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Post#801 » by Wingy » Sun Nov 8, 2020 8:30 pm

Dresden wrote:If I were the major networks, I would put a totally blackout on all things Trump. No post-presidency interviews or reports, no reprinting his outrageous tweets, no stories on his businesses, just pretend like he doesn't exist. If you want to make sure he doesn't raise his ugly head again, that's the best way to do it. Relegate him to Fox News, Breitbart, and any other fringe media outlets he can find.


That’s our job.

No watching, no clicking, no viewing, no commenting.

Please join me, and spread the word to as many people as possible. DM/private message friends (eg - on social media) asking them to stop, and AVOID thread comments - to avoid activity, and algorithm bumps in popularity.

It’s up to us, not the media. As long as we bite they’ll keep shoving him in our faces.
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Post#802 » by Wingy » Sun Nov 8, 2020 8:33 pm

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Wingy wrote:Oh yes.

This.

I literally laughed so hard, for so long - it produced tears, and mild pain last night.

https://www.themarysue.com/trump-campaign-ends-with-saddest-press-conference-at-four-seasons-total-landscaping/

Then check out Twitter of course for more fun, and reactions.


Had fun in 2016 with this type of stuff with the Hilary crowd and now in 2020 with the trump. Its basically the equivalent to going on the knicks board during one of their meltdowns lol.


Except...do you think this is an Onion-style article? Cause so did I at first.

Until I started doing my own searches on the side, found it was all too real, and that’s what made it funnier and funnier.
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Post#803 » by ZOMG » Sun Nov 8, 2020 8:55 pm

Wingy wrote:
Dresden wrote:If I were the major networks, I would put a totally blackout on all things Trump. No post-presidency interviews or reports, no reprinting his outrageous tweets, no stories on his businesses, just pretend like he doesn't exist. If you want to make sure he doesn't raise his ugly head again, that's the best way to do it. Relegate him to Fox News, Breitbart, and any other fringe media outlets he can find.


That’s our job.

No watching, no clicking, no viewing, no commenting.

Please join me, and spread the word to as many people as possible. DM/private message friends (eg - on social media) asking them to stop, and AVOID thread comments - to avoid activity, and algorithm bumps in popularity.

It’s up to us, not the media. As long as we bite they’ll keep shoving him in our faces.


I know what you're saying, but it won't work. Trump is like a giant car crash. People may say they don't need him in their lives, but when they see his face on a web site with a headline implying he's said something outrageous, damn right they're clicking.
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Post#804 » by Michael Jackson » Sun Nov 8, 2020 9:25 pm

ZOMG wrote:
Wingy wrote:
Dresden wrote:If I were the major networks, I would put a totally blackout on all things Trump. No post-presidency interviews or reports, no reprinting his outrageous tweets, no stories on his businesses, just pretend like he doesn't exist. If you want to make sure he doesn't raise his ugly head again, that's the best way to do it. Relegate him to Fox News, Breitbart, and any other fringe media outlets he can find.


That’s our job.

No watching, no clicking, no viewing, no commenting.

Please join me, and spread the word to as many people as possible. DM/private message friends (eg - on social media) asking them to stop, and AVOID thread comments - to avoid activity, and algorithm bumps in popularity.

It’s up to us, not the media. As long as we bite they’ll keep shoving him in our faces.


I know what you're saying, but it won't work. Trump is like a giant car crash. People may say they don't need him in their lives, but when they see his face on a web site with a headline implying he's said something outrageous, damn right they're clicking.



The major problem is that it is the Howard Stern tactic, the ones who hate him click or watch more than the ones who like him. Kanye understood this in his career and it’s why he buddied up with Trump. It is up to us to not allow it to happen, but human nature tells us that never will. It isn’t like internet trolls are something new to us yet they still dominate the internet after 20 years of saying don’t feed the trolls. The trolls got so good they ended up getting the presidency. Trump is like a troubled child, you just have to ignore him for he only seeks attention, yet we know that is never going to happen.
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Post#805 » by Dominator83 » Sun Nov 8, 2020 10:45 pm

I'm happy that all you guys are happy! In general, I really don't care who the president is. My lifes issues, worries, troubles and joys are the same whether the president of the US is Bush (Jr or sr), Clinton, Obama, trump, Biden, etc. This election or any other will have zero impact on my personal everyday life. I think that's the case for 99% of the population. It's like when your sports team wins or loses a regular season game. I mean sure, a win puts you in a more joyful mood for the day. But it really doesn't impact your personal life one way or the other.

