Billy Donovan hired as next Bulls coach - Full coaching staff p43

[TheStig]

Sounds like Presti is also a player kind of guy.


The Foreman style of GMing where you just act like the boss and the players are the peons isn't going to work in the modern NBA. Getting a pro player guy like Eversley who specializes in relationship handling was a good move IMO.

It still works. See Pat Riley. The important part is picking the right players. That's something Gar never could acomplish and when he did, he'd trade them for scraps.

Riley has great relationships with a lot of his players though. Most love him and he gives them chances to succeed even when they screw up.
They get a bit mad when he moves on from them but overall he's not as bad as that reputations makes him out to be.

Riley and Pop, the two succesful (what Gar was missing) are very old school and very strict. Much more than most FO's in this modern time. The big difference is they have titles.

[MrFortune3]

Wherever Pat Riley went, he was successful. He was a competitor and knew how to motivate his players. In my opinion, LeBron is too sensitive and couldn’t handle that pressure.

I think LeBron's issue has always been control since he was in Cleveland.
He had his way there but no one would join him. He went to the Heat but Riley was in full control. When he went back to Cleveland he exhausted the franchises assets to improve after they went all in and he couldn't control things. When he went to the Lakers they kissed his ass but Magic and Pelinka also convinced him to do things a little different.
He wanted to go big again and the Lakers had no problem with it since he is in that rare time of a athletes career where you cannot leave anything on the table to future seasons are the regression could come at any point.

LeBron is the biggest egotistical player in the NBA, but you have to be if you want to be great. He wanted control and only looked after himself. He’s a very intelligent person, but sometimes I question his sincerity. I feel he does a great job building his brand, but that comes with exhausting everything else around him to make himself look good. I don’t question his talent or his success, I just think he’s not the same type of quality player and person MJ was.

Every athlete has a massive ego. They have to to be good at their respective sports.
I have no issue with egos, some provide more soundbite and clips than others.

He's trying to maximize all of the remaining years he has left to play at his potential peak. He's going to want a loaded roster and win now moves with no care for the future.
Riley while wanting to win wasn't going to do that. The Cavs had no assets left to improve the team.

[MrFortune3]

It still works. See Pat Riley. The important part is picking the right players. That's something Gar never could acomplish and when he did, he'd trade them for scraps.

Riley has great relationships with a lot of his players though. Most love him and he gives them chances to succeed even when they screw up.
They get a bit mad when he moves on from them but overall he's not as bad as that reputations makes him out to be.

Riley and Pop, the two succesful (what Gar was missing) are very old school and very strict. Much more than most FO's in this modern time. The big difference is they have titles.

Yeah but their players also tend to love them. Kawhi was the first real instance of a star player clashing with Pops so much that he wanted out.

No one loved Gar, Pax or Boylen for real. Most just tolerated them and wanted to win. Thibs is strict too, but I would guess that players would be more forgiving of him than Gar and Pax.

[sco]

Wherever Pat Riley went, he was successful. He was a competitor and knew how to motivate his players. In my opinion, LeBron is too sensitive and couldn’t handle that pressure.

I think LeBron's issue has always been control since he was in Cleveland.
He had his way there but no one would join him. He went to the Heat but Riley was in full control. When he went back to Cleveland he exhausted the franchises assets to improve after they went all in and he couldn't control things. When he went to the Lakers they kissed his ass but Magic and Pelinka also convinced him to do things a little different.
He wanted to go big again and the Lakers had no problem with it since he is in that rare time of a athletes career where you cannot leave anything on the table to future seasons are the regression could come at any point.

LeBron is the biggest egotistical player in the NBA, but you have to be if you want to be great. He wanted control and only looked after himself. He’s a very intelligent person, but sometimes I question his sincerity. I feel he does a great job building his brand, but that comes with exhausting everything else around him to make himself look good. I don’t question his talent or his success, I just think he’s not the same type of quality player and person MJ was.

I loved MJ more than most, but, depending on how I read the bold, I might disagree. MJ was perhaps the most competitive sports figure in the 20th century, but I'm not thinking he rose to the same heights as a person. I think LBJ has done more philanthropically than MJ.

