Love #5: P. 88, Bulls 'moving on' from Love

[johnnyvann840]

That team can suffocate you and run your ass out of the gym. And Dougie can spread the floor out to 27 ft, from all over, for Derrick.. I'm drooling.

[Polynice4Pippen]

No we have not... never. That has never had a chance to even play together.

2011 was a better version of that. 2011 Derrick>>>2014 Derrick. Deng>>Butler. Korver>rookie McDermott. 2014 Noah>2011 Noah. 2014 Taj>2011 Taj. And we lost to the first championship caliber team we faced in 5 games and couldn't generate any offense in the 4th quarters or stop Miami's big guns.

That is not how you look at it though.. Look at the team as a whole. Including Gasol, and Mirotic, and MDJ, and Snell. Who, I also have much more faith in now for some reason. Not just summer league. I'm assuming Rose is great.. becasue if we don't none of it matter anyway. The experience of Taj and Jo and Jimmy now.. I like the make up . I like the motors on these guys and I'm betting big that McD is the real deal. He's much more than Korver.

The depth is great. But if you're talking the lineup you mentioned to close out playoff games against elite teams, I still don't think Rose/Butler/McDermott/Gibson/Noah is enough. On the other hand, I'd take my chances with Rose/Martin/Butler/Gasol/Noah. That's 3 legit, proven NBA weapons who are used to getting you 20+ points a night, all in different ways too. You have two all-world defenders out there as well along with two other solid defenders in Derrick and Pau. It's a lineup that defenses can't simply load up on Derrick, very balanced, can attack you in multiple ways.

[johnnyvann840]

Here's where the difference is to me.. That 2011 team didn't have the two way players like Taj and jimmy.. if we needed D we had Bogans and younger not as good Taj and Ronnie,,, We had NOBODY on that team who could handle the ball other than Derrick. CJ is too much of a mental midget to trust.. Jimmy, Kirk, McD, MDJ.. all those guys can at least take a pass put it on the deck for a minute . and make a pass.. or bury a three. Korver had no handle, Ronnie had mittens on and couldn't shoot.. Luol was not that guy, Bogans? See what I;m getting at?

[dumbell78]

How much negating is Diaw really doing though? OKC has owned San Antonio the past 3 years with Ibaka playing, in spite of Diaw's presence. They beat them 7 straight, 12 out of 14. They may have beat them again in the playoffs this year with a healthy Ibaka, and even with Ibaka hurt were 2-2 in that series when he played.

And Serge has always been a better rebounder than Taj, regular season, post season, per 36, defensive boards. He's just a better rebounder. Serge averages 2.5 more rebounds per game in the playoffs than Taj.

Diaw sure owned him those last couple games, and the previous 14 he never started.

The rebounding like I said is right about even, and playoffs Serge has played in 71 games to Taj's 44, and nearly 10 minutes more per. The difference is really mute.

Come on now, Ibaka was playing on one leg those last couple games of the San Antonio series. He was supposed to be out for the season.

And sorry but I can't give you the rebounding argument. Serge is statistically a better rebounder than Taj any way you look at it. Taj is a better man defender though, I'll admit that.

I'll admit Serge is the better rebounder by a total of 1 rebound per game.

[Polynice4Pippen]

Here's where the difference is to me.. That 2011 team didn't have the two way players like Taj and jimmy.. if we needed D we had Bogans and younger not as good Taj and Ronnie,,, We had NOBODY on that team who could handle the ball other than Derrick. CJ is too much of a mental midget to trust.. Jimmy, Kirk, McD, MDJ.. all those guys can at least take a pass put it on the deck for a minute . and make a pass.. or bury a three. Korver had no handle, Ronnie had mittens on and couldn't shoot.. Luol was not that guy, Bogans? See what I;m getting at?

Jimmy Butler is not a two-way player, let me just get that out the way first.

The thing is, you're running off all these names, Jimmy, Kirk, McBuckets, Dunleavy. Only 5 guys are going to be on the floor when these games are decided. And other than Derrick, and perhaps Brooks, none of them can create anything for themselves offensively. Taj is solid enough as a two-way player, but Pau is better if he's right. The front court is most certainly improved. But even if Derrick is his old self, Butler isn't enough of an upgrade over Brewer and Bogans to matter. Sure, Jimmy's better than those guys. But he still can't take anyone off the dribble, still shoots under 30% from 3 and under 40% from the floor overall. He's a below average offensive SG. Dunleavy isn't any better than Korver, McDermott hasn't played an NBA game in his life let alone a playoff game against elite defenses to be counted on to be a difference maker in the clutch.

[GuardianEnzo]

Jimmy Butler is not a two-way player, let me just get that out the way first.

Indeed - Butler is a two-way player like Darwin Barney is a two-way player. And how does a 6'7" 220 guy average 4.6 rebounds per 36 minutes?

[samwana]

BTW-- is this a joke?

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ll-Forward

Because I cannot stop laughing

Me neither, that's the biggest joke of the year! I love to see that though, great fun. Boozer is probably working on his 3 point shot al summer.

