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Post#802 » by Jcool0 » Sun May 26, 2024 1:36 pm

Almost Retired wrote:If Knecht is gone I go back to Filipowski. He's not going to be a star but maybe he could be a Mortiz Wagner level of contributor. Wagner is stronger but Filipowski will fill out a bit more and add strength. He can shoot well enough and his passing game is above average.


Filipowski seems like Lauri Markkanen with less athleticism and smaller (has a negative wingspan). Not sure what that gets you in the NBA.
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Thoughts on Kyshawn George? Seen a few mocks with him jumping to our range.
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Post#804 » by Rose2Boozer » Sun May 26, 2024 1:51 pm

Jvaughn wrote:Thoughts on Kyshawn George? Seen a few mocks with him jumping to our range.


When I watched him, I came away about as underwhelmed as when I watched Cody Williams. George is a good ball handler, but his inability to blow by guys was alarming. That being said, if Williams is considered a lottery lock, I don't think George should be mocked 10-20 slots behind Williams. I see this type of example throughout this draft class. I don't think Sarr is 10-20 draft slots better than Ware. I don't think Knecht is 10-15 draft slots better than Tyson. I don't think Ja'Kobe Walter is 10-20 draft slots better than Hunter Sallis. This is a pretty strange draft season.
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Jvaughn wrote:Thoughts on Kyshawn George? Seen a few mocks with him jumping to our range.


Pure upside guy who you hope could be Cam Johnson... Maybe Klay Thompson. Might be a tad high at 11 for a guy that you wont learn much from the film and just have to hope the traits pan out. Knowing the Bulls they would just throw him in the G League.
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Jvaughn wrote:Thoughts on Kyshawn George? Seen a few mocks with him jumping to our range.


When I watched him, I came away about as underwhelmed as when I watched Cody Williams. George is a good ball handler, but his inability to blow by guys was alarming. That being said, if Williams is considered a lottery lock, I don't think George should be mocked 10-20 slots behind Williams. I see this type of example throughout this draft class. I don't think Sarr is 10-20 draft slots better than Ware. I don't think Knecht is 10-15 draft slots better than Tyson. I don't think Ja'Kobe Walter is 10-20 draft slots better than Hunter Sallis. This is a pretty strange draft season.


This reminds me so much of that 2013 draft where there really was no consensus pick, but most expected Nerlens to go #1. Then Cleveland went and messed everything up by picking Bennett. Then the rest of the draft went wonky.

But just like that draft, you can still find tons of talent who can contribute long-term if you're looking for the right things.
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Post#807 » by Rose2Boozer » Sun May 26, 2024 3:05 pm

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Jvaughn wrote:Thoughts on Kyshawn George? Seen a few mocks with him jumping to our range.


When I watched him, I came away about as underwhelmed as when I watched Cody Williams. George is a good ball handler, but his inability to blow by guys was alarming. That being said, if Williams is considered a lottery lock, I don't think George should be mocked 10-20 slots behind Williams. I see this type of example throughout this draft class. I don't think Sarr is 10-20 draft slots better than Ware. I don't think Knecht is 10-15 draft slots better than Tyson. I don't think Ja'Kobe Walter is 10-20 draft slots better than Hunter Sallis. This is a pretty strange draft season.


This reminds me so much of that 2013 draft where there really was no consensus pick, but most expected Nerlens to go #1. Then Cleveland went and messed everything up by picking Bennett. Then the rest of the draft went wonky.

But just like that draft, you can still find tons of talent who can contribute long-term if you're looking for the right things.


Absolutely, I think you could easily group the top 20 prospects into the 3rd Tier. The idea of Sarr being the only 1st Tier prospect is hilarious.
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Jvaughn wrote:Thoughts on Kyshawn George? Seen a few mocks with him jumping to our range.