[PhilLeotardo]

It still works. See Pat Riley. The important part is picking the right players. That's something Gar never could acomplish and when he did, he'd trade them for scraps.

Riley has great relationships with a lot of his players though. Most love him and he gives them chances to succeed even when they screw up.
They get a bit mad when he moves on from them but overall he's not as bad as that reputations makes him out to be.

Riley and Pop, the two succesful (what Gar was missing) are very old school and very strict. Much more than most FO's in this modern time. The big difference is they have titles.

Lol yeah no. Not even close. Riley & Popovich are beloved by all. They’re friends with their players & their players families. There’s a reason players continuously resign with them, because they’re made to feel like a part of something bigger, like family. Literally the complete opposite of the Forman regime. Are you joking around with that comparison??

Forman didn’t even attend games. It was a typical old school “I’m the rich white frat boy fat cat boss, shut the hell up & do what you’re told. Don’t talk back, don’t question me, otherwise we will bench your a** & bury you”. Typical old school corporate nonsense

Good grief, why on earth do you think players didn’t want to play for the Chicago freaking Bulls? Forman had cameras & moles planted in offices, locker rooms, and at the Berto Centre. He was despised by everyone. He fired Thibodeau so he could give his frat boy buddy a job, based on ZERO merit. He literally has NOTHING whatsoever in common with Pat Riley & Gregg f**** Popovich lmao. Where do you guys come up with some of this crap??

[PhilLeotardo]

Riley has great relationships with a lot of his players though. Most love him and he gives them chances to succeed even when they screw up.
They get a bit mad when he moves on from them but overall he's not as bad as that reputations makes him out to be.

Riley and Pop, the two succesful (what Gar was missing) are very old school and very strict. Much more than most FO's in this modern time. The big difference is they have titles.

Yeah but their players also tend to love them. Kawhi was the first real instance of a star player clashing with Pops so much that he wanted out.

No one loved Gar, Pax or Boylen for real. Most just tolerated them and wanted to win. Thibs is strict too, but I would guess that players would be more forgiving of him than Gar and Pax.

Pretty positive he/she is just messing around with you lol

[TheStig]

Riley has great relationships with a lot of his players though. Most love him and he gives them chances to succeed even when they screw up.
They get a bit mad when he moves on from them but overall he's not as bad as that reputations makes him out to be.

Riley and Pop, the two succesful (what Gar was missing) are very old school and very strict. Much more than most FO's in this modern time. The big difference is they have titles.

Yeah but their players also tend to love them. Kawhi was the first real instance of a star player clashing with Pops so much that he wanted out.

No one loved Gar, Pax or Boylen for real. Most just tolerated them and wanted to win. Thibs is strict too, but I would guess that players would be more forgiving of him than Gar and Pax.

Oh I agree with you. I mentioned in my last post that Gar wasn't successful. If Riley, Thibs, Pop weren't successful, then players would want out.

[TheStig]

Riley and Pop, the two succesful (what Gar was missing) are very old school and very strict. Much more than most FO's in this modern time. The big difference is they have titles.

Yeah but their players also tend to love them. Kawhi was the first real instance of a star player clashing with Pops so much that he wanted out.

No one loved Gar, Pax or Boylen for real. Most just tolerated them and wanted to win. Thibs is strict too, but I would guess that players would be more forgiving of him than Gar and Pax.

Pretty positive he/she is just messing around with you lol

My point is that those guys had a lot of success and won titles. Players are willing to give them more power and understanding because they will win. They're the last of the old guard. All the other franchises are moving to players orgs.

[PhilLeotardo]

Riley and Pop, the two succesful (what Gar was missing) are very old school and very strict. Much more than most FO's in this modern time. The big difference is they have titles.

Yeah but their players also tend to love them. Kawhi was the first real instance of a star player clashing with Pops so much that he wanted out.

No one loved Gar, Pax or Boylen for real. Most just tolerated them and wanted to win. Thibs is strict too, but I would guess that players would be more forgiving of him than Gar and Pax.

Oh I agree with you. I mentioned in my last post that Gar wasn't successful. If Riley, Thibs, Pop weren't successful, then players would want out.

