Official: DeRozan! Player of the Week p69

[bearadonisdna]

Just watched a video by Mike Korzemba and he mentioned that Demar played like 69% of his minutes for the spurs last season at PF...so maybe Paw stays at the 3 and Demar starts at the 4 for us?

I just watched that too. A PF that only average 4 rebounds is pretty bad though. And he obviously cannot guard a real PF inside either.

right, but its good news to me that he can play sf adequately and not just a shooting guards playing at the 3.

[SfBull]

Well I always complained the Bulls never made big moves and never went all in. Can't really say that anymore. Don't know how I feel about giving up a first for Derozan. I don't know how DeRozan does as the third option and that's a lot of money. We also have no bigs outside of Vuc.

I believe that preserving the MLE AK is not done yet.

[WindyCityBorn]

If you can name some better potential fits that we could have acquired for similar assets I feel free to inform me. Stand pat with what had is not a viable alternative to me either.

The AAV for Devonte Graham and Richaun Holmes combined costs less than Derozan and barely more than Lonzo.

Graham isn’t good and Houston wasn’t interested in trading Holmes.

[BigUps]

This is a town that loves team defense. We have a team of awful defenders. Caruso and Williams can defend, the rest is incredibly questionable.

That’s my only complaint with the Derozen signing. His defense is really poor. The guy can score, but he can also give up a ton of points.

Ball isn’t really questionable.

I forgot him. Yes, he can defend too.

[WindyCityBorn]

Just watched a video by Mike Korzemba and he mentioned that Demar played like 69% of his minutes for the spurs last season at PF...so maybe Paw stays at the 3 and Demar starts at the 4 for us?

I just watched that too. A PF that only average 4 rebounds is pretty bad though. And he obviously cannot guard a real PF inside either.

right, but its good news to me that he can play sf adequately and not just a shooting guards playing at the 3.

True.

[CobyWhite0]

7 asts and 7 ftas. One of most efficiency slashers in the league. I would say all of that helps our offense. We have plenty of guys that can shoot 3s.

Again, his work will be in the same area where Vuc will want to operate and you are paying him to score. He is the quintessential, “needs the ball to score effectively”. Let’s not get into his lack of defensive, well anything.

Vuc can score from anywhere. He will still get his post opportunities.

As a Bull, 1/3 of Vuc's shots were 3's.

He also was involved in more P&R plays than anyone in the league IIRC - and he's quite good at it. A DDR - Vuc pick and roll surrounded by a bunch of 40% 3pt shooters should be very dangerous on offense.

And it's not like DDR and Vuc are each going to play 48 minutes together every game, there will be at least 1/2 the game (probably more) where they aren't even on the floor together. And it's not like Vuc can't spot up behind the arc to give DDR room to operate.

[WindyCityBorn]

Again, his work will be in the same area where Vuc will want to operate and you are paying him to score. He is the quintessential, “needs the ball to score effectively”. Let’s not get into his lack of defensive, well anything.

Vuc can score from anywhere. He will still get his post opportunities.

As a Bull, 1/3 of Vuc's shots were 3's.

He also was involved in more P&R plays than anyone in the league IIRC - and he's quite good at it. A DDR - Vuc pick and roll surrounded by a bunch of 40% 3pt shooters should be very dangerous on offense.

And it's not like DDR and Vuc are each going to play 48 minutes together every game, there will be at least 1/2 the game (probably more) where they aren't even on the floor together. And it's not like Vuc can't spot up behind the arc to give DDR room to operate.

Where do you think this leaves White and Markkanen? We have a crowded backcourt and an empty frontcourt.

[TheStig]

Well I always complained the Bulls never made big moves and never went all in. Can't really say that anymore. Don't know how I feel about giving up a first for Derozan. I don't know how DeRozan does as the third option and that's a lot of money. We also have no bigs outside of Vuc.

Bulls gave up the #20+ pick in the 2025 nba draft for a guy who was 11th in the league in assists, and top 30 in scoring last year.

That pick isn't even worth a 3 month rental of a player of Demar's caliber.

All of us were saying that the pick we gave up in the Vuc trade wouldn't be much and it turned out to be the #8.

I also don't see Derozan playing with the ball in his hands like he did in Tor and SA. Lavine, Vuc and Ball are all gonna need the ball too.

[AKfanatic]

Well I always complained the Bulls never made big moves and never went all in. Can't really say that anymore. Don't know how I feel about giving up a first for Derozan. I don't know how DeRozan does as the third option and that's a lot of money. We also have no bigs outside of Vuc.

Bulls gave up the #20+ pick in the 2025 nba draft for a guy who was 11th in the league in assists, and top 30 in scoring last year.

That pick isn't even worth a 3 month rental of a player of Demar's caliber.

All of us were saying that the pick we gave up in the Vuc trade wouldn't be much and it turned out to be the #8.

I also don't see Derozan playing with the ball in his hands like he did in Tor and SA. Lavine, Vuc and Ball are all gonna need the ball too.

The problem of “players needing the ball” is so much nicer to potentially have than the past Bulls teams of “we need someone else that can create with the ball”.

[Rowland Garrett]

Have we heard anything about 2025 pick protections?

Sounds like the first round pick is high-lottery protected:

Read on Twitter

I was hoping for top 14 protection, but expected top 4 protection, so I'm fine with that if it's true.

Top 14, Top 4, same thing really.

