Shams: Bulls Resign Tre Jones 3 years/$24m

[Guru]

This would actually be one of AK's few good moves.

Over his last 12 games Tre averaged 14,6,4 on 62.5/45.8/82.6 shooting and 1 STL.

Sure it was mickey mouse march but impressive numbers nonetheless.

LOL

[DuckIII]

Strong value signing. I’ve always considered Tre and Ayo an either/or proposition unless Colby were traded.

I absolutely think in isolation this is a great deal. But I need to see the complete picture with these guards before I pass final judgment on what choices they have made.

[GoBlue72391]

Great deal, less than what he was making when he got him and he's played better lately.

Ayo must be gone, really liked his time here.

Why can’t Ayo be the 3rd guard behind Jones and Coby? Ago isn’t a pure PG, but he’s a nice combo guard off the bench.

One of Jones/Ayo would be the 4th guard if everyone remains on the team.

Giddey/Coby
Jones/Ayo

[DASMACKDOWN]

Great signing!

But I dont actually think it means Ayo is moved. Ayo wasnt moved the last time when there were 5 guards already on the team.

When you figure the current signings so far this year, I think Ayo's number will be within the 140% of what we can pay.

[jordanwilliams6]

Great deal, less than what he was making when he got him and he's played better lately.

Ayo must be gone, really liked his time here.

Why can’t Ayo be the 3rd guard behind Jones and Coby? Ago isn’t a pure PG, but he’s a nice combo guard off the bench.

One of Jones/Ayo would be the 4th guard if everyone remains on the team.

Giddey/Coby
Jones/Ayo

Billy has always played 3 guard lineups. Giddey might run the offense but he played SF on defense next to Lavine & Ayo last year as the SG.

Giddey, Coby, Ayo, Okoro, Jones & Huerter is our 1-3 rotation. They are all more or less interchangeable amongst each other with many different combinations.

[dougthonus]

I like this move a lot.

I don't know what the market for Ayo / Coby is, but we should move at least one of them (or simply not bring Giddey back would also be fine).

[Red Larrivee]

Great signing!

But I dont actually think it means Ayo is moved. Ayo wasnt moved the last time when there were 5 guards already on the team.

When you figure the current signings so far this year, I think Ayo's number will be within the 140% of what we can pay.

Someone's not going to play:

Giddey/Jones
White/Ayo or Okoro
Huerter/Williams
Buzelis/Essengue
Vuc/Collins/Smith

DNP: Terry, Phillips, Carter, Smith/Collins

There's definitely a logjam right now in the backcourt. They just traded for Okoro, so you'd have to figure it's a lock that Coby or Ayo will not be here.

I think the best move would be trading one of them for a rim running big, and then buying out Vuc (unless you can move him in the same deal)

[League Circles]

I like this move a lot.

I don't know what the market for Ayo / Coby is, but we should move at least one of them (or simply not bring Giddey back would also be fine).

Yeah, ideally it's Ayo and Vuc packaged for either a better 5 or for a garbage salary like Khris Middleton and pick(s). But if Giddey for some reason leaves I'd be more ok keeping Ayo.

I think a trade of Coby would have to be a seriously big trade. He was just too good last year and provides a ton of what we lack most. It would have to bring back an unprotected first in next year's draft projected to be top 5, or an all star caliber prospect still on a rookie deal, or in a package for a superstar type.

[dougthonus]

I like this move a lot.

I don't know what the market for Ayo / Coby is, but we should move at least one of them (or simply not bring Giddey back would also be fine).

Yeah, ideally it's Ayo and Vuc packaged for either a better 5 or for a garbage salary like Khris Middleton and pick(s). But if Giddey for some reason leaves I'd be more ok keeping Ayo.

I think a trade of Coby would have to be a seriously big trade. He was just too good last year and provides a ton of what we lack most. It would have to bring back an unprotected first in next year's draft projected to be top 5, or an all star caliber prospect still on a rookie deal, or in a package for a superstar type.

The case for trading Coby is that you're going to have to pay him big time next year, and poor man's Zach LaVine isn't going to be a guy you want to pay big time, but fundamentally that isn't a Coby problem, but a team building problem we generally have.

From a value/$ perspective the best contracts are typically:
Good rookies
Vet min guys
sub MLE guys that hit
legit max guys

The worst contracts are typically above MLE but sub-MAX guys.

We're looking to collect a lot of guys in that typically bad contract range. It's hard to build a good value per dollar team in that way.

[Jcool0]

I like this move a lot.

I don't know what the market for Ayo / Coby is, but we should move at least one of them (or simply not bring Giddey back would also be fine).

Yeah, ideally it's Ayo and Vuc packaged for either a better 5 or for a garbage salary like Khris Middleton and pick(s). But if Giddey for some reason leaves I'd be more ok keeping Ayo.

I think a trade of Coby would have to be a seriously big trade. He was just too good last year and provides a ton of what we lack most. It would have to bring back an unprotected first in next year's draft projected to be top 5, or an all star caliber prospect still on a rookie deal, or in a package for a superstar type.

