Way too early NBA draft thread 2021

[Benedict Miller]

Suggs is a great player. I still like the kid Mobley. He'll make a difference.

[Grodoboldo]

Kevin O'Connor dropped his big board.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

[ThisGuyFawkes]

Kevin O'Connor dropped his big board.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

Awesome, thanks for sharing. I know almost nothing about these guys except for their names, but it seems like we need a Bouknight.

Edit: Assuming we don't have a top 10 pick.

[DuckIII]

Kevin O'Connor dropped his big board.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

Ayo’s surge continues, landing in the top 15.

Comments: Surprised by Kispert at 7 and Wagner at 9 (not because they are white). Seems high. Also, no Josh Giddey, who has also been rising boards. And yet Jalen Johnson persists much to my confusion, coming in at 12. If this draft has a guy getting by purely on residual hype, it’s Johnson. Do not want.

[Grodoboldo]

Kevin O'Connor dropped his big board.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

Ayo’s surge continues, landing in the top 15.

Comments: Surprised by Kispert at 7 and Wagner at 9 (not because they are white). Seems high. Also, no Josh Giddey, who has also been rising boards. And yet Jalen Johnson persists much to my confusion, coming in at 12. If this draft has a guy getting by purely on residual hype, it’s Johnson. Do not want.

I haven't really dug deep into it, but so far I find it highly unlikely Ayo is picked out of the top 15 and Giddey out of the top 10.

[DuckIII]

Kevin O'Connor dropped his big board.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

Ayo’s surge continues, landing in the top 15.

Comments: Surprised by Kispert at 7 and Wagner at 9 (not because they are white). Seems high. Also, no Josh Giddey, who has also been rising boards. And yet Jalen Johnson persists much to my confusion, coming in at 12. If this draft has a guy getting by purely on residual hype, it’s Johnson. Do not want.

I haven't really dug deep into it, but so far I find it highly unlikely Ayo is picked out of the top 15 and Giddey out of the top 10.

Because Ayo is perceived in part as a target due to his intangibles, I could see him slipping if he lays an egg in the tourney. But I’d still expect him to go top 20.

[TheSuzerain]

Kevin O'Connor dropped his big board.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

Awesome, thanks for sharing. I know almost nothing about these guys except for their names, but it seems like we need a Bouknight.

Edit: Assuming we don't have a top 10 pick.

Bouknight is like the opposite of what we need. Same with Jalen Green.

They are poor man's versions of Lavine.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Any big board is fodder for discussion, but listening to KOC, I never get the impression he knows what he’s talking about. He’s more of a draft Twitter opinion synthesizer than someone who watches games and has original thoughts.

[TheSuzerain]

Give me Sengun over a lot of those guys he has 10-15.

[KevinPandawong]

Any big board is fodder for discussion, but listening to KOC, I never get the impression he knows what he’s talking about. He’s more of a draft Twitter opinion synthesizer than someone who watches games and has original thoughts.

How do I and1 a million times?

[Grodoboldo]

Ayo’s surge continues, landing in the top 15.

Comments: Surprised by Kispert at 7 and Wagner at 9 (not because they are white). Seems high. Also, no Josh Giddey, who has also been rising boards. And yet Jalen Johnson persists much to my confusion, coming in at 12. If this draft has a guy getting by purely on residual hype, it’s Johnson. Do not want.

I haven't really dug deep into it, but so far I find it highly unlikely Ayo is picked out of the top 15 and Giddey out of the top 10.

Because Ayo is perceived in part as a target due to his intangibles, I could see him slipping if he lays an egg in the tourney. But I’d still expect him to go top 20.

I get what you mean. I just feel that at least one of these play-in teams will fall in love with him. Hell, I'd feel pretty good with him being our pick (though I do prefer Giddey so far).

[Almost Retired]

Give me Sengun over a lot of those guys he has 10-15.

Realistically, what position will be play in the NBA? I have to think PF. He's not tall enough to play the "5".

[TheSuzerain]

Give me Sengun over a lot of those guys he has 10-15.

Realistically, what position will be play in the NBA? I have to think PF. He's not tall enough to play the "5".

I think he can certainly play the 5. That's his natural position.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Only two players i saw live in games from this draft is Roko Prkacin and Malcom Cazalon. If we are still rebuilding team, imo those guys have more talent,athlethicism and skill then both White and Carter. But in realitty they are two years away from being one year away. Roko is gonna get drafted in mid to late first he has that Kirilenko,Giannis light game do it all forwards type, not great but not bad shooter. Imo his floor is more athlethic Dario Saric and ceiling Darius Miles when he was healthy. Cazalon is like young Batum from his early Blazers days. He could go in mid to late second round or undrafted. Play in same team with Marko Simonovic last year second round pick.

[Chi town]

Any big board is fodder for discussion, but listening to KOC, I never get the impression he knows what he’s talking about. He’s more of a draft Twitter opinion synthesizer than someone who watches games and has original thoughts.