[PhilLeotardo]

Yeah but their players also tend to love them. Kawhi was the first real instance of a star player clashing with Pops so much that he wanted out.

No one loved Gar, Pax or Boylen for real. Most just tolerated them and wanted to win. Thibs is strict too, but I would guess that players would be more forgiving of him than Gar and Pax.

Pretty positive he/she is just messing around with you lol

My point is that those guys had a lot of success and won titles. Players are willing to give them more power and understanding because they will win. They're the last of the old guard. All the other franchises are moving to players orgs.

We were just discussing earlier in another thread the hilarious stuff you read on this forum

Cut the insults. Keep it substantive. You’re doing this way too often. -Ashy

[rmlsr]

Has Donovan added any asst coaches yet? Or have there been any rumors who he’s gonna be hiring?

[TheFinishSniper]

Has Donovan added any asst coaches yet? Or have there been any rumors who he’s gonna be hiring?

A lot of head coaches are getting hired in this moment. So many assistant coaches around the league are getting job applications to join new staffs or stay with current teams. I wouldnt be suprised if we waited a bit for some news for hirings. I am pretty sure being on bench of 76ers or Clippers instead of Chicago (bad team) sounds better on resume for new head coaching searches. Because those guys not only are in spotlight but they likely paying good as well. Us and Indiana actually might end up with leftovers and no much of quality staff. Even Pels have to be better team on paper to join. They have at least franchise player.

[MrFortune3]

Riley and Pop, the two succesful (what Gar was missing) are very old school and very strict. Much more than most FO's in this modern time. The big difference is they have titles.

Yeah but their players also tend to love them. Kawhi was the first real instance of a star player clashing with Pops so much that he wanted out.

No one loved Gar, Pax or Boylen for real. Most just tolerated them and wanted to win. Thibs is strict too, but I would guess that players would be more forgiving of him than Gar and Pax.

Oh I agree with you. I mentioned in my last post that Gar wasn't successful. If Riley, Thibs, Pop weren't successful, then players would want out.

Everyone is hated when you lose. Most are not loved when you win.

[TheStig]

Yeah but their players also tend to love them. Kawhi was the first real instance of a star player clashing with Pops so much that he wanted out.

No one loved Gar, Pax or Boylen for real. Most just tolerated them and wanted to win. Thibs is strict too, but I would guess that players would be more forgiving of him than Gar and Pax.

Oh I agree with you. I mentioned in my last post that Gar wasn't successful. If Riley, Thibs, Pop weren't successful, then players would want out.

Everyone is hated when you lose. Most are not loved when you win.

Yes, that's the point.

[MrFortune3]

Oh I agree with you. I mentioned in my last post that Gar wasn't successful. If Riley, Thibs, Pop weren't successful, then players would want out.

Everyone is hated when you lose. Most are not loved when you win.

Yes, that's the point.

Was not agreeing with you. Even when you win, most are still hated IE Jerry Krause. People love Riley and Pop win or lose. That's an important difference.

[TheStig]

Everyone is hated when you lose. Most are not loved when you win.

Yes, that's the point.

Was not agreeing with you. Even when you win, most are still hated IE Jerry Krause. People love Riley and Pop win or lose. That's an important difference.

I don't recall people loving Riley. I know Pop really got to knowing guys well.

[PrimzyBulls81]

Wherever Pat Riley went, he was successful. He was a competitor and knew how to motivate his players. In my opinion, LeBron is too sensitive and couldn’t handle that pressure.

I think LeBron's issue has always been control since he was in Cleveland.
He had his way there but no one would join him. He went to the Heat but Riley was in full control. When he went back to Cleveland he exhausted the franchises assets to improve after they went all in and he couldn't control things. When he went to the Lakers they kissed his ass but Magic and Pelinka also convinced him to do things a little different.
He wanted to go big again and the Lakers had no problem with it since he is in that rare time of a athletes career where you cannot leave anything on the table to future seasons are the regression could come at any point.