That being said, definitely was not a fan of Trump. He acted more like a professional wrestler with a gimmick as opposed to a professional president. I love wrestling, but I want wrestlers acting like wrestlers not politicians acting like wrestlers. I want my president (or any politician rather but president especially) to be vanilla and regular. Like Biden's speech last night is what I would expect from a leader. Professionalism.

AOC seems to be the same way as Trump imo. Not in terms of policy of course, but in terms of I feel like she's in it more for the celebrity status. People that don't care about politics, shouldn't know who the congressmen or woman in other states even are. Like does anybody who isn't a politics fanatic thst isn't in Illinois, know who people like Dick Durbin and Robin Kelly are? No. And that's how it should be.
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Post#806 » by Bullflip » Sun Nov 8, 2020 11:09 pm

If you go to the dark web, there are people talking about civil war and armed insurrection if they force Trump out. Scary stuff. Problem with the dark web is it’s hard to trace them. Hopefully, it’s all bluff
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Post#807 » by musiqsoulchild » Sun Nov 8, 2020 11:25 pm

Bullflip wrote:If you go to the dark web, there are people talking about civil war and armed insurrection if they force Trump out. Scary stuff. Problem with the dark web is it’s hard to trace them. Hopefully, it’s all bluff


Just ignore them.

If they do something stupid, they'll be caught.

If they succeed in their conspiracies, it will irrevocably change the political landscape once and for all and they will be blown to smithereens.

The last time there was a Civil war, they lost almost everything.
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Post#808 » by Michael Jackson » Sun Nov 8, 2020 11:43 pm

Dominater wrote:I'm happy that all you guys are happy! In general, I really don't care who the president is. My lifes issues, worries, troubles and joys are the same whether the president of the US is Bush (Jr or sr), Clinton, Obama, trump, Biden, etc. This election or any other will have zero impact on my personal everyday life. I think that's the case for 99% of the population. It's like when your sports team wins or loses a regular season game. I mean sure, a win puts you in a more joyful mood for the day. But it really doesn't impact your personal life one way or the other.

That being said, definitely was not a fan of Trump. He acted more like a professional wrestler with a gimmick as opposed to a professional president. I love wrestling, but I want wrestlers acting like wrestlers not politicians acting like wrestlers. I want my president (or any politician rather but president especially) to be vanilla and regular. Like Biden's speech last night is what I would expect from a leader. Professionalism.

AOC seems to be the same way as Trump imo. Not in terms of policy of course, but in terms of I feel like she's in it more for the celebrity status. People that don't care about politics, shouldn't know who the congressmen or woman in other states even are. Like does anybody who isn't a politics fanatic thst isn't in Illinois, know who people like Dick Durbin and Robin Kelly are? No. And that's how it should be.



You state a lot of truth there. Politics and who is in office has very little effect on us the little people day to day, I guarantee that Biden is more interested in what Mitch McConnell thinks than any thought I have in my head good or bad. They really are a different class of people and they try hard to sell us that they care about us, which in a broad sweeping way they may, a little but but ultimately they are concerned with what their contemporaries think and feel. It’s not anything new, goes back to the beginning of man.
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Post#809 » by Michael Jackson » Sun Nov 8, 2020 11:44 pm

musiqsoulchild wrote:
Bullflip wrote:If you go to the dark web, there are people talking about civil war and armed insurrection if they force Trump out. Scary stuff. Problem with the dark web is it’s hard to trace them. Hopefully, it’s all bluff


Just ignore them.

If they do something stupid, they'll be caught.

If they succeed in their conspiracies, it will irrevocably change the political landscape once and for all and they will be blown to smithereens.

The last time there was a Civil war, they lost almost everything.



They can be traced, not directly but if there is any movement large enough to be an actual threat the government knows about it. If that wasn’t the case we would have terrorist attacks left and right.
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Post#810 » by otwok » Mon Nov 9, 2020 12:20 am

Bullflip wrote:If you go to the dark web, there are people talking about civil war and armed insurrection if they force Trump out. Scary stuff. Problem with the dark web is it’s hard to trace them. Hopefully, it’s all bluff
How do you get to the dark web

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Post#811 » by dougthonus » Mon Nov 9, 2020 12:24 am

Bullflip wrote:If you go to the dark web, there are people talking about civil war and armed insurrection if they force Trump out. Scary stuff. Problem with the dark web is it’s hard to trace them. Hopefully, it’s all bluff


I wouldn't be surprised if there are some domestic terrorist acts from groups like this due to the election. Particularly since Trump isn't trying to downplay any of what's going on or calm anyone and instead is going the other way. I don't think there will be enough organization to pull off something really big, but I could definitely see people doing something stupid.
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Post#812 » by TheStig » Mon Nov 9, 2020 12:48 am

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MrFortune3 wrote:
It won't matter, if the country moves on and does well. He'll never sniff the nomination.

