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[Stratmaster]

They just trying to keep their jobs. Hitting the reset button would admit failure on their part

I don't think so. The one thing I have to say is it appears AK is staking his job on this team continuing to win at the pace they have the last 2 months.

I mean, at this point, if they don't make the playoffs his job has to be gone, right?

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[Muzbar]

Your side stepping my point. If you trade the vets with value (DDR, Vuc, AC) this team goes in the tank. It's human nature to give up on a team when your team gives up on you. Maybe the young guys could rise above that but I don't want to take that chance.

Again, I never said to trade all the vets of value, you could have traded atleast one whilst still getting a vet back and some future assets.

How exactly is a team giving up on a player by trading a vet that isn't them and then handing them the keys and tell them to lead the way, that feels like the complete opposite to me.

So you're saying if someone gives up on you then what's the point in carrying on because your value in yourself is tied to what others believe, despite how much work you've put in?

Could we have? I don't know how you know that. You're assuming that there are deals that would have made this team better that we passed up on. AKME said the exact opposite of that. He's clearly wanting to win now. If he could improve the chances of that happening why wouldn't he? Because there wasn't any.

We've seen countless examples of young players being given too much responsibility too soon. It stunts their development and leads to bad habits. It's not a hard and fast rule so I won't say that it definitely would have happened. I just would not risk it for the minimal gain that of some lowly draft picks.

Could means there was a possibility, yes. I never said I knew they turned down such a deal, however there were reports that the Bulls turned down multiple offers for Caruso, they may have been really good deals but AK wanted more!

I seriously doubt that 3 deadlines in a row their were no deals they could have made to improve this team, even if slightly. You're telling me he couldn't make a deal that helps improve the teams lack of front court depth?

You're putting words into my mouth once again, no surprise here. I never said that there were deals to make this team better, but deals where the Bulls gain some future assets without completely gutting the team.

If AK had made atleast 1 move that fills the teams holes in the frontcourt you'd have less people here complaining, but fact of the matter is that he's sat on his hands the last 3 deadlines now and done nothing.

Maybe signing Robin Lopez well help elevate this team to a playoff berth/championship contention this season?

[Betta Bulleavit]

They just trying to keep their jobs. Hitting the reset button would admit failure on their part

I don't think so. The one thing I have to say is it appears AK is staking his job on this team continuing to win at the pace they have the last 2 months.

I mean, at this point, if they don't make the playoffs his job has to be gone, right?

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You would think. But with our ownership…I’m not convinced.

[Dan Z]

All these fans in here calling this a mediocre team, but if this team was fully healthy, Coby's going back to the bench. That's how talented Ball, Lavine, and Derozan are. And that team is winning a lot of games, with White, Caruso, Ayo, Craig, Carter, Drummond off the bench. Probably a 3 or 4 seed at least.

You can't magically make Lonzo healthy, so whenever anyone calls this team mediocre his injury is part of it.

I know AK can't predict injuries, but he's had time to move in an different direction and refuses to do so.

[jnrjr79]

That's kind of my point. These are the type of players you would normally acquire with late first round picks. Which is why Caruso is so much more valuable than those kinds of draft picks.

I get keeping Caruso for the right price but then why not even trade Drummond for a couple 2nds? Or Torrey Craig for a 2nd? DeMar is good but does he fit your timeline to re-sign him? What about Vucevic?

Because 2nds are worthless.

You don't trade a player you have for the hope that you get lucky and that draft pick becomes the player you traded.

Over the past couple of seasons, multiple useful rotation players have been traded for bunches of 2nd round picks. It's obviously false that having 2nd rounders is useless.

[WindyCityBorn]

They just trying to keep their jobs. Hitting the reset button would admit failure on their part

Everyone already knows they failed. They don’t have to admit it.

[WindyCityBorn]

PWill was a top 4 pick that AKME drafted, not GarPax like Coby, and his perceived "ceiling" is a lot higher than Coby's ever was until recently. Plus Pat has said he wants $20+ mil a year.

AKME loves Pat. I fully expected him to get that $20M+ per year contract. We bid against ourselves for Vuc, why wouldn't we do the same with Pat?