LeBron is the biggest egotistical player in the NBA, but you have to be if you want to be great. He wanted control and only looked after himself. He’s a very intelligent person, but sometimes I question his sincerity. I feel he does a great job building his brand, but that comes with exhausting everything else around him to make himself look good. I don’t question his talent or his success, I just think he’s not the same type of quality player and person MJ was.

Nope, I disagree.. LeBron is cool dude.

[MrSparkle]

I think LeBron's issue has always been control since he was in Cleveland.
He had his way there but no one would join him. He went to the Heat but Riley was in full control. When he went back to Cleveland he exhausted the franchises assets to improve after they went all in and he couldn't control things. When he went to the Lakers they kissed his ass but Magic and Pelinka also convinced him to do things a little different.
He wanted to go big again and the Lakers had no problem with it since he is in that rare time of a athletes career where you cannot leave anything on the table to future seasons are the regression could come at any point.

LeBron is the biggest egotistical player in the NBA, but you have to be if you want to be great. He wanted control and only looked after himself. He’s a very intelligent person, but sometimes I question his sincerity. I feel he does a great job building his brand, but that comes with exhausting everything else around him to make himself look good. I don’t question his talent or his success, I just think he’s not the same type of quality player and person MJ was.

Nope, I disagree.. LeBron is cool dude.

I dislike him as the Bulls crusher, and his Super-Teams, but +1: Lebron is very cool and a positive role model. Expanded his game every year, fanatic about conditioning and injury prevention, brings the best out of scrubs and over-the-hill players, and has a very clean public record. Amazing player at 35 - that right there puts him on par with MJ in my book. Longevity is a demonstration of work ethic, conditioning and skills. Bit of luck of course with injuries, but nobody will go back and say that Rose or T-Mac took as good care of their bodies as Lebron. I don't really understand how MJ could have all-nighters, smoke and drink the day of games - fact or fiction? Of course he smoked and drank, but maybe some of those stories were stretched.

Anyway, I think MJ was schizo in a way, able to completely squash all emotions and become a ruthless assassin in-game, while entirely wearing his heart-on-a-sleeve after the clock expired. It's kind of a fascinating character study; when MJ tears up it hits so hard.

Lebron lets things get to him in-game; I don't want to speculate out-the-blue too much, but how else do you lose 2 very winnable championship series while being the best player in the world, with very above-average supporting casts (old or not)? Cause the age thing (Wade, Ray, Birdman, etc.), I don't buy - that 98 MJ run is a testament to willing a group of corpses to one more ring in a rather dominant fashion. I think mentally, Lebron thought about things (future plans, pressure, teammates) in those finals series whereas MJ just focused on finding a way to win each game.

Lastly, it's vain but I think Lebron's face is not as marketable. Jordan's smile can sell a Big Mac and Hanes underpants, whereas Lebron's kind of looks like an angry grandpa. Yet beneath MJ's smile is the assassin.

Lastly, i do prefer MJ’s game. His footwork, shot and fundamentals were so clean and perfect. Lebron is high skilled but less graceful. But in the end, I think it’s fair to say they’re probably the two “best” players ever. I think Kobe, Bird, Magic (and Wilt, Russell, Shaq, Hakeem - Bigs are kinda apples-to-oranges) comprise tier 2. Kobe couldn’t pass like Lebron, Bird couldn’t run and jump like Lebron, and Magic couldn’t shoot like Lebron (although of course each of those guys had better specialties than Lebron and MJ, but we’re talking overall).

[PhilLeotardo]

Well guys, it’s official: the only thing separating Gar Forman from Pat Riley & Gregg Popovich is wins! That’s literally it LOL!!

Oh, and everyone is flocking to Thibs, namely due to his championship rings! But also just Because wherever he goes, players flock! Thibs, Popovich, basically the same person!

[PhilLeotardo]

Everyone is hated when you lose. Most are not loved when you win.

Yes, that's the point.

Was not agreeing with you. Even when you win, most are still hated IE Jerry Krause. People love Riley and Pop win or lose. That's an important difference.

Dunno why you’re responding coherently to gibberish. Dude was clearly just having a laugh.

Im gonna head over to the Philly forum & make a thread titled “Julius Erving \=\ JJ Reddick: essentially the same player, minus a few minute differences”....think it’ll be well-received?