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Around the NBA: Playoff Edition #2

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Re: Around the NBA: Playoff Edition #2 

Post#841 » by Mech Engineer » Tue May 2, 2017 12:30 am

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Rerisen wrote:FWIW while I'm not convinced on Chris Paul's past or even current ceiling as measured by some statistics, I do think he'd be a relatively strong fit with Butler.

I think Rondo needs to control the ball a little *too* much to be maximized, such that it diminishes Butler, but not in a way that is maximizing the team. Jimmy is good enough to do significant playrunning every game, just not as much as a LeBron or Harden, the problem is when Jimmy has the ball, Rondo is a big liability off ball, and makes it harder for JB, which in turn makes people think Jimmy stinks as a playmaker.

Chris Paul could run the majority of your offense, let Jimmy do 25-33% of the playmaking as well (in fact I think this is what Chris Paul has needed himself!) but when Jimmy has the ball, CP3 would not be a liability due to his excellent shooting.

But how or why he would come here, other than being friends with Wade -and Wade said he's not going to recruit 'just to have a friend on the team' - is much harder to rationalize.


CP3 is actually one of the biggest control freaks in the league. He has every right to be, given his extraordinary efficiency, but he's not a guy who cedes control to others. Rondo's shooting makes things a lot harder on his talented teammates but he has a much more extensive history of co-existing with playmaking wings.


Yes...as you say, he has every right to be a control freak because he directs the offense well and is a true leader. That said, for whatever reason whether his team-mates were not good enough or he ran into bad match-ups during playoffs or injuries, his teams didn't even go to a conference final in his prime. That is not a good sign. There is a problem which is more complex than just saying he didn't have the proper cast.

Now he is older, beat-up and is not used to off-ball game. He is not going to develop or become one at this age. Look at how Wade/LeBron faded on the Heat once one of them declined. Jimmy is the younger/ascending star right now.

I am just not a fan of getting CP3 on this team. There was a time CP3 might have been great for the Bulls...4 years back as soon as Derrick tore his ACL. But, as a Bulls fan....I have had enough of 30+ stars coming to a stripped/no-talent Bulls team. They need to stop paying for past accomplishments even if he adjusts his game or so we think.

Wade didn't adjust, Pau didn't adjust. This is not a plug and play acquisition. Say the Bulls get Durant. That is a better fit and easy to integrate.
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Re: Around the NBA: Playoff Edition #2 

Post#842 » by the ultimates » Tue May 2, 2017 12:56 am

Make up your mind people. You can't say Jimmy (for whatever reason not backed up by any stats all) can't run the point. Then say you don't want another player to take the ball out his hands. News flash another star player is going to need the ball in their hands. Paul can run your offense, shoot and is incredibly efficient.
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Post#843 » by pwrshft99 » Tue May 2, 2017 1:04 am

Wallace
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Wade

Fans really want to continue this tradition and sign CP3?? No thanks. No interested at all in tying up a roster spot with yet another overpaid, demanding vet... And this one hasn't even been out of the second round.
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Post#844 » by kingkirk » Tue May 2, 2017 1:50 am

Rerisen wrote:It would be 5x better than Jimmy and Rondo which for some crazy reason a bunch of people think works and want back.

Chris Paul is getting older, he needs another perimeter ball handler that can help him at this stage.

The feed it to shooters gameplan with him has ran its course and ran into its ceiling enough times. Give it up Doc!


It would be 5x times better with Paul than Rondo. I agree. But where did Wade just go in all this? If Paul comes to the Bulls, it's because of Wade. He isn't coming to Chicago without Wade being here.

Having almost $60m tied up in Paul and Wade next season seems like terrible cap management and virtually no other way to improve the rest of the issues.
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Post#845 » by pipfan » Tue May 2, 2017 1:56 am

This is the plan
Melo and O'Quinn for Rondo, Payne, Bulls first and the asset gained from sending Lopez to a 3rd team

NY gets a pick, Payne, another asset and moves on from Melo-while freeing up $

Wade opts out, signs for 2/$30

Bulls renounce Niko and other FA's

Paul signs

Bosh signs for an exemption

Paul/Grant
Butler/Wade/Valentine
Melo/Butler/Zipser
Bosh/Portis/Melo/Zipser
O'Quinn/Bosh/Felicio

That team is awesome
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Post#846 » by Polynice4Pippen » Tue May 2, 2017 2:47 am

Watching Houston's 3 point shooting and knowing we started Rondo/Wade/Butler on our perimeter makes me :banghead:
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Post#847 » by TheGOATRises007 » Tue May 2, 2017 2:53 am

I hope our FO is watching this Houston 1st half.

Because shooting and spacing is the modern NBA.

We've built a team designed for the 90s and early 00s.
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Post#848 » by Repeat 3-peat » Tue May 2, 2017 3:04 am

LMA has fallen off.

So has Danny Green.
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Post#849 » by kingkirk » Tue May 2, 2017 3:19 am

pipfan wrote:This is the plan
Melo and O'Quinn for Rondo, Payne, Bulls first and the asset gained from sending Lopez to a 3rd team

NY gets a pick, Payne, another asset and moves on from Melo-while freeing up $

Wade opts out, signs for 2/$30

Bulls renounce Niko and other FA's

Paul signs

Bosh signs for an exemption

Paul/Grant
Butler/Wade/Valentine
Melo/Butler/Zipser
Bosh/Portis/Melo/Zipser
O'Quinn/Bosh/Felicio

That team is awesome


Average age of those in the rotation is 45 years
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Post#850 » by TheGOATRises007 » Tue May 2, 2017 3:26 am

pipfan wrote:This is the plan
Melo and O'Quinn for Rondo, Payne, Bulls first and the asset gained from sending Lopez to a 3rd team

NY gets a pick, Payne, another asset and moves on from Melo-while freeing up $

Wade opts out, signs for 2/$30

Bulls renounce Niko and other FA's

Paul signs

Bosh signs for an exemption

Paul/Grant
Butler/Wade/Valentine
Melo/Butler/Zipser
Bosh/Portis/Melo/Zipser
O'Quinn/Bosh/Felicio

That team is awesome


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Post#851 » by pipfan » Tue May 2, 2017 3:29 am

I want to blow it up-I pushed the "Trade Jimmy" idea in early Jan. But, if we keep him, what is the way to compete?