Killian Hayes was a top 7 pick and just got cut.

James Wiseman was a top 2 pick - is he getting $30m this summer??

The Vuc trade and re-signing has been bad, both in a vacuum, and within the context on this team.

Every other move has been good value, some have been good value but not the best fit.

AKME has shown absolutely zero ability to move on from poor moves. They'll double down like they've done over and over again. I would love to be proven wrong.

AKME views Pat as the future of this team. He's getting his bag, we should all prepare for it.

Honestly I would rather give Pat his first big deal than give DeMar his last one. We will do both though.

[Stratmaster]

I get keeping Caruso for the right price but then why not even trade Drummond for a couple 2nds? Or Torrey Craig for a 2nd? DeMar is good but does he fit your timeline to re-sign him? What about Vucevic?

Because 2nds are worthless.

You don't trade a player you have for the hope that you get lucky and that draft pick becomes the player you traded.

I disagree on 2nds being worthless. I'm sure all the teams will gladly take your 2nds if they could. I guess it looks like the hope and goal is to re-sign Drummond and DeRozan and run it back for the most part

I don't think so. If the season goes south I don't think they re-sign either unless they get highly team friendly deals.

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[Stratmaster]

One day we’ll have a fun team again

Wait. I thought this team was really really fun since Lavine went out.

That's what everyone was saying.

??

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[WindyCityBorn]

Is this how you guys live your lives? The best or nothing?

My house needs work. Burn it to the ground.

My wife and I had an argument. Instant divorce.

My kid got a C+ in math. Fire that teacher

Seems like a real good recipe for being miserable...

My house needs work. Don't do anything, just let it continue rotting and hope it magically gets fixed.

My wife and I had an argument. Avoid interacting with her at all costs.

My kid got a C+ in math. Congratulate him for being competitive and in the thick of it.

Thanks for this reply bc the OP is a joke of a take. One of the worst Bulls takes I’ve seen in years. I usually am always fair to my fellow bulls brethren but that was utterly ridiculous. The way this team has been run since Lonzo’s injury is absolutely embarrassing and horrifying.

There has been no accountability and it’s been a re-run of a bad tv show for a few years.

I refuse to believe there wasn’t a move to be made in one direction or another. When the only move you’ve made in the trade market for 30 months was giving away a franchise player, how anyone could support these guys…is so far beyond me it’s sickening.

I’m gonna pull up short of posting receipts off all the fans here who thought Jevon Carter should start over Coby White. Maybe some of the same people giving AKME a pass over and over.

Yeah I’m pissed off.

Calling Lauri a franchise player is a huge exaggeration. If he was still here paired Coby we would actually have a future though. At this point we have to pray Pat pulls a Coby type rise(impossible as long both DeMar and Vuc are here) that we get really lucky in he draft lottery. We probably won’t even have our pick in 2025.

[jnrjr79]

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my bad if i posted something already posted

but, um why didn't they go after the guy before the went super saiyan on the league? I've been talking about JK since the beginning of the season

Same thing I said on twitter. It makes sense they wanted him, but they shoulda done it when he was gettin benched and voiced his frustration about his role/playing time.

Do we know that they didn't pursue him? Couldn't it be that the Warriors just never had any interest in trading him?

Yeah, to my recollection, the reports of the Bulls wanting Kuminga in the deal aren't really about today - that had been their position for some period of time prior to the deadline. Exactly when/how it coincided with his improved play I'm not sure, but it's not a thing that just popped up in the past couple of days.

[Up-And-Coming]

Because 2nds are worthless.

You don't trade a player you have for the hope that you get lucky and that draft pick becomes the player you traded.

I disagree on 2nds being worthless. I'm sure all the teams will gladly take your 2nds if they could. I guess it looks like the hope and goal is to re-sign Drummond and DeRozan and run it back for the most part

I don't think so. If the season goes south I don't think they re-sign either unless they get highly team friendly deals.

