PG: 1-2-3 Cancun

[madvillian]

[WindyCityBorn]

For sure. I don't expect his value to be that high though. His affordable contract helps though. Maybe they get a mid round 1st for him?

Do you mean something like Orlando's pick (#16) in the draft? That's not very exciting.

It's probably a better outcome than giving him the bag, though.

Agreed. He might be OK there as the 3rd option that only scores. We need more than that from him and he will money he isn’t worth.

[ScrantonBulls]

This was a blessing. The fans needed to understand just how far away we are, as does AK.

It’s also better for negotiating with Giddey that we got spanked quick. Not that he’s losing money, but had he played great and lead us into a decent round against Cleveland his value would have gone way up.

And it’s better for our lottery odds. Which we very clearly need.

You think AK will really understand how far away we are? I have my doubts.

We got absolutely obliterated at home by a very middling Miami team. All of our weaknesses were on full display. Especially defensively and the lack of #1 or #2 scorer.

They got spanked the 2 previous seasons in the play in as well. AKME never seem to learn.

[Dan Z]

This was a blessing. The fans needed to understand just how far away we are, as does AK.

It’s also better for negotiating with Giddey that we got spanked quick. Not that he’s losing money, but had he played great and lead us into a decent round against Cleveland his value would have gone way up.

And it’s better for our lottery odds. Which we very clearly need.

You think AK will really understand how far away we are? I have my doubts.

We got absolutely obliterated at home by a very middling Miami team. All of our weaknesses were on full display. Especially defensively and the lack of #1 or #2 scorer.

I know, but every year he' has been here AK cites a stat from the season and basically says "we were good except...". He did it one year when he talked about winning against good teams but losing against bad ones. I bet he'll talk about the good run they had this year and say they can build on it.

[aguifs]

Watching the Kings play... Damn.

It's Bulls 2.0

[Shill]

Coby is at his highest.

For sure. I don't expect his value to be that high though. His affordable contract helps though. Maybe they get a mid round 1st for him?

Do you mean something like Orlando's pick (#16) in the draft? That's not very exciting.

Take whatever you can get for Coby.

Same for Vuc.

We need to keep throwing draft picks at athletic, two-way wing players until we find one who's really good.

[ShouldaPaidBG]

Um. Ok cool at least we know we don't have to pay anyone.

And as his biggest hater, shout out to Vuc the only guy that showed up.

[kodo]

What really sucks is that a bad blowout in the play-in should cause the VP and/or coach to be fired, but we know AK & Billy will just be back again while Malone & Booth were fired for only having a 4th seed.

[DuckIII]

This was a blessing. The fans needed to understand just how far away we are, as does AK.

It’s also better for negotiating with Giddey that we got spanked quick. Not that he’s losing money, but had he played great and lead us into a decent round against Cleveland his value would have gone way up.

And it’s better for our lottery odds. Which we very clearly need.

You think AK will really understand how far away we are? I have my doubts.

While I freely recognize and compliment him when he does do something right, which is uncommon though does happen, my overarching opinion is that no I do not trust him to do smart things.

[WindyCityBorn]

Um. Ok cool at least we know we don't have to pay anyone.

And as his biggest hater, shout out to Vuc the only guy that showed up.

Vuc sucked. What game did you watch?

And we will have to pay Giddey. Nothing that happened tonight changed that.

[TheSuzerain]

The Kings reuniting Derozan and Zach is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.

[burlydee]

Um. Ok cool at least we know we don't have to pay anyone.

And as his biggest hater, shout out to Vuc the only guy that showed up.

Vuc was garbage. Miami continuously attacked him in the 1st half. Green font?

[RSP83]

We were never in this game. Really came out poorly. Defense atrocious. Offense nonexistent.

But the biggest disappointment was Coby White.

5-20 17pts 7 turnovers.

No one really had a good game, but they were basically themselves. Giddey wasn't great but he still had 25/10. The largest variance was Coby. And that was what was disappointing. He needs to do better.

Now that the season is over, its all on AK.

He needs to pick a rising star for this team. I give him credit for Matas. I love that kid. But we need more like Matas going forward.

So now AKME need to get off their butts and go to work.