It's amazing you can say these things with certainty. He won 2 nominations. He's not the kind of guy who's going to fade into the sunset. After ingratiation day, it won't be the last you hear from him.


He won 2 nominations for the GOP. He just threw several loyal GOP Governors and senators under the bus and claimed the results in their state were fraudulent. To the point that they came out and criticized him publicly. Which outside of 2-3, has never really happened during his Presidency.

I don't care how big of a cult you have, I don't care how popular your are, I don't care how many nominations you have won.
When you mess with the power players and make them revolt, the rest won't matter.

More to the point, You had 74+ million Americans say hell no to a 2nd term, that number will only grow in 2024 if he runs.

He's thrown everyone under the bus the whole time. You should see what he said about Ted Cruz and his wife. Ted Cruz still kisses his ass.
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Post#813 » by TheStig » Mon Nov 9, 2020 12:50 am

PlayerUp wrote:
dougthonus wrote:
TheStig wrote:Yeah, they're buying all the corporate debt and mortgages. They got trillions to do so from the cares act.

But mainstreet and wall street are very disconnected. Tons of layoffs and hiring freezes.

Agreed, the rich got richer during the pandemic and the poor got poorer.


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This is why the rich and corporations would support Trump if he ran again. Less taxes, bailouts and less regulations.
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Post#814 » by TheStig » Mon Nov 9, 2020 12:53 am

dougthonus wrote:
TheStig wrote:
dougthonus wrote:
Who knows where things will be in 2024, you never know. The stock market is up 7% this year, people talk about economic recovery, but the stock market is actually up more this year than a "typical" year.

Yeah, they're buying all the corporate debt and mortgages. They got trillions to do so from the cares act.

But mainstreet and wall street are very disconnected. Tons of layoffs and hiring freezes.

Agreed, the rich got richer during the pandemic and the poor got poorer.

To be fair, that's American capitalism.
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Post#815 » by TheStig » Mon Nov 9, 2020 12:55 am

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Wingy wrote:
TheStig wrote:It's also worth noting we are speaking about ancient history here. In the last 24 years, all incumbents outside of Trump have won reelection. So this is not like something unknown. Biden himself has run for president 3 times. The first two times he didn't even get a delegate. Now he's president.


Feel like Ice Man nails it. Trump is an identity.

History means nothing. Not sure on TheStig’s sentiment above (hard to tell which side of the point that your point compliments), but I feel like I’m hearing pollsters when I see MF3’s post.

No matter how ridiculous it is...the cult base sees him as them. It’s like they see the Dems running against themselves, and orangey is their champion.

Unless he’s in jail, or in debilitatingly bad health, he’ll be the R nominee in 2024. Running on a “they stole the election from you” fervor.


I highly doubt it. He'll be 78 years old, and I would be surprised if he doesn't have some major health issues between now and then, given his lifestyle and diet. Not to mention that people will have moved on from him by then.

His Dr and the Navy Dr has told us that he's the healthiest ever.
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Post#816 » by Dresden » Mon Nov 9, 2020 12:58 am

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Dominater wrote:I'm happy that all you guys are happy! In general, I really don't care who the president is. My lifes issues, worries, troubles and joys are the same whether the president of the US is Bush (Jr or sr), Clinton, Obama, trump, Biden, etc. This election or any other will have zero impact on my personal everyday life. I think that's the case for 99% of the population. It's like when your sports team wins or loses a regular season game. I mean sure, a win puts you in a more joyful mood for the day. But it really doesn't impact your personal life one way or the other.

That being said, definitely was not a fan of Trump. He acted more like a professional wrestler with a gimmick as opposed to a professional president. I love wrestling, but I want wrestlers acting like wrestlers not politicians acting like wrestlers. I want my president (or any politician rather but president especially) to be vanilla and regular. Like Biden's speech last night is what I would expect from a leader. Professionalism.

AOC seems to be the same way as Trump imo. Not in terms of policy of course, but in terms of I feel like she's in it more for the celebrity status. People that don't care about politics, shouldn't know who the congressmen or woman in other states even are. Like does anybody who isn't a politics fanatic thst isn't in Illinois, know who people like Dick Durbin and Robin Kelly are? No. And that's how it should be.