He had Killian Hayes as his #1 pick. I know he’s hurt but Hayes looked like a junior varsity HS player.

If Kuminga drops to 5 someone is getting a franchise player.

[Chi town]

Give me Sengun over a lot of those guys he has 10-15.

Realistically, what position will be play in the NBA? I have to think PF. He's not tall enough to play the "5".

I think he can certainly play the 5. That's his natural position.

His highlights look good but his full games make him look no bueno.

[TheSuzerain]

Realistically, what position will be play in the NBA? I have to think PF. He's not tall enough to play the "5".

I think he can certainly play the 5. That's his natural position.

His highlights look good but his full games make him look no bueno.

I mean he's going to be MVP of the Turkish League, so that seems kind of impossible.

[Leslie Forman]

The order is still up for debate, but I don't think I've ever seen a whole entire top-5 locked in so early. It doesn't seem like there's even a remote possibility that someone else is gonna sneak in there.

[The Box Office]

Top 5 Draft ranking 2.0 (Right before March Madness edition):
Order will keep changing until 2 weeks before NBA Draft. Also note that I do not apply NBA comparisons. Comparisons are stupid.

5 - Jonathan Kuminga (I think he stays at number 5 for a while. He can get knocked off my Top 5).
- Problems on defense. Sometimes he disappears.
- Not efficient.
- If he doesn't get the rock a lot, his confidence goes down.
- Nice post up game.
- Pretty good rebounder.

4 - Evan Mobley
- DPOY material. Genius defender.
- Has a developing offense. Can hit threes.
- His twig-like body gives him a higher chance to get injuries during his first 3 NBA seasons.

3 - Cade Cunningham
- A two way player.
- Great defense. 2nd best perimeter defender in this draft behind Suggs. I wouldn't have him guarding point guards though.
- Great facilitator, but I have questions when he's running fast breaks.
- Has the makings to be an elite shooter.
- Nice size for a point forward.
- Really good finisher.
- Slow footed.
- High turnover guy. He has to minimize turnovers or his assists will not mean much.

2 - Jalen Suggs
- A two way player.
- Elite perimeter defense. The best one in this draft, bar none. DPOY material. Dominates NCAA defensive metrics.
- Great facilitator. Great passer.
- Can score.
- Has some hops.
- Shows tons of patience. He's steady.
- Great in half court and in transition.
- Really good finisher.
- Gets a sh*t ton of steals.

1 - Jalen Green
Becoming a 2 way player. More than a mindless scorer. As of 3/18/2021, Green is:
- Ranked 8th in G-League in Defensive Rating
- Ranked 5th in Steal percentage
- Ranked 10th in PER
- Ranked 10th in Assist percentage (underrated passer)
- Ranked 9th in points
- Ranked 10th in Effective FG percentage

He's shown me:
On offense:
- Elite off-ball scorer. He really doesn't need the ball to score. He just knows where to go. I think J. Green is probably the only one in the draft who can do this.
- Can spot up and shoot.
- One man fast break. He can pull up, toss a dime, and go coast to coast. Which way do you want it?
- His handles are fine. A lot of people are overexaggerating his high handle. Didn't look loosey goosey high to me. I didn't see an issue when he's doing Tim Hardaway's killer crossovers, hesitations, step backs, and James Harden stuff making defenders look silly.
- Fearless dunker. Turns anyone into dunk fodder.
- Explosive first step. He gone.
- Rainbow arc shot. Can shoot from anywhere.
- Elite finisher. Has great touch around the rim with his jelly layups. Looks for the And 1. Combined with his explosive hops, watch out.
- Navigates through the trees when he flies in the air.
- Pokes and prods with his dribble to find openings.
- Splits the defense.
- Scores from triple threat just fine.
- The best one on one scorer in the draft. He has a lot of advanced moves.
- Good free throw shooter.
- He can dribble drive and finish with his left hand.

On defense:
- Doesn't get lost on defense anymore. If he does, I didn't see it much.
- Doesn't fall for pump fakes, which is surprising.
- I knew his lateral quickness is a bonus. He can guard point guards.
- Gets steals from weird situations.
- Needs to show more effort in setting his feet and taking charges.

Intangibles:
- Clutch performer. Loves the spotlight.
- Talks trash, but backs it up.
- Wants to be the best.
- Tireless worker.
- Confident.
- Goes up another level in pressure situations.
- Competitive.

Regardless of opinions, be advised that the NBA G-League provides the most difficult competition since the G-League is made up of former NBA pros and experienced men. The strength of his competition is 9 out of 10 to me. Green also played in one "do or die" G-League playoff game where he had 30 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds, 3 steals, 11-20 shooting. The Ignite would have missed the playoffs if Jalen Green was not on the team. Jalen started the season on shaky ground and then he got stronger and showed improvements all around. This is why he skyrocketed to Number One on my big board.

