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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - DA BULLS Edition Pick #11 

Post#841 » by Dresden » Wed May 29, 2024 12:34 am

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It's also diluted the quality of NCAA basketball. But there's no turning back.


In this day and age 3 years is probably asking too much. I do think it should be raised to 20. Let these kids have a minimum of 2 years in college. They already can get NIL money. It’s a joke when someone like Bronny is going to the NBA when he couldn’t even average 5ppg in college.


Well 99.99999999999% of college athletes don't have the best player of his generation putting his weight behind getting him into the 1st round. Everyone else would get laughed out the door.,


I was trying to think- "why is Bronny going into he draft this year? Why not stay at least one more year and try to improve your numbers?" And I imagine the reason is that who knows how much longer Lebron is going to play, and Bronny's value to the league for marketing purposes drops a ton once they can no longer hype up the two of them playing on the same team, or them playing against each other.
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Post#842 » by Rose2Boozer » Wed May 29, 2024 10:31 am

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In this day and age 3 years is probably asking too much. I do think it should be raised to 20. Let these kids have a minimum of 2 years in college. They already can get NIL money. It’s a joke when someone like Bronny is going to the NBA when he couldn’t even average 5ppg in college.


Well 99.99999999999% of college athletes don't have the best player of his generation putting his weight behind getting him into the 1st round. Everyone else would get laughed out the door.,


I was trying to think- "why is Bronny going into he draft this year? Why not stay at least one more year and try to improve your numbers?" And I imagine the reason is that who knows how much longer Lebron is going to play, and Bronny's value to the league for marketing purposes drops a ton once they can no longer hype up the two of them playing on the same team, or them playing against each other.


Bronny could spend the next 3 years playing college basketball and still end up being a G League lifer. What I don't understand is reports of him not being willing to sign a 2-Way. I guess I do understand but the audacity is crazy.
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Re: 2024 NBA Draft - DA BULLS Edition Pick #11 

Post#843 » by Am2626 » Wed May 29, 2024 12:40 pm

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In this day and age 3 years is probably asking too much. I do think it should be raised to 20. Let these kids have a minimum of 2 years in college. They already can get NIL money. It’s a joke when someone like Bronny is going to the NBA when he couldn’t even average 5ppg in college.


Well 99.99999999999% of college athletes don't have the best player of his generation putting his weight behind getting him into the 1st round. Everyone else would get laughed out the door.,


I was trying to think- "why is Bronny going into he draft this year? Why not stay at least one more year and try to improve your numbers?" And I imagine the reason is that who knows how much longer Lebron is going to play, and Bronny's value to the league for marketing purposes drops a ton once they can no longer hype up the two of them playing on the same team, or them playing against each other.


LeBron is still playing at an All NBA level. He would be the best player on this Bulls team. If he wanted to he could probably play another 10 years. I still see plenty of opportunities for father and son to play together so I don’t understand this type of urgency to get Bronny to the NBA. What I know is this is going to hurt Bronny’s chances of being able to make it in the league because he is not ready or close to it.
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Post#844 » by Am2626 » Wed May 29, 2024 12:45 pm

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Well 99.99999999999% of college athletes don't have the best player of his generation putting his weight behind getting him into the 1st round. Everyone else would get laughed out the door.,


I was trying to think- "why is Bronny going into he draft this year? Why not stay at least one more year and try to improve your numbers?" And I imagine the reason is that who knows how much longer Lebron is going to play, and Bronny's value to the league for marketing purposes drops a ton once they can no longer hype up the two of them playing on the same team, or them playing against each other.


Bronny could spend the next 3 years playing college basketball and still end up being a G League lifer. What I don't understand is reports of him not being willing to sign a 2-Way. I guess I do understand but the audacity is crazy.


That’s true but going to the NBA now guarantees that he stays a G League Lifer. This guarantees that he has no chance.There is a reason why they disbanded the G League Ignite team. It’s not a place for 18-20 year olds to develop their game.
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Post#845 » by sco » Wed May 29, 2024 1:02 pm

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I was trying to think- "why is Bronny going into he draft this year? Why not stay at least one more year and try to improve your numbers?" And I imagine the reason is that who knows how much longer Lebron is going to play, and Bronny's value to the league for marketing purposes drops a ton once they can no longer hype up the two of them playing on the same team, or them playing against each other.