You state a lot of truth there. Politics and who is in office has very little effect on us the little people day to day, I guarantee that Biden is more interested in what Mitch McConnell thinks than any thought I have in my head good or bad. They really are a different class of people and they try hard to sell us that they care about us, which in a broad sweeping way they may, a little but but ultimately they are concerned with what their contemporaries think and feel. It’s not anything new, goes back to the beginning of man.


I strongly disagree. 10 million Americans now have had Covid. So it has affected most people either personally, or through someone they're close to. If Clinton had been president instead of Trump, we can only speculate, but I feel strongly that that number might have been half of what it is, or even less.

Many things the president does don't have an immediate impact, unless they start a war or something like that. But their policies do have a big effect on our lives, whether we know it or not. Just one example- Obamacare has allowed more than 20 million Americans to obtain health insurance that wouldn't otherwise have it. Had Trump been re-elected, the odds are he would have found a way to overturn it. If you are one of those 20 million, your life could change quite a bit.

One other example- Trump has done nothing to stop climate change, in fact he's made it worse. Another 4 years of Trump would mean another 4 years of inaction by the US. Ok, that might not affect you today or tomorrow, but it could have an tremendous impact on life in the US 40 years from now. Every year we put off doing something about it, it becomes that much harder to mitigate what is going to happen.

One last example- it's quite possible access to safe abortions would be eliminated in many areas of the country- mostly poor, rural areas- if Trump is re-elected and continues appointing conservative judges throughout the federal judiciary. It's already happening, but my point is, the fact that it's becoming harder and harder for women to get good reproductive care is due primarily to conservatives being elected at all levels of government. So to many women, esp. if you're poor or a person of color, that can have a sizable impact on your life.
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Post#817 » by Dominator83 » Mon Nov 9, 2020 1:48 am

Dresden wrote:
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Dominater wrote:I'm happy that all you guys are happy! In general, I really don't care who the president is. My lifes issues, worries, troubles and joys are the same whether the president of the US is Bush (Jr or sr), Clinton, Obama, trump, Biden, etc. This election or any other will have zero impact on my personal everyday life. I think that's the case for 99% of the population. It's like when your sports team wins or loses a regular season game. I mean sure, a win puts you in a more joyful mood for the day. But it really doesn't impact your personal life one way or the other.

That being said, definitely was not a fan of Trump. He acted more like a professional wrestler with a gimmick as opposed to a professional president. I love wrestling, but I want wrestlers acting like wrestlers not politicians acting like wrestlers. I want my president (or any politician rather but president especially) to be vanilla and regular. Like Biden's speech last night is what I would expect from a leader. Professionalism.

AOC seems to be the same way as Trump imo. Not in terms of policy of course, but in terms of I feel like she's in it more for the celebrity status. People that don't care about politics, shouldn't know who the congressmen or woman in other states even are. Like does anybody who isn't a politics fanatic thst isn't in Illinois, know who people like Dick Durbin and Robin Kelly are? No. And that's how it should be.



You state a lot of truth there. Politics and who is in office has very little effect on us the little people day to day, I guarantee that Biden is more interested in what Mitch McConnell thinks than any thought I have in my head good or bad. They really are a different class of people and they try hard to sell us that they care about us, which in a broad sweeping way they may, a little but but ultimately they are concerned with what their contemporaries think and feel. It’s not anything new, goes back to the beginning of man.


I strongly disagree. 10 million Americans now have had Covid. So it has affected most people either personally, or through someone they're close to. If Clinton had been president instead of Trump, we can only speculate, but I feel strongly that that number might have been half of what it is, or even less.

Many things the president does don't have an immediate impact, unless they start a war or something like that. But their policies do have a big effect on our lives, whether we know it or not. Just one example- Obamacare has allowed more than 20 million Americans to obtain health insurance that wouldn't otherwise have it. Had Trump been re-elected, the odds are he would have found a way to overturn it. If you are one of those 20 million, your life could change quite a bit.

One other example- Trump has done nothing to stop climate change, in fact he's made it worse. Another 4 years of Trump would mean another 4 years of inaction by the US. Ok, that might not affect you today or tomorrow, but it could have an tremendous impact on life in the US 40 years from now. Every year we put off doing something about it, it becomes that much harder to mitigate what is going to happen.

One last example- it's quite possible access to safe abortions would be eliminated in many areas of the country- mostly poor, rural areas- if Trump is re-elected and continues appointing conservative judges throughout the federal judiciary. It's already happening, but my point is, the fact that it's becoming harder and harder for women to get good reproductive care is due primarily to conservatives being elected at all levels of government. So to many women, esp. if you're poor or a person of color, that can have a sizable impact on your life.