[Flopper]

Trading Taj for Martin is insane. Though Martin would fill a need, Taj is significantly more valuable considering his solid all-around game, and unique defensive skill set that lets him protect the rim, lock down 4s in small-ball lineups, and switch on to perimeter players without any real drop off. There's not many guys in the league who can do that and only make 8.5mil on a non-rookie contract.

People bring up age a lot, but he has relatively low mileage due to his bench role and the fact that he entered the league at 24. Big guys are also more likely to have prime years that extend well into their thirties, so I wouldn't be surprised if he had another fours of high-end play left in him.

I have no idea if Phoenix would even trade him, but a player like Dragic is closer in value to Taj than Martin is. However,Dragic is for sure the more valuable and the Bulls would definitely need to include a pick or prospect to make that deal work.

[PrimzyBulls81]

I dont think Phoenix if they have ambitions for success would trade Dragic away,he will be even better I think this season. I WOULD LOVE to see him in Bulls jersey,but Its doubtful he is going anywhere.

Taj, Butler for Dragic! would be great trade..

Back to reality.. We have a really good team right now and very balanced..NO NEED for LOVE,just sign another vet on minimum and LETS START!

[Rerisen]

BTW-- is this a joke?

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ll-Forward

Because I cannot stop laughing

Another thing about this; who's making these decisions? Lakers don't even officially have a coach yet.

Lakers Pencil In Carlos Boozer As Starting Small Forward

Carlos Boozer was introduced by the Los Angeles Lakers on Friday.

The Lakers were not optimistic about landing Boozer during the waiver claim process but did so with a $3.25 million bid.

Boozer heard the news from his agent.

"I was ecstatic and I was jumping up and down," Boozer said. "I went back out there and got two more hours in."

Boozer is penciled in as the Lakers' starting small forward, although he has played power forward throughout his 12-year NBA career.

Boozer said he believes he could play up to seven more seasons.
Via Mike Bresnahan/Los Angeles Times

I mean... are we getting trolled here? This is like an Onion article for Bulls fans.

I don't even....

I wouldn't be surprised if Boozer has trouble getting another contract after this year tbh. A Rip Hamilton situation.

[PaKii94]

I got a good name for #6 if it comes to that. will be waiting for my chance to finally start one of these threads

[t-time]

Solid offer from the Knicks for Love. Is that what Melo mortgaged his future for? Lol

Maybe they can then trade Bargnani and Early for Rondo and a first.

[PaKii94]

this is the most dead ive seen on this forum in a while damn thought atleast the aussies would be on lol

[fleet]

Amare, Iman, and HJR for Love.... Thats embarrassing. Why did Phil even bother? He looks like a joke with that offer.

[kbrow20]

Are you guys still wanting to acquire Love? JW

[Proven_Winner]

Amare, Iman, and HJR for Love.... Thats embarrassing. Why did Phil even bother? He looks like a joke with that offer.

DOn't you burn bridges with offers like that? I mean our first shot at Love at least we offered up players who are really good, they just offered 2 expiring contracts and a SG who they don't need.

[Proven_Winner]

Are you guys still wanting to acquire Love? JW

Nope. Honestly we should be turning our attention to someone else on that team because we don't have the pieces for Love.

[kbrow20]

Are you guys still wanting to acquire Love? JW

Nope. Honestly we should be turning our attention to someone else on that team because we don't have the pieces for Love.

What you mean Pek and Martin?

[Proven_Winner]

Are you guys still wanting to acquire Love? JW

Nope. Honestly we should be turning our attention to someone else on that team because we don't have the pieces for Love.

What you mean Pek and Martin?

I don't think we're talking to them about Pek, but yea maybe Martin, Brewer, Budinger shoot I wouldn't be surprised if were trying to talk to them for even Bazz muhammad. I just don't think we are getting involved for Love because our package doesn't come to being as good as clevelands package.

[kbrow20]

Nope. Honestly we should be turning our attention to someone else on that team because we don't have the pieces for Love.

What you mean Pek and Martin?

I don't think we're talking to them about Pek, but yea maybe Martin, Brewer, Budinger shoot I wouldn't be surprised if were trying to talk to them for even Bazz muhammad. I just don't think we are getting involved for Love because our package doesn't come to being as good as clevelands package.

First of all don't doubt your offer. A lot of Minnesota fans loved what you offered. Most wanted this
Love + GR3 + Turiaf for Gibson + Mirotic + McBuckets + Snell + 1st. I personally think your offer is better than Cavs. You offer more players that have upsides then Cavs. Cavs is just Wiggins and a pick with you its a pick + Snell + McBuckets + Mirotic.

I bet you could easily get anyone you want from Minnesota if Mirotic or McBuckets is offered.

if you guys would do this then Minnesota fans would faint on top of getting Wiggins

Gibson + Mirotic + McBuckets + Dunleavy for Pek + Martin + Brewer + GR3 + Maybe a 2nd

But I think that would be to much to ask from you, I'm sure they would like

Gibson + Mirotic + Dunleavy for Pek + Martin + GR3

Then again that might even be to much lol