Bronny could spend the next 3 years playing college basketball and still end up being a G League lifer. What I don't understand is reports of him not being willing to sign a 2-Way. I guess I do understand but the audacity is crazy.


That’s true but going to the NBA now guarantees that he stays a G League Lifer. This guarantees that he has no chance.There is a reason why they disbanded the G League Ignite team. It’s not a place for 18-20 year olds to develop their game.

I thought it was because those kids could make better money in college.
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Post#846 » by Jcool0 » Wed May 29, 2024 1:09 pm

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Well 99.99999999999% of college athletes don't have the best player of his generation putting his weight behind getting him into the 1st round. Everyone else would get laughed out the door.,


I was trying to think- "why is Bronny going into he draft this year? Why not stay at least one more year and try to improve your numbers?" And I imagine the reason is that who knows how much longer Lebron is going to play, and Bronny's value to the league for marketing purposes drops a ton once they can no longer hype up the two of them playing on the same team, or them playing against each other.


LeBron is still playing at an All NBA level. He would be the best player on this Bulls team. If he wanted to he could probably play another 10 years. I still see plenty of opportunities for father and son to play together so I don’t understand this type of urgency to get Bronny to the NBA. What I know is this is going to hurt Bronny’s chances of being able to make it in the league because he is not ready or close to it.


LeBron is playing at a high level but he isn't playing another 10 years.
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Post#847 » by Jcool0 » Wed May 29, 2024 1:11 pm

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Well 99.99999999999% of college athletes don't have the best player of his generation putting his weight behind getting him into the 1st round. Everyone else would get laughed out the door.,


I was trying to think- "why is Bronny going into he draft this year? Why not stay at least one more year and try to improve your numbers?" And I imagine the reason is that who knows how much longer Lebron is going to play, and Bronny's value to the league for marketing purposes drops a ton once they can no longer hype up the two of them playing on the same team, or them playing against each other.


Bronny could spend the next 3 years playing college basketball and still end up being a G League lifer. What I don't understand is reports of him not being willing to sign a 2-Way. I guess I do understand but the audacity is crazy.


Its LeBron using his agency and star power to guarantee his kid at lest one full NBA contract.
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Post#848 » by sco » Wed May 29, 2024 1:37 pm

Jcool0 wrote:
Rose2Boozer wrote:
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I was trying to think- "why is Bronny going into he draft this year? Why not stay at least one more year and try to improve your numbers?" And I imagine the reason is that who knows how much longer Lebron is going to play, and Bronny's value to the league for marketing purposes drops a ton once they can no longer hype up the two of them playing on the same team, or them playing against each other.


Bronny could spend the next 3 years playing college basketball and still end up being a G League lifer. What I don't understand is reports of him not being willing to sign a 2-Way. I guess I do understand but the audacity is crazy.


Its LeBron using his agency and star power to guarantee his kid at lest one full NBA contract.

I'm sure LBJ will be able to get his kid at least 1 NBA deal. I see LAL keeping LBJ and drafting Bronny, possibly trading down to do it.
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Post#849 » by Am2626 » Wed May 29, 2024 2:09 pm

Jcool0 wrote:
Rose2Boozer wrote:
Dresden wrote:
I was trying to think- "why is Bronny going into he draft this year? Why not stay at least one more year and try to improve your numbers?" And I imagine the reason is that who knows how much longer Lebron is going to play, and Bronny's value to the league for marketing purposes drops a ton once they can no longer hype up the two of them playing on the same team, or them playing against each other.


Bronny could spend the next 3 years playing college basketball and still end up being a G League lifer. What I don't understand is reports of him not being willing to sign a 2-Way. I guess I do understand but the audacity is crazy.


Its LeBron using his agency and star power to guarantee his kid at lest one full NBA contract.