Coby is in no mans land. A bad team isn't giving up a lot for him because he wont change anything and a good team wont give up a lot because he projects to be a 6th man.

[League Circles]

I like this move a lot.

I don't know what the market for Ayo / Coby is, but we should move at least one of them (or simply not bring Giddey back would also be fine).

Yeah, ideally it's Ayo and Vuc packaged for either a better 5 or for a garbage salary like Khris Middleton and pick(s). But if Giddey for some reason leaves I'd be more ok keeping Ayo.

I think a trade of Coby would have to be a seriously big trade. He was just too good last year and provides a ton of what we lack most. It would have to bring back an unprotected first in next year's draft projected to be top 5, or an all star caliber prospect still on a rookie deal, or in a package for a superstar type.

The case for trading Coby is that you're going to have to pay him big time next year, and poor man's Zach LaVine isn't going to be a guy you want to pay big time, but fundamentally that isn't a Coby problem, but a team building problem we generally have.

From a value/$ perspective the best contracts are typically:
Good rookies
Vet min guys
sub MLE guys that hit
legit max guys

The worst contracts are typically above MLE but sub-MAX guys.

We're looking to collect a lot of guys in that typically bad contract range. It's hard to build a good value per dollar team in that way.

Idk, looks like just Coby and Giddey for now. Matas obviously projects to be in that range, or maybe a legit max guy, but that's also in 3 years. Okoro, Smith, and now Jones are all sub MLE guys. Collins, Vuc, and Huerter don't project to be part of the future, not at MLE plus that's for sure. Patrick is a bit above the MLE but I think everyone including the Bulls knows that was a mistake. They'd let him go if they could.

I think Coby is trending to be better than Zach as an all around player and leader.

[ChiTownHero1992]

Great signing!

But I dont actually think it means Ayo is moved. Ayo wasnt moved the last time when there were 5 guards already on the team.

When you figure the current signings so far this year, I think Ayo's number will be within the 140% of what we can pay.

Someone's not going to play:

Giddey/Jones
White/Ayo or Okoro
Huerter/Williams
Buzelis/Essengue
Vuc/Collins/Smith

DNP: Terry, Phillips, Carter, Smith/Collins

There's definitely a logjam right now in the backcourt. They just traded for Okoro, so you'd have to figure it's a lock that Coby or Ayo will not be here.

I think the best move would be trading one of them for a rim running big, and then buying out Vuc (unless you can move him in the same deal)

Personally i dont see Essengue playing regularly until near/post-trade deadline and Collins likely as a spot minute guy:

Giddey/Jones
White/Ayo
Huerter/Okoro
Buzelis/Williams
Vuc/Smith/Collins

Rare minutes from Essengue, Terry, Phillips and almost no minutes ever for Carter

We're essentially preaching the same thing as the last 4 years continuity - brought back the same team yet again but swapped Lonzo for Okoro. My gut tells me sure AKME are trying to make moves but who wants to pay for any of the players we have TBH, no one on this roster besides Giddey/Buze/Coby are worth assets and Coby is a turn off to a lot of teams for the same reason we want to trade him, he needs to get paid.

[Red Larrivee]

Great signing!

But I dont actually think it means Ayo is moved. Ayo wasnt moved the last time when there were 5 guards already on the team.

When you figure the current signings so far this year, I think Ayo's number will be within the 140% of what we can pay.

Someone's not going to play:

Giddey/Jones
White/Ayo or Okoro
Huerter/Williams
Buzelis/Essengue
Vuc/Collins/Smith

DNP: Terry, Phillips, Carter, Smith/Collins

There's definitely a logjam right now in the backcourt. They just traded for Okoro, so you'd have to figure it's a lock that Coby or Ayo will not be here.

I think the best move would be trading one of them for a rim running big, and then buying out Vuc (unless you can move him in the same deal)

Personally i dont see Essengue playing regularly until near/post-trade deadline and Collins likely as a spot minute guy:

Giddey/Jones
White/Ayo
Huerter/Okoro
Buzelis/Williams
Vuc/Smith/Collins

Rare minutes from Essengue, Terry, Phillips and almost no minutes ever for Carter

We're essentially preaching the same thing as the last 4 years continuity - brought back the same team yet again but swapped Lonzo for Okoro

We have up to 8 protected rotation players who've been with the Bulls for a full season or less. I don't think that qualifies as continuity.

But, I think it's a fair point that Essengue may not be a consistent rotation player to start the year.

[_txchilibowl_]

I like this move a lot.

I don't know what the market for Ayo / Coby is, but we should move at least one of them (or simply not bring Giddey back would also be fine).

Yeah, ideally it's Ayo and Vuc packaged for either a better 5 or for a garbage salary like Khris Middleton and pick(s). But if Giddey for some reason leaves I'd be more ok keeping Ayo.

I think a trade of Coby would have to be a seriously big trade. He was just too good last year and provides a ton of what we lack most. It would have to bring back an unprotected first in next year's draft projected to be top 5, or an all star caliber prospect still on a rookie deal, or in a package for a superstar type.