Which of these steps is unlikely? Of course, Paul could just sign a mega deal, but maybe the Melo/Wade/Bosh draw might be enough
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Re: Around the NBA: Playoff Edition #2 

Post#852 » by ImSlower » Tue May 2, 2017 3:29 am

pipfan, I want what you're drinking or smoking.

On the Around the NBA topic, what the hell is going on with LMA? Good lord, he is playing terribly. I would never in a thousand years have bet the Rockets would completely dominate like this in San Antonio.
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Post#853 » by Payt10 » Tue May 2, 2017 3:42 am

GS/HOU will be a fun WCF. HOU isn't big enough to bother them inside, though. You're not going to beat GS by outgunning them, in my opinion. You do it the old fashion way: Physical defense, rebounding, and dominating them inside to get them into foul trouble.
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Post#854 » by Rerisen » Tue May 2, 2017 3:44 am

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Rerisen wrote:It would be 5x better than Jimmy and Rondo which for some crazy reason a bunch of people think works and want back.

Chris Paul is getting older, he needs another perimeter ball handler that can help him at this stage.

The feed it to shooters gameplan with him has ran its course and ran into its ceiling enough times. Give it up Doc!


It would be 5x times better with Paul than Rondo. I agree. But where did Wade just go in all this? If Paul comes to the Bulls, it's because of Wade. He isn't coming to Chicago without Wade being here.

Having almost $60m tied up in Paul and Wade next season seems like terrible cap management and virtually no other way to improve the rest of the issues.


If Paul came you'd have to figure a Wade restructure (with him willing) has to be part of it.

You'd be doing an older 08 Celtics type thing, or at worse you get D'antoni Lakers with Nash and Howard. Either way Bulls would probably sign on thinking they would at least reach playoffs and generate fan interest, not like Jimmy's run is going to last more than about 4 more years anyway.
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Post#855 » by kingkirk » Tue May 2, 2017 3:51 am

Rerisen wrote:If Paul came you'd have to figure a Wade restructure (with him willing) has to be part of it.


True. But what does that look like? 2-30? Paul's max will be $35m. He ain't coming for anything less. That's still half your cap spent on two ageing guards who are in their 30s.

Paul is still great, but I wouldn't want to be paying the back end of that deal.
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Re: Around the NBA: Playoff Edition #2 

Post#856 » by Rerisen » Tue May 2, 2017 3:51 am

Wow rare to see Spurs humiliated almost every quarter like this.
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Post#857 » by Rerisen » Tue May 2, 2017 3:53 am

Mark K wrote:
Rerisen wrote:If Paul came you'd have to figure a Wade restructure (with him willing) has to be part of it.


True. But what does that look like? 2-30? Paul's max will be $35m. He ain't coming for anything less. That's still half your cap spent on two ageing guards who are in their 30s.

Paul is still great, but I wouldn't want to be paying the back end of that deal.


TBH, I don't think the Bulls have many realistic 'play for title' scenarios. Their best hope is probably play for Conference Finals and a miracle, which would be more what that is. I agree Paul is probably going to start declining any moment, likely next year.

Well I mean I'm sure he already is athletically, but as usual with superstars, can stave off the actual impact decline beyond the physical simply with savvy and IQ for a couple years.
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Post#858 » by kingkirk » Tue May 2, 2017 4:07 am

Rerisen wrote:TBH, I don't think the Bulls have many realistic 'play for title' scenarios. Their best hope is probably play for Conference Finals and a miracle, which would be more what that is. I agree Paul is probably going to start declining any moment, likely next year.

Well I mean I'm sure he already is athletically, but as usual with superstars, can stave off the actual impact decline beyond the physical simply with savvy and IQ for a couple years.


There isn't any other player I'd want more on the Bulls than Chris Paul. He's my favourite player in the league, has been for sometime.

From a pure fan perspective, it would be amazing for me. Thinking about it logical though, I want no part of it.

I really don't think bringing him in would lead to a ECF berth, or least have the potential to max out there. Wade is 36 next season. Lopez is 29. Paul will be 32 at the end of the week. Three of your starters being past their athletic prime, as well as their playing prime, all whilst earning huge dollars, means you can't fill out the rest of the roster.

Paul, Wade, Butler, FA PF, Lopez
Payne, Valentine, Zipser, Portis, FA C, FA G, 1st Rounder

That bench is god awful, and with Paul's huge contract on the books as well as an extension for Butler down the line, very little way to improve the roster.

Bulls have so many holes on their roster that it would be very dumb to commit $35m or more to one guy who is no longer in his prime, or least won't be for the majority of his next deal.

Anyways, it's not happening so it's all moot.
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Re: Around the NBA: Playoff Edition #2 

Post#859 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Tue May 2, 2017 4:14 am

I'd pay money to watch a 7 game series of 2017 Rockets vs 2005 Suns. Final scores would be in the high hundreds.
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Re: Around the NBA: Playoff Edition #2 

Post#860 » by Polynice4Pippen » Tue May 2, 2017 4:58 am

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:I'd pay money to watch a 7 game series of 2017 Rockets vs 2005 Suns. Final scores would be in the high hundreds.


A young Stoudemire would have a field day with Houston's front court.
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