Yeah, Coby deserves getting all the heat (no pun intended). Being the guy for your team comes with a territory. His measure going forward will be higher if the FO sees Coby as that guy. I think many here has been pretty clear on our take that we are still not buying that Coby is that guy. The worst case scenario for Coby happened tonight.

My biggest disappointment is with Vuc. Not that I should expect much from him given his known shortcoming on defense. But the guy really offers little value to have around. He's not good enough to make a meaningful difference both short-term and long-term.

To me Billy seems like a Point A to Point B type coach for this team. Billy is not really a tactical guy, and we know this from 5 years of experience with him at the helm. He's relatively good in developing young players (not named Patrick Williams) and getting guys to play hard. But post-season basketball has always been tactical basketball. If Billy is not that guy, then I'm looking at his staff. We replaced Fleming and Cheeks with Wes Unseld Jr. and Dan Craig. I assume they're brought in to complement Billy from tactical standpoint. We only have a small sample but not seeing any difference from them right now. I don't mind riding with Billy next season as long as the FO is committed to go on full development mode (which also means we need to move Vuc in any way possible).

[Shill]

Trade Coby and Vuc.

Start:

C Smith
PF Buzelis
SF Terry/Phillips
SG Ayo
PG Giddey


Lose a bunch of games and find out who the keepers are.

[MrSparkle]

This game was simply a train-wreck.

Playing Zach and Jalen a total of 8 minutes was just stupid. I get that neither came in and made a difference, but that’s a hard job subbing in and making an impact with a random bench lineup. Pat and Terry, no less.

I have every reason to believe Donovan is a weak decision maker. Kudos to the guys person-ability and system he got the guys to buy into, but Spo started Ware and Bam and just decided to have a nearly 100% FG high-volume half in the paint.

But Coby also showed his streaky side. Like i said, he’s either on or off. There’s no in-between.

I hate how this franchise leaves such a sour taste every year. The defense in the first half was just deplorable.

[HearshotKDS]

Kind of a let down after the last 25 games but also an important lesson on how much improvement the team needs. For the first time since lonzo’s knee imploded I feel like the team at least has the potential to improve instead of being doomed to showing up next year as a day later, dollar shorter version of last year. Hopefully we get some luck in the lotto and can move Vuc (who did have a good year but isn’t what the team needs going forward) for a more defensive minded rim running C.

[burlydee]

I think the net positive is that the Bulls don't get over invested in this late season run. To me, the initial moves are clear...

1. Drop Vuc. You can't have a Giddey/Coby backcourt with Vuc at the 5. It's a disaster. He's not a starter anymore.

2. Trade Ayo or Ball. People are rushing to trade Coby, and I'd like to garner his value, but if you're sticking with Giddey, Coby is the best match on the roster. Perhaps more importantly, Ayo and Ball are not great fits.

3. Get bigger and more physical. The Bulls need a new PF and Center. Matas is a 3/4 but i like to imagine the Bulls as a big, running team and having Matas play 3 i think unlocks things.

Build through the draft, try to get more young undervalued guys like Giddey and Jones, and take your time. Don't make the mistake you did with Vuc and Demar.

[bullskokie]

Keep Vuc, Coby, Giddey and especially Pat… but change the uniform to Windy City!

[Dominator83]

You can't build around Coby and Giddey. If you do, this is the outcome you're looking at year after year.

Giddey can be a key building block, but not on a max contract.

We have a whole off season now to analyze all this but I think best case scenario would be to keep Giddey/Coby/ Matas and someway somehow add a star. That would be a legit team.

I do agree though if Giddey gets max or anything close it would hurt their chances to build a better team. Let’s hope the Nets back off this offseason so he doesn’t get overpaid by the bulls

The problem is, it's AKME. Their idea of going to get a "Star", will be by trading away future 1sts for a guy like Julius Randle or Paul George

[NecessaryEvil]

For sure. I don't expect his value to be that high though. His affordable contract helps though. Maybe they get a mid round 1st for him?

Do you mean something like Orlando's pick (#16) in the draft? That's not very exciting.

Take whatever you can get for Coby.

Same for Vuc.

We need to keep throwing draft picks at athletic, two-way wing players until we find one who's really good.

Take what you can get for Coby?!?

That’s wild wtf