When I watched him, I came away about as underwhelmed as when I watched Cody Williams. George is a good ball handler, but his inability to blow by guys was alarming. That being said, if Williams is considered a lottery lock, I don't think George should be mocked 10-20 slots behind Williams. I see this type of example throughout this draft class. I don't think Sarr is 10-20 draft slots better than Ware. I don't think Knecht is 10-15 draft slots better than Tyson. I don't think Ja'Kobe Walter is 10-20 draft slots better than Hunter Sallis. This is a pretty strange draft season.


This reminds me so much of that 2013 draft where there really was no consensus pick, but most expected Nerlens to go #1. Then Cleveland went and messed everything up by picking Bennett. Then the rest of the draft went wonky.

But just like that draft, you can still find tons of talent who can contribute long-term if you're looking for the right things.


Are the Bulls going to pass on Rudy Gobert for Tony Snell?
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Post#809 » by Jvaughn » Sun May 26, 2024 4:25 pm

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When I watched him, I came away about as underwhelmed as when I watched Cody Williams. George is a good ball handler, but his inability to blow by guys was alarming. That being said, if Williams is considered a lottery lock, I don't think George should be mocked 10-20 slots behind Williams. I see this type of example throughout this draft class. I don't think Sarr is 10-20 draft slots better than Ware. I don't think Knecht is 10-15 draft slots better than Tyson. I don't think Ja'Kobe Walter is 10-20 draft slots better than Hunter Sallis. This is a pretty strange draft season.


This reminds me so much of that 2013 draft where there really was no consensus pick, but most expected Nerlens to go #1. Then Cleveland went and messed everything up by picking Bennett. Then the rest of the draft went wonky.

But just like that draft, you can still find tons of talent who can contribute long-term if you're looking for the right things.


Are the Bulls going to pass on Rudy Gobert for Tony Snell?


Wouldn't be the Bulls if we didn't.
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Post#810 » by PistolP » Sun May 26, 2024 5:14 pm

I’m all aboard the Knecht train if he’s there at 11

Cody Williams seems like the prototypical player AK salivates over. Could be a decent 3&D player one day, though his tape seems less impressive than his brother coming out of college.

Missi is the type of player this roster severely lacks. But he’s basically the opposite of Vuc in all aspects of the game so AK probably passes.

Holland intrigues me. A high usage, low efficiency player is obviously not what we need, but he just strikes me as the type of player that could actually be a star in 3-4 years in the 25% chance he puts it all together.
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Post#813 » by Almost Retired » Sun May 26, 2024 6:30 pm

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Almost Retired wrote:If Knecht is gone I go back to Filipowski. He's not going to be a star but maybe he could be a Mortiz Wagner level of contributor. Wagner is stronger but Filipowski will fill out a bit more and add strength. He can shoot well enough and his passing game is above average.


Filipowski seems like Lauri Markkanen with less athleticism and smaller (has a negative wingspan). Not sure what that gets you in the NBA.


I don't see him as a "5". Strictly a PF. A guy who can score some. He could make himself deadly from the Corner 3. Facilitate with his above average passing. He's not going to be an overwhelming defensive presence. But I think he can be a solid rotation player to take up minutes at PF. We lack height. We have too many guards. Most of the draft are players 6' 6" and shorter, many of whom are going to need 2 or 3 years in the league to adapt and grow their game. Patrick doesn't want to play PF, and I don't want to keep him anyway at the price it would probably take to do so.
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Post#814 » by Rose2Boozer » Sun May 26, 2024 6:34 pm

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Ball doesn't seem to spin much coming off his fingertips.
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Post#815 » by Almost Retired » Sun May 26, 2024 6:39 pm

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Almost Retired wrote:If Knecht is gone I go back to Filipowski. He's not going to be a star but maybe he could be a Mortiz Wagner level of contributor. Wagner is stronger but Filipowski will fill out a bit more and add strength. He can shoot well enough and his passing game is above average.


Filipowski seems like Lauri Markkanen with less athleticism and smaller (has a negative wingspan). Not sure what that gets you in the NBA.