The guy is a billionaire. How much money does his family need?
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Post#850 » by Am2626 » Wed May 29, 2024 2:12 pm

Jcool0 wrote:
Am2626 wrote:
Dresden wrote:
I was trying to think- "why is Bronny going into he draft this year? Why not stay at least one more year and try to improve your numbers?" And I imagine the reason is that who knows how much longer Lebron is going to play, and Bronny's value to the league for marketing purposes drops a ton once they can no longer hype up the two of them playing on the same team, or them playing against each other.


LeBron is still playing at an All NBA level. He would be the best player on this Bulls team. If he wanted to he could probably play another 10 years. I still see plenty of opportunities for father and son to play together so I don’t understand this type of urgency to get Bronny to the NBA. What I know is this is going to hurt Bronny’s chances of being able to make it in the league because he is not ready or close to it.


LeBron is playing at a high level but he isn't playing another 10 years.


I agree. That was an exaggeration. My point is Bronny could easily play another year in college and still be able to have an opportunity to play with his father after that. It’s all a moot point because it was announced that he is staying in the draft. Not rooting for him or his dad to succeed.
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Post#851 » by Red8911 » Wed May 29, 2024 2:55 pm

Dresden wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:
Am2626 wrote:
In this day and age 3 years is probably asking too much. I do think it should be raised to 20. Let these kids have a minimum of 2 years in college. They already can get NIL money. It’s a joke when someone like Bronny is going to the NBA when he couldn’t even average 5ppg in college.


Well 99.99999999999% of college athletes don't have the best player of his generation putting his weight behind getting him into the 1st round. Everyone else would get laughed out the door.,


I was trying to think- "why is Bronny going into he draft this year? Why not stay at least one more year and try to improve your numbers?" And I imagine the reason is that who knows how much longer Lebron is going to play, and Bronny's value to the league for marketing purposes drops a ton once they can no longer hype up the two of them playing on the same team, or them playing against each other.

Exactly, Bronny doesn’t need to improve his numbers or go back to college. He’s getting in anyway. Same way Thanasis Antetokoumpo is still on an NBA roster. Both these guys will take away spots from real talent who deserve to be there.

This is what happens when the league lets these players have so much power. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Lebron takes PEDs and the NBA knows but looks the other way. He owns the league right now.
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Post#852 » by Am2626 » Wed May 29, 2024 3:16 pm

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Dresden wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:
Well 99.99999999999% of college athletes don't have the best player of his generation putting his weight behind getting him into the 1st round. Everyone else would get laughed out the door.,


I was trying to think- "why is Bronny going into he draft this year? Why not stay at least one more year and try to improve your numbers?" And I imagine the reason is that who knows how much longer Lebron is going to play, and Bronny's value to the league for marketing purposes drops a ton once they can no longer hype up the two of them playing on the same team, or them playing against each other.

Exactly, Bronny doesn’t need to improve his numbers or go back to college. He’s getting in anyway. Same way Thanasis Antetokoumpo is still on an NBA roster. Both these guys will take away spots from real talent who deserve to be there.

This is what happens when the league lets these players have so much power. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Lebron takes PEDs and the NBA knows but looks the other way. He owns the league right now.


He may be getting in but he needs reps and development if he has any chance to stay in the league. He has no chance to do that on an NBA roster and his agent said that he won’t sign a 2 way contract. Even in the G League he’d be going up against grown men and there isn’t any focus on young player development for a 19 year old kid. His best option would have been to go to Duquesne and play for LeBron’s childhood friend.
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Post#853 » by Dresden » Wed May 29, 2024 4:24 pm

Am2626 wrote:
Dresden wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:
Well 99.99999999999% of college athletes don't have the best player of his generation putting his weight behind getting him into the 1st round. Everyone else would get laughed out the door.,


I was trying to think- "why is Bronny going into he draft this year? Why not stay at least one more year and try to improve your numbers?" And I imagine the reason is that who knows how much longer Lebron is going to play, and Bronny's value to the league for marketing purposes drops a ton once they can no longer hype up the two of them playing on the same team, or them playing against each other.


