're still under the tax.

[NecessaryEvil]

Keep Zo and re-sign Trey. Figure out the rest later.

That’s called, one of them good problems.

[WindyCityBorn]

Keep Zo and re-sign Trey. Figure out the rest later.

That’s called, one of them good problems.

Agreed. Jones is a good asset.

[WindyCityBorn]

Jones has the best point skills of a Bulls player at the 1 position since Rondo or Derrick Rose.

What? Giddey might be the best passer/facilitator in the entire history of the Bulls. I guess you don’t consider him a 1?

[League Circles]

Jones has the best point skills of a Bulls player at the 1 position since Rondo or Derrick Rose.

What? Giddey might be the best passer/facilitator in the entire history of the Bulls. I guess you don’t consider him a 1?

Yeah, he's not a 1, never has been and never will be. He's certainly a pure "point", and I absolutely agree he's as good of a passer /facilitator as I've ever seen in a Bulls uniform. He just does it primarily from the 3 position. That's why I always use numbers to refer to positions instead of the terms. I think in terms of defensive position which is just a gradient from 1 (quick, perimeter based) to 5 (slower, longer, basket oriented), cause offensive skill sets don't correlate very well with defensive gradient. Jokic or LeBron are "points" just like Giddey, but do it from the 5 and 4 spots. A lot of 1s actually aren't points, or haven't been in modern Bulls history at least, like Ben Gordon and Coby White in particular.

[CROBulls]

Jones has the best point skills of a Bulls player at the 1 position since Rondo or Derrick Rose.

What? Giddey might be the best passer/facilitator in the entire history of the Bulls. I guess you don’t consider him a 1?

If you going that way Rondo is by far best passer in entire history of Bulls.

[League Circles]

Jones has the best point skills of a Bulls player at the 1 position since Rondo or Derrick Rose.

What? Giddey might be the best passer/facilitator in the entire history of the Bulls. I guess you don’t consider him a 1?

If you going that way Rondo is by far best passer in entire history of Bulls.

Rondo was definitely on Giddey's level, maybe higher. I can't remember how great he really still was even at passing in his one year with the Bulls though. They definitely stood out to me as probably the two best passers. I'd probably give the edge to Giddey cause his size provides him a wider range of passing angles - vertically and horiztontally, than Rondo.

[pipfan]

Trade Ayo to BRK for the #27 pick (Bulls free up some space)
Resign Giddy-4 years/$112 million
Vuc to Char for Nurkic/#37 pick
Try and extend CWhite

White/Jones/Carter
Ball/Huerter
Giddy/Phillips/Terry
Matas/PWill
Collins/Smith/Nurkic
Draft BPA at #10. I like 10 guys in this draft-Newell would be my favorite in that range
Pick highest upside guy at #27
With 2 seconds, try some Euro stash type, and a two way prospect

[WindyCityBorn]

Jones has the best point skills of a Bulls player at the 1 position since Rondo or Derrick Rose.

What? Giddey might be the best passer/facilitator in the entire history of the Bulls. I guess you don’t consider him a 1?

If you going that way Rondo is by far best passer in entire history of Bulls.

By far? He may higher assist per game averages, but I disagree as far as actual court vision and passing ability. Individual assist numbers have gone down in the NBA overall as the role of PGs have changed.

[sco]

Trade Ayo to BRK for the #27 pick (Bulls free up some space)
Resign Giddy-4 years/$112 million
Vuc to Char for Nurkic/#37 pick
Try and extend CWhite

White/Jones/Carter
Ball/Huerter
Giddy/Phillips/Terry
Matas/PWill
Collins/Smith/Nurkic
Draft BPA at #10. I like 10 guys in this draft-Newell would be my favorite in that range
Pick highest upside guy at #27
With 2 seconds, try some Euro stash type, and a two way prospect

I like that, generally...especially the Ayo deal.

Don't see why CHA does the Vuc deal. Vuc would be their back-up C, and I'm not sure the delta is worth even a 2nd.

I wonder if CHA has any interest in uniting the Ball bros. My deal would be Ball + our pick + filler for Williams or Ball + Williams + our pick + filler for Bridges.

[dougthonus]

Can someone please help me with sequencing. Say we wanted to keep Jones. Can we resign him at say $12M without trading anyone beforehand, assuming we make the necessary salary trade before the season starts? There's the issue of being in the tax they'd need to address, but can't that be addressed at the deadline?

Yes. Tax can be addressed later hence all the teams at the TDL that makes moves to get under the tax.

I’m anticipating Vuc being traded for less or little salary and a future 2nd. This will open up space.

You can trade at the deadline to get under the tax, but you will have to give up assets to do so. Are the Bulls in a position that they want to give up assets to avoid the tax? We are a crap team, we shouldn't be signing bottom end rotation players that take us into the tax then paying draft picks to get out of it.

There's no way that we're going to trade Vuc for money savings and a pick next year. We would have already done that this year if we could.