Wingy wrote:coldfish wrote:mack2354 wrote:Pat's floor is perfect for what we need short term. I guy who can hit the catch and shoot 3's at a high rate, play average defense at the 4, and not be a liability with defense on the peremiter. Perfect.
The problem is for a 4th pick in the draft people want a superstar. He has played way too conservative, timid, and inconsistent for that. The team is poised for success long term if he improves at the same time DeMar and Vuc start declining.
I don't think in 2022 that we need more than a 6'9 Tony Snell so I'm cool with keeping him. He may develop into more. He may not. I'm patient and don't want to move him. I really think the idea of trading Pat or not comes to how patient fans are and how small they believe our championship window is.
I wouldn't trade Pat right now and I hope our FO feels the same.
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Pat's floor is someone on the bench in street clothes during one of two playoff runs with Vuc and Derozan.
I think people are thinking replacing them will be easier than it actually will. You don't hold onto a potential 4th or 5th man while wasting a year with a near MVP level player.
"Hey, MJ is in his 30's and the team has no PF but hey, Jason Caffey might be ready in a few years so let's stay away from Rodman and we will just replace MJ when he leaves."
As I said above, I suspect that there will be no trade. In which case, I sure hope that Pat starts playing in March and lives up to expectations because mack is largely right. The player who Pat theoretically could be is exactly what Chicago needs.
The biggest problem beyond the injury, and wanting a 4th pick to be a star (which, I don't think is a substantially real problem in terms of number of people that actually think like that) is that even if he does come back -- he's still a ways away from even getting to that floor that we need now.
Unless he suddenly turns some corner coming off a long layoff, and significant injury - despite some positive flashes - he wasn't average defensively, nor good on the perimeter. Then combine his slow release + more talented/harder playing/more disciplined playoff defenses - how often does he get his shot off despite generally good %s? With that it's questionable how well he can even deliver on those catch and shoot 3s. If he were at that floor already, I'd hope early returns on the medicals might tell us we could be good holding on for now. That floor could be years away still.
+1 to thinking replacement of DeMar/Vuc is going to be easy. I think AK can do it, but immediately with zero gap while still in Zach's physical prime? Tall, tall task. I don't see how we have anything but a short window w/Zach's max coming.
It takes two to tango, and an upgrade deal might not be there despite our 1000s of posts. But if there is, and we balk due to some dude who doesn't seem destined to be an all star, and could be years away from a modest floor? Sheesh.
I don’t know about AKME vision concerning this window, but imo reasons we would balk at trading young for old would be a lack of long term financial commitment/ability to pay a difference maker rental. People seem to walk right past the financial aspects. Nothing to go on, but I will be surprised to see these guys go all in for a window rental.