Sometimes, Jalen Green is too fast and needs to be patient for things to develop.

Disagree with me all you want. Yes, I WAS skeptical of Jalen Green's game before G-League season started. I'm not anymore. Would be a mega huge miracle for Chicago Bulls if we got him. He continues our tradition of super athletic perimeter players of Jordan, Pippen, Rose, and LaVine.

Suggs, Cade, and Mobley can claim the top spot, but that depends on how good and how deep they go in March Madness. We'll see.

[WindyCityBorn]

Top 5 Draft ranking 2.0 (Right before March Madness edition):
Order will keep changing until 2 weeks before NBA Draft. Also note that I do not apply NBA comparisons. Comparisons are stupid.

5 - Jonathan Kuminga (I think he stays at number 5 for a while. He can get knocked off my Top 5).
- Problems on defense. Sometimes he disappears.
- Not efficient.
- If he doesn't get the rock a lot, his confidence goes down.
- Nice post up game.
- Pretty good rebounder.

4 - Evan Mobley
- DPOY material. Genius defender.
- Has a developing offense. Can hit threes.
- His twig-like body gives him a higher chance to get injuries during his first 3 NBA seasons.

3 - Cade Cunningham
- A two way player.
- Great defense. 2nd best perimeter defender in this draft behind Suggs. I wouldn't have him guarding point guards though.
- Great facilitator, but I have questions when he's running fast breaks.
- Has the makings to be an elite shooter.
- Nice size for a point forward.
- Really good finisher.
- Slow footed.
- High turnover guy. He has to minimize turnovers or his assists will not mean much.

2 - Jalen Suggs
- A two way player.
- Elite perimeter defense. The best one in this draft, bar none. DPOY material. Dominates NCAA defensive metrics.
- Great facilitator. Great passer.
- Can score.
- Has some hops.
- Shows tons of patience. He's steady.
- Great in half court and in transition.
- Really good finisher.
- Gets a sh*t ton of steals.

1 - Jalen Green
Becoming a 2 way player. More than a mindless scorer. As of 3/18/2021, Green is:
- Ranked 8th in G-League in Defensive Rating
- Ranked 5th in Steal percentage
- Ranked 10th in PER
- Ranked 10th in Assist percentage (underrated passer)
- Ranked 9th in points
- Ranked 10th in Effective FG percentage

He's shown me:
On offense:
- Elite off-ball scorer. He really doesn't need the ball to score. He just knows where to go. I think J. Green is probably the only one in the draft who can do this.
- Can spot up and shoot.
- One man fast break. He can pull up, toss a dime, and go coast to coast. Which way do you want it?
- His handles are fine. A lot of people are overexaggerating his high handle. Didn't look loosey goosey high to me. I didn't see an issue when he's doing Tim Hardaway's killer crossovers, hesitations, step backs, and James Harden stuff making defenders look silly.
- Fearless dunker. Turns anyone into dunk fodder.
- Explosive first step. He gone.
- Rainbow arc shot. Can shoot from anywhere.
- Elite finisher. Has great touch around the rim with his jelly layups. Looks for the And 1. Combined with his explosive hops, watch out.
- Navigates through the trees when he flies in the air.
- Pokes and prods with his dribble to find openings.
- Splits the defense.
- Scores from triple threat just fine.
- The best one on one scorer in the draft. He has a lot of advanced moves.
- Good free throw shooter.
- He can dribble drive and finish with his left hand.

On defense:
- Doesn't get lost on defense anymore. If he does, I didn't see it much.
- Doesn't fall for pump fakes, which is surprising.
- I knew his lateral quickness is a bonus. He can guard point guards.
- Gets steals from weird situations.
- Needs to show more effort in setting his feet and taking charges.

Intangibles:
- Clutch performer. Loves the spotlight.
- Talks trash, but backs it up.
- Wants to be the best.
- Tireless worker.
- Confident.
- Goes up another level in pressure situations.
- Competitive.

Regardless of opinions, be advised that the NBA G-League provides the most difficult competition since the G-League is made up of former NBA pros and experienced men. The strength of his competition is 9 out of 10 to me. Green also played in one "do or die" G-League playoff game where he had 30 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds, 3 steals, 11-20 shooting. The Ignite would have missed the playoffs if Jalen Green was not on the team. Jalen started the season on shaky ground and then he got stronger and showed improvements all around. This is why he skyrocketed to Number One on my big board.

Sometimes, Jalen Green is too fast and needs to be patient for things to develop.

Disagree with me all you want. Yes, I WAS skeptical of Jalen Green's game before G-League season started. I'm not anymore. Would be a mega huge miracle for Chicago Bulls if we got him. He continues our tradition of super athletic perimeter players of Jordan, Pippen, Rose, and LaVine.

Suggs, Cade, and Mobley can claim the top spot, but that depends on how good and how deep they go in March Madness. We'll see.

If we somehow got the first pick I’m taking Suggs.