[Leslie Forman]

If you can name some better potential fits that we could have acquired for similar assets I feel free to inform me. Stand pat with what had is not a viable alternative to me either.

The AAV for Devonte Graham and Richaun Holmes combined costs less than Derozan and barely more than Lonzo.

Graham isn’t good and Houston wasn’t interested in trading Holmes.

Lonzo isn't good, and you don't even know which team Holmes is actually on.

[WindyCityBorn]

The AAV for Devonte Graham and Richaun Holmes combined costs less than Derozan and barely more than Lonzo.

Graham isn’t good and Houston wasn’t interested in trading Holmes.

Lonzo isn't good, and you don't even know which team Holmes is actually on.

Better than Graham and way more potential. 5’10” poor shooting defensive liability who regressed last season. Not even close.

[Leslie Forman]

Graham isn’t good and Houston wasn’t interested in trading Holmes.

Lonzo isn't good, and you don't even know which team Holmes is actually on.

Better than Graham and way more potential. 5’10” poor shooting defensive liability who regressed last season. Not even close.

So the .552TS% guy apparently sucks at shooting, but the .551TS% guy doesn't.

Ok.

[d boy gentleman]

Six months ago, I didn't want Nikola Vucevic. Six months ago, I didn't want Lonzo Ball. Six months ago, I didn't want Demar Derozan.

Now they're all here on big contracts and three first rounders gone. Well…at least I can't say Karnisovas isn't trying stuff, unlike last summer.

Can you also not want Zion or Ja ?

[CobyWhite0]

Vuc can score from anywhere. He will still get his post opportunities.

As a Bull, 1/3 of Vuc's shots were 3's.

He also was involved in more P&R plays than anyone in the league IIRC - and he's quite good at it. A DDR - Vuc pick and roll surrounded by a bunch of 40% 3pt shooters should be very dangerous on offense.

And it's not like DDR and Vuc are each going to play 48 minutes together every game, there will be at least 1/2 the game (probably more) where they aren't even on the floor together. And it's not like Vuc can't spot up behind the arc to give DDR room to operate.

Where do you think this leaves White and Markkanen? We have a crowded backcourt and an empty frontcourt.

BD loved his 3 PG lineup (CP3, SGA and Schroder) in OKC, and said he would have played them together more except for the fact that he then had to play with only one of them on the floor at times.

I'm sure there will be plenty of minutes for Coby, Zach, Lonzo, Caruso and DeRozan at PG/SG/SF. And I expect DDR could also play some PF in small-ball lineups.

I'm not worried about Lauri, whatever happens with him happens. I'd love to S&T him for a defensive big man or two, but we can' probably get those with the MLE and/or BAE. I wish he had more trade value, but it's apparent he doesn't - so if we have to let him walk, let him.

[Leslie Forman]

Six months ago, I didn't want Nikola Vucevic. Six months ago, I didn't want Lonzo Ball. Six months ago, I didn't want Demar Derozan.

Now they're all here on big contracts and three first rounders gone. Well…at least I can't say Karnisovas isn't trying stuff, unlike last summer.

Can you also not want Zion or Ja ? :eyebrow: :eyebrow: :eyebrow:

I absolutely DO NOT WANT Luka Doncic here. Or Trae Young. Or Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. Or Bam Adebayo. What a bunch of losers.

[d boy gentleman]

Nick Friedell being Nick Friedell says he doesn't like then move and that the Bulls aren't a top 4 team with the roster. He says that they aren't better than the Knicks or Hawks

They haven't proven sht at this point, as of now the Bulls are still a squad that couldn't crack the play in. It's up to them to go out there and prove otherwise.

I agree that they haven't proven anything as of this moment, however these moves at least puts them in the top 5 or 6.

I'm not saying that this squad wins it all, but this squad is better than it was when the season ended...

[Jcool0]

Six months ago, I didn't want Nikola Vucevic. Six months ago, I didn't want Lonzo Ball. Six months ago, I didn't want Demar Derozan.

Now they're all here on big contracts and three first rounders gone. Well…at least I can't say Karnisovas isn't trying stuff, unlike last summer.

Can you also not want Zion or Ja ? :eyebrow: :eyebrow: :eyebrow:

I absolutely DO NOT WANT Luka Doncic here. Or Trae Young. Or Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. Or Bam Adebayo. What a bunch of losers.

I have no doubt if any of those guys became a Bull you would find fault with it.

[WindyCityBorn]

Lonzo isn't good, and you don't even know which team Holmes is actually on.

Better than Graham and way more potential. 5’10” poor shooting defensive liability who regressed last season. Not even close.

So the .552TS% guy apparently sucks at shooting, but the .551TS% guy doesn't.

Ok.

Considering shooting is all he is good for yes.

[mtron32]

Nick Friedell being Nick Friedell says he doesn't like then move and that the Bulls aren't a top 4 team with the roster. He says that they aren't better than the Knicks or Hawks

They haven't proven sht at this point, as of now the Bulls are still a squad that couldn't crack the play in. It's up to them to go out there and prove otherwise.

I agree that they haven't proven anything as of this moment, however these moves at least puts them in the top 5 or 6.

I'm not saying that this squad wins it all, but this squad is better than it was when the season ended...

I'm hesitant to even say that no matter how positive I am about these moves, the team still has play, Billy needs to put in work. The Bulls hurt me too much, I'm closing up the heart until I see it, but I'm cautiously optimistic about it so far.