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Okay, ya that was my point though that you might as well trade one of them if not a couple for whatever future asset you can get, even if it's "just" a 2nd round pick

[Stratmaster]

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Who the hell is Kev? And sure. He has sources. And he knows. But he can't say. Lol

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[jnrjr79]

Even the Reinsdorf should realize that AK should get axed. This isn't subtle malfeasance.

If/when we lose in the play-in again, honestly could see him jettisoned.

That is NOT how the Reinsdorfs operate lol. When AKME were signed that came with a minimum 10 year cushion of job security.

I know people joke about this. But GarPax had a very good run to start their tenure. Legitimate built up goodwill.

AK has nothing.

Umm, you seem to be forgetting that they went 14-9 with Pat Bev.

[jnrjr79]

Apparently espn struggles with mathematics

Basketball Reference has them at a 21.5% chance. FanDuel has it at +310 (so also unlikely). 538 projects them missing the playoffs.

But yeah, sure, the problem here is that ESPN sucks at math.

Apparently, you do as well. Why would the odds be so different?

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Are you seriously asking why various models aimed at predicting the future have variance between them?

[Infinity2152]

All these fans in here calling this a mediocre team, but if this team was fully healthy, Coby's going back to the bench. That's how talented Ball, Lavine, and Derozan are. And that team is winning a lot of games, with White, Caruso, Ayo, Craig, Carter, Drummond off the bench. Probably a 3 or 4 seed at least.

You can't magically make Lonzo healthy, so whenever anyone calls this team mediocre his injury is part of it.

I know AK can't predict injuries, but he's had time to move in an different direction and refuses to do so.

How can he move on from it while still holding his contract? Not to mention every year but this one, Lonzo's been rumored to be coming back. Somehow magically ignore Lonzo's $20 mill cap hit and bring back an equivalent player without spending assets? Like it or not, until Lonzo's contract is off our books, he's a heavy anchor on acquisitions.

[jnrjr79]

All these fans in here calling this a mediocre team, but if this team was fully healthy, Coby's going back to the bench. That's how talented Ball, Lavine, and Derozan are. And that team is winning a lot of games, with White, Caruso, Ayo, Craig, Carter, Drummond off the bench. Probably a 3 or 4 seed at least.

This team is not mediocre in terms of talent.

This is a terrific argument to do some trades. The Bulls are a shining example of the whole being less than the sum of its parts. They've got talent, but it doesn't fit together, so you need to make some changes to keep some of the talent and complement it correctly.

[kulaz3000]

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Who the hell is Kev? And sure. He has sources. And he knows. But he can't say. Lol

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I hate those types of tweets, they are utterly useless.

[WindyCityBorn]

My house needs work. Don't do anything, just let it continue rotting and hope it magically gets fixed.

My wife and I had an argument. Avoid interacting with her at all costs.

My kid got a C+ in math. Congratulate him for being competitive and in the thick of it.

Thanks for this reply bc the OP is a joke of a take. One of the worst Bulls takes I’ve seen in years. I usually am always fair to my fellow bulls brethren but that was utterly ridiculous. The way this team has been run since Lonzo’s injury is absolutely embarrassing and horrifying.

You could have just replied to me. I'm a big boy. I can handle it.

We just see basketball differently my friend. I am far from a championship or bust kind of guy. And I definitely don't think that being bad is the only way to get good. I'm team continuity. I want to establish a winning identity. I want people to say Bulls Culture the way they say Heat Culture. You, and apparently many others, would rather just take their chances with the lottery.

I'd like to make the playoffs this year. What a terrible take.

I’m not championship or bust, but this team has ZERO hope of even dreaming about championship even if EVERYTHING fell correctly. Best case scenario is a first round exit every season. Not sure how you can be satisfied with that.

[Stratmaster]

Either homecourt advantage in the play-in or there's a shot at the sixth seed.

I don't think people realize that for the last 2 months, the Bulls have been a top 10 NBA team.

Do I think they are a conference title contender? No. But could they give a team hell in a first round playoff series? Sure.

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And you're happy with that?

For this season? I would be thrilled. What would have made them a contender? Do you seriously think there was a move to be made that would have made the Bulls contenders this season?

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