NBA Trade Thread #12

[jnrjr79]

Reports out that Pelicans are not trading Zion this summer. Takes 1 big name off the block. Imo, with Boston getting new owners and Tatum out for so long, Jaylen Brown may be available. To me, the possibly attainable high end players with our assets this summer are: Ja Morant, Desmond Bane, Jaylen Brown, Kevin Durant, Naz Reid, Jrue Holiday, Lauri Markannen, Derrick White, PG13 plus pick 3. Am I missing anybody?

My order would be:
PG13 plus 3
Desmond Bane
Jaylen Brown
Naz Reid
Derrick White for chump change
Jrue Holiday for chump change with picks coming back
Stand pat

I saw that report re: Zion and wondered whether it's actually legit or if it's a ploy to increase his market value.

The PG + #3 pick is really intriguing. I could see it appealing to AK because he'd be taking back a big name player, but obviously the #3 is the reason you want it. I saw a report that the Sixers were considering Lauri or Durant as the target there. Do the Bulls have $49 million of salary that Philly would want, though? I'm assuming they'd view Coby as duplicative of Maxey and that Vooch and Embiid shouldn't be on the same roster. I don't really see how the Bulls get there.

[Infinity2152]

Reports out that Pelicans are not trading Zion this summer. Takes 1 big name off the block. Imo, with Boston getting new owners and Tatum out for so long, Jaylen Brown may be available. To me, the possibly attainable high end players with our assets this summer are: Ja Morant, Desmond Bane, Jaylen Brown, Kevin Durant, Naz Reid, Jrue Holiday, Lauri Markannen, Derrick White, PG13 plus pick 3. Am I missing anybody?

My order would be:
PG13 plus 3
Desmond Bane
Jaylen Brown
Naz Reid
Derrick White for chump change
Jrue Holiday for chump change with picks coming back
Stand pat

I can't believe the Sixers would trade the #3 pick just to get off PGs contract.

Not just to get off PG13's contract. They get usable expiring pieces, Coby's probably worth PG13 at this point, lol. Vucevic as an expiring and way to keep Embid's minutes down, starter during his game management. Williams probably plays more games than PG13. They still have Maxey and Embid, but we might have to give them a pick in the deal too. Like we discussed, at some point these teams that are not actual top contenders will have to make power moves based on money, and Maxey and Embid make a ton. Getting off PG13's money is not a small thing if you want to keep talent around Maxey and Embid.

Most deals are just a matter of price. Wouldn't do any of the deals if the price is too high, but I think we could definitely present an offer for George and #3 they'd accept. Add pick 12, Portland first to the deal for instance. Send Coby, Huerter and Vucevic so they're all expiring with chance to re-sign. Since Ace Bailey came in at 6'7 instead of 6'10, this is basically a two man topped draft anyway.

[kodo]

The PG + #3 package was mentioned for Kevin Durant or Lauri Markkanen, well above Coby's grade. I don't even know if Lauri would be good enough after his down year.

[jnrjr79]

The PG + #3 package was mentioned for Kevin Durant or Lauri Markkanen, well above Coby's grade. I don't even know if Lauri would be good enough after his down year.

I don't know. Is Lauri at 30% of the cap for 4 seasons a super valuable asset?

Lauri was 19 PPG on 42% from the floor and 34.6% from 3.

Coby was 20.4 PPG on 45% from the floor and 27% from 3.

Durant, even at his age, is way, way better than both of those guys, though.

[Infinity2152]

The PG + #3 package was mentioned for Kevin Durant or Lauri Markkanen, well above Coby's grade. I don't even know if Lauri would be good enough after his down year.

What do you think Coby's grade is? $25-30 mill 26 year old SG at less than half price, market wise. Kevin Durant is old and expiring, Lauri doesn't make nearly enough, a lot would have to be added just like with Coby. Don't think they have the expirings. Are you all seriously suggesting we couldn't possibly put together a package Philly would accept for PG13 and pick 3? Like Phoenix would take on another huge useless long term contract with Beal still on the books. Didn't even say waht the package we'd be offering is, and Philly's already turning us down, lmao! They're turning down Coby, pick 12, Portland pick, Huerter, Vucevic, Bulls 2027 first for one year of 36 year old Durant. Don't think Durant is more impactful than all that short term, and definitely not long term.

Guess they could be stupid and opt for Durant, if Phoenix is stupid enough to add George's contract to Bokkers and Beal's. Then Maxey and Durant can try to carry the team the many games Embid misses, with no depth.

[sco]

Reports out that Pelicans are not trading Zion this summer. Takes 1 big name off the block. Imo, with Boston getting new owners and Tatum out for so long, Jaylen Brown may be available. To me, the possibly attainable high end players with our assets this summer are: Ja Morant, Desmond Bane, Jaylen Brown, Kevin Durant, Naz Reid, Jrue Holiday, Lauri Markannen, Derrick White, PG13 plus pick 3. Am I missing anybody?

My order would be:
PG13 plus 3
Desmond Bane
Jaylen Brown
Naz Reid
Derrick White for chump change
Jrue Holiday for chump change with picks coming back
Stand pat

Infinity, I give you credit. If sheer enthusiasm for a deal is enough to will it into existence, you are well on your way to nabbing Brown. I will say that Tatum's injury throws new light there, but very very likely they focus on dealing Holiday, if possible, or KP before Brown or White.

If somehow Bane became available, I'd be all over that deal.

[MrSparkle]

Reports out that Pelicans are not trading Zion this summer. Takes 1 big name off the block. Imo, with Boston getting new owners and Tatum out for so long, Jaylen Brown may be available. To me, the possibly attainable high end players with our assets this summer are: Ja Morant, Desmond Bane, Jaylen Brown, Kevin Durant, Naz Reid, Jrue Holiday, Lauri Markannen, Derrick White, PG13 plus pick 3. Am I missing anybody?

My order would be:
PG13 plus 3
Desmond Bane
Jaylen Brown
Naz Reid
Derrick White for chump change
Jrue Holiday for chump change with picks coming back
Stand pat

I'd be ecstatic if Bulls did not pick up (rather, "pay up, for") any of these guys. For the love of god, pick another corner-piece in the draft. Get creative; add another pick. Take some bad salary (not Jrue! Not taking Celtics' 28th pick).

Sixers aren't giving away PG13 and #3 just to save cash. I'd consider it if Morey wasn't a shark of a GM. He's not going to give those 2 chips away for a weak return. But what they do need to do is turn those pieces into 3+ playoff rotation players.

I think Blazers make a good trade partner (for a variety of teams). They need to move Ayton and Grant, the #11 pick doesn't help them much, and Camara/Murray are 2 cheap/solid assets. Swap that package for PG13/Ace.

If Bulls wanted to get in on that, they'd have to pay a steep price. Our "assets" that should be worthwhile are huge net-negatives (PWilly, Terry). Then you work on the bargain chips, and at the end of the day, guys like Phillips, Ayo, etc. just aren't worthwhile for a team with championship aspirations. It would have to be Matas, to get the Sixers interested. You offer salaries like Huerter and Vuc, and the Sixers just laugh. The small chance that PG13 has a bounce-back season is infinitely more worthwhile than