"Versatile big with a guard’s finesse, playmaking vision, and perimeter shot."


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Healthy Zach Collins

PLUSES
Fluid ball handler capable of running actions like a guard or a wing, whether it’s pick-and-rolls or handoffs as the receiving player. He can attack out of actions in a straight line or fluidly use crossovers and spin moves.

He has glue-guy skills on offense, often keeping the ball moving, relocating, screening, and cutting.

NBA coaches will love to use him in different actions because of his playmaking ability crossed with his quick decision-making. He can run the pick-and-roll or set hard screens then pop or roll. He is also already adept at running handoffs, so he could really thrive if surrounded by shooters. And as a hard-nosed defensive rebounder, he can start offensive possessions by bringing the ball up on his own.

Reliable post threat. He won’t get fed the ball in the NBA, but he can seal off a defender inside and score using drop steps and hook shots. Against switching defenses, his handle allows him to dribble from the perimeter into the post.

Projects as a reliable 3-point shooter because of his soft touch. The better his shot is, the more it’ll unlock his playmaking.

Plays hard on defense. He’ll take a charge, box out, and put his body on the line.

Coordinated defender who uses his hands to poke at the ball or disrupt actions on the perimeter. As a sophomore, he has more than doubled his blocks per game compared to his freshman year. Duke uses him in different pick-and-roll coverages, serving as the team’s defensive anchor.

MINUSES
Subpar scorer at the rim when faced with contact or length, largely due to his lack of strength. But he has the frame to handle much more muscle, so this skill should develop in time.

He needs to cut down on careless turnovers. Sometimes he gets too loose with his handle in the open floor, or he’ll force passes through windows that are shut.
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Ball doesn't seem to spin much coming off his fingertips.


Look at his off hand. It's moving too much with the ball on release. He's restricting most of the rotation by doing so. I also don't like how it's leaving the right hand. He's definitely gonna need to spend a lot of time with our shooting coach.

I will say that workout was very underwhelming. Not sure why it looked like he was going 15%. Assuming he was tired from previous drill. If my other targets are gone (Holland, Knecht, Topic, Buzelis) I'd still nab him. We need some length at the forward position.
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Post#817 » by Rose2Boozer » Sun May 26, 2024 8:42 pm

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Ball doesn't seem to spin much coming off his fingertips.


Look at his off hand. It's moving too much with the ball on release. He's restricting most of the rotation by doing so. I also don't like how it's leaving the right hand. He's definitely gonna need to spend a lot of time with our shooting coach.

I will say that workout was very underwhelming. Not sure why it looked like he was going 15%. Assuming he was tired from previous drill. If my other targets are gone (Holland, Knecht, Topic, Buzelis) I'd still nab him. We need some length at the forward position.


I'm cool on dude. There's no reason to have Cody Williams and Dalen Terry on the same roster. At least Terry didn't have the audacity to weigh 178lbs at the combine. Jalen Williams needs to come get his brother. Trash.
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I think Holland can defend 4s because he’s so intense and physical.

Him and Knecht are my guys at 11.

I think Holland could be the next player from this draft. I’ll be shocked if he lasts till 11.
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Post#820 » by Chi town » Sun May 26, 2024 8:54 pm

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Ball doesn't seem to spin much coming off his fingertips.


Look at his off hand. It's moving too much with the ball on release. He's restricting most of the rotation by doing so. I also don't like how it's leaving the right hand. He's definitely gonna need to spend a lot of time with our shooting coach.

I will say that workout was very underwhelming. Not sure why it looked like he was going 15%. Assuming he was tired from previous drill. If my other targets are gone (Holland, Knecht, Topic, Buzelis) I'd still nab him. We need some length at the forward position.


I'm cool on dude. There's no reason to have Cody Williams and Dalen Terry on the same roster. At least Terry didn't have the audacity to weigh 178lbs at the combine. Jalen Williams needs to come get his brother. Trash.


Exactly. No nearly enough shooting or game.

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