Well in terms of health care, if you work for a living full time, chances are you can get medical insurance thru your employer. I do that, and have no matter who the president was. In fact, the cost of employer paid health insurance skyrocketed under Obama. It also even further encouraged crooked companies like Wal-Mart to say "we don't need to provide our employees medical, let the taxpayers pick up the tab" .

Trump was no doubt an idiot when talking about Covid. But there is no right answer to Covid. Is Pritzker right with his method of putting Illinois out of work and out of business a good solution ? I don't think so. Has it even helped ? The only solution is a vaccine. Destroying people's lives and businesses only hurts more than helps.

I would agree more that local politics makes an impact on quality of our lives. But atleast in my case nothing has changed much regarding who the POTUS is.
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Post#818 » by Dresden » Mon Nov 9, 2020 2:28 am

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Trump was no doubt an idiot when talking about Covid. But there is no right answer to Covid. Is Pritzker right with his method of putting Illinois out of work and out of business a good solution ? I don't think so. Has it even helped ? The only solution is a vaccine. Destroying people's lives and businesses only hurts more than helps.

I would agree more that local politics makes an impact on quality of our lives. But atleast in my case nothing has changed much regarding who the POTUS is.


There are much better answers than what Trump has come up with. Start by taking it seriously, instead of telling people it will go away on it's own. China and other Asian countries have had remarkably little Covid damage, and they did it through a massive testing/tracing program, along with a strict shutdown. Now, China has almost eliminated Covid, and their economy is doing very well- better than ours is.

A nationwide mask mandate would have helped, as would acting much much sooner to mass produce masks and other PPE equipment so our hospital workers didn't have to wear garbage bags to work. That's just embarrassing. And it's all because Trump just sat on his hands and said it was up to the states to take care of it. What an inhumane way to behave as president.

A recent research study found that if the whole nation had just taken the steps San Francisco did at the start of the pandemic- an early shutdown, heavy mask compliance, strong emphasis on public education, US deaths could be 50K, instead of 230K. So it's complete nonsense to say there was nothing Trump could have done differently.
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Post#819 » by PlayerUp » Mon Nov 9, 2020 2:30 am

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dougthonus wrote:Agreed, the rich got richer during the pandemic and the poor got poorer.


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This is why the rich and corporations would support Trump if he ran again. Less taxes, bailouts and less regulations.


The guys above all hate Trump except Larry. Why? Because they realize under a democratic candidate like Biden, there taxes won't go that much up either.
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Post#820 » by Dominator83 » Mon Nov 9, 2020 2:37 am

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Trump was no doubt an idiot when talking about Covid. But there is no right answer to Covid. Is Pritzker right with his method of putting Illinois out of work and out of business a good solution ? I don't think so. Has it even helped ? The only solution is a vaccine. Destroying people's lives and businesses only hurts more than helps.

I would agree more that local politics makes an impact on quality of our lives. But atleast in my case nothing has changed much regarding who the POTUS is.


There are much better answers than what Trump has come up with. Start by taking it seriously, instead of telling people it will go away on it's own. China and other Asian countries have had remarkably little Covid damage, and they did it through a massive testing/tracing program, along with a strict shutdown. Now, China has almost eliminated Covid, and their economy is doing very well- better than ours is.

A nationwide mask mandate would have helped, as would acting much much sooner to mass produce masks and other PPE equipment so our hospital workers didn't have to wear garbage bags to work. That's just embarrassing. And it's all because Trump just sat on his hands and said it was up to the states to take care of it. What an inhumane way to behave as president.

A recent research study found that if the whole nation had just taken the steps San Francisco did at the start of the pandemic- an early shutdown, heavy mask compliance, strong emphasis on public education, US deaths could be 50K, instead of 230K. So it's complete nonsense to say there was nothing Trump could have done differently.

I agree Trump was a complete idiot. But putting people out of work isn't a solution either. Atleast not for months on end. It would be one thing if it was a 2-3 week complete shutdown and that's it. But the only way that's even effective is if it's a 100% everything shut down. Everybody stays home no exceptions. Even doctors. Which means no hospital service and no emergency service. Then you would just have a giant purge on our hands. That's the only way a lockdown works. Either 100% or zero % . if it's not gonna be 100%, then shutting down select businesses does nothing except destroy lives. Pritzker has caused more damage to Illinois than the actual virus itself
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