LeBron is still playing at an All NBA level. He would be the best player on this Bulls team. If he wanted to he could probably play another 10 years. I still see plenty of opportunities for father and son to play together so I don’t understand this type of urgency to get Bronny to the NBA. What I know is this is going to hurt Bronny’s chances of being able to make it in the league because he is not ready or close to it.


You never know- Lebron could tear an Achille's and then how easy would it be for him to come back from that at his age? Sort of like what happened to Kobe at the end of his career- severe injuries that take a long time to recover from.

It's possible too that his agent told him that his best chance of getting drafted is right now, while there's still some perceived upside, whereas if he spends another year in college, and doesn't improve a whole lot, it will really be a tough sell to get a team to draft him.

Either way, I can't think of the last time a non-center that averaged less than 6 ppg got drafted.
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Post#854 » by DuckIII » Wed May 29, 2024 5:33 pm

Doesn’t matter if Bronny comes out now or later. He’s not an NBA talent and never will be. He didn’t even deserve his spot on a major conference D1 team.

So as long as he’s okay with the knowledge his time spent in the NBA will not be based on his own merit, he might as well jump now and hope for the unearned opportunity to prove people like me (I.e., everyone) wrong.
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Post#855 » by moorhosj » Wed May 29, 2024 6:29 pm

DuckIII wrote:Doesn’t matter if Bronny comes out now or later. He’s not an NBA talent and never will be. He didn’t even deserve his spot on a major conference D1 team.

This seems a little over-the-top, he was a highly ranking high school recruit. He moved up those rankings based on having a great senior year of high school. If it was entirely about his dad, he would have already been a top-30 prospect before his senior year. He certainly didn't have a great freshman year, but he also suffered a cardiac arrest during practice, so he probably deserves a little leeway.
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Post#856 » by Jcool0 » Wed May 29, 2024 7:00 pm

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DuckIII wrote:Doesn’t matter if Bronny comes out now or later. He’s not an NBA talent and never will be. He didn’t even deserve his spot on a major conference D1 team.

This seems a little over-the-top, he was a highly ranking high school recruit. He moved up those rankings based on having a great senior year of high school. If it was entirely about his dad, he would have already been a top-30 prospect before his senior year. He certainly didn't have a great freshman year, but he also suffered a cardiac arrest during practice, so he probably deserves a little leeway.


This was his "great" senior year: 14.2 points, 5.5 rebounds, 2.4 assists and 1.8 steals.
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Post#857 » by moorhosj » Wed May 29, 2024 7:52 pm

Jcool0 wrote:This was his "great" senior year: 14.2 points, 5.5 rebounds, 2.4 assists and 1.8 steals.

Matas Buzelis averaged 15.7 points, 5.6 rebounds, 1.8 assists, and 1.6 blocks on his way to winning Kansas high school player of the year. He was a top-15 recruit and will probably be drafted in the top-10 this year.
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Post#858 » by Jcool0 » Wed May 29, 2024 7:59 pm

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Jcool0 wrote:This was his "great" senior year: 14.2 points, 5.5 rebounds, 2.4 assists and 1.8 steals.

Matas Buzelis averaged 15.7 points, 5.6 rebounds, 1.8 assists, and 1.6 blocks on his way to winning Kansas high school player of the year. He was a top-15 recruit and will probably be drafted in the top-10 this year.


Congrats to him?
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Post#859 » by moorhosj » Wed May 29, 2024 8:07 pm

Jcool0 wrote:Congrats to him?

I thought the point was pretty obvious. You didn't seem to get it, so I'll explain. High school stats don't matter much and you posting them as a "gotcha" is silly, as shown by an even more highly-regarded player in the same class having very similar stats.

I hope that clears it up.
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Post#860 » by Jcool0 » Wed May 29, 2024 8:18 pm

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Jcool0 wrote:Congrats to him?

I thought the point was pretty obvious. You didn't seem to get it, so I'll explain. High school stats don't matter much and you posting them as a "gotcha" is silly, as shown by an even more highly-regarded player in the same class having very similar stats.

I hope that clears it up.


High school stats mean nothing when you are 6'10" forward shooting 54/42/80 projected to be the #1 pick.

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