The case for trading Coby is that you're going to have to pay him big time next year, and poor man's Zach LaVine isn't going to be a guy you want to pay big time, but fundamentally that isn't a Coby problem, but a team building problem we generally have.

From a value/$ perspective the best contracts are typically:
Good rookies
Vet min guys
sub MLE guys that hit
legit max guys

The worst contracts are typically above MLE but sub-MAX guys.

We're looking to collect a lot of guys in that typically bad contract range. It's hard to build a good value per dollar team in that way.

Is Coby a poor man's Lavine?

[Lexluthor]

Yeah, ideally it's Ayo and Vuc packaged for either a better 5 or for a garbage salary like Khris Middleton and pick(s). But if Giddey for some reason leaves I'd be more ok keeping Ayo.

I think a trade of Coby would have to be a seriously big trade. He was just too good last year and provides a ton of what we lack most. It would have to bring back an unprotected first in next year's draft projected to be top 5, or an all star caliber prospect still on a rookie deal, or in a package for a superstar type.

The case for trading Coby is that you're going to have to pay him big time next year, and poor man's Zach LaVine isn't going to be a guy you want to pay big time, but fundamentally that isn't a Coby problem, but a team building problem we generally have.

From a value/$ perspective the best contracts are typically:
Good rookies
Vet min guys
sub MLE guys that hit
legit max guys

The worst contracts are typically above MLE but sub-MAX guys.

We're looking to collect a lot of guys in that typically bad contract range. It's hard to build a good value per dollar team in that way.

Is Coby a poor man's Lavine?

If anything he reminds me of a cheaper version of De’Aaron Fox

[Chi town]

Great signing!

But I dont actually think it means Ayo is moved. Ayo wasnt moved the last time when there were 5 guards already on the team.

When you figure the current signings so far this year, I think Ayo's number will be within the 140% of what we can pay.

Someone's not going to play:

Giddey/Jones
White/Ayo or Okoro
Huerter/Williams
Buzelis/Essengue
Vuc/Collins/Smith

DNP: Terry, Phillips, Carter, Smith/Collins

There's definitely a logjam right now in the backcourt. They just traded for Okoro, so you'd have to figure it's a lock that Coby or Ayo will not be here.

I think the best move would be trading one of them for a rim running big, and then buying out Vuc (unless you can move him in the same deal)

Noa will be the one watching until the deadline much like Buz last year… until he takes all of Pat’s mins with his energy and motor.

I will be shocked if they buyout Vuc. Very unJerry.

[jnrjr79]

Great signing!

But I dont actually think it means Ayo is moved. Ayo wasnt moved the last time when there were 5 guards already on the team.

When you figure the current signings so far this year, I think Ayo's number will be within the 140% of what we can pay.

Someone's not going to play:

Giddey/Jones
White/Ayo or Okoro
Huerter/Williams
Buzelis/Essengue
Vuc/Collins/Smith

DNP: Terry, Phillips, Carter, Smith/Collins

There's definitely a logjam right now in the backcourt. They just traded for Okoro, so you'd have to figure it's a lock that Coby or Ayo will not be here.

I think the best move would be trading one of them for a rim running big, and then buying out Vuc (unless you can move him in the same deal)

Noa will be the one watching until the deadline much like Buz last year… until he takes all of Pat’s mins with his energy and motor.

I will be shocked if they buyout Vuc. Very unJerry.

I doubt they buy him out, because if they can’t trade him this offseason, they’ll probably hold onto hope they can move him at the deadline. But Jerry doesn’t have anything to do with it. The Bulls will not spend any more money if they buy out Vooch b/c he’ll stay on the books. And there is precedent for this sort of thing with Boozer and Wade.

[PlayerUp]

If Tre plays anywhere near the level he did in March consistently, this will be AKME biggest steal signings to date.

$8m for a player that can produce 14.5/7 on good defense, great shooting.

With most of AKME moves being questionable to date, this one stands out as one of the few exceptions and was a great value signing.

[Chi town]

If Tre plays anywhere near the level he did in March consistently, this will be AKME biggest steal signings to date.

$8m for a player that can produce 14.5/7 on good defense, great shooting.

With most of AKME moves being questionable to date, this one stands out as one of the few exceptions and was a great value signing.

And… the Bulls will be winning a lot of games.

Tre does all the little things to win. Very consistent. He will help Buz and Noa a lot.

[FriedRise]

Yeah I don't think Essengue is gonna play much. There are too many better players in front of him. Also agree that they don't really need to trade Ayo for the sake of it, but they should if there's interest and the return is solid. Ayo is a player who you can play 1-3 and fits the way Billy wants to play.

Giddey / Jones
Coby / Ayo
Huerter / Okoro
Buzelis / Pat
Vooch / Smith or Collins

Injuries will happen, but even then he'll still have Jevon Carter, Dalen Terry, and Julian Philips ahead of him in the rotation. I see a lot of WCB stint for Essengue at least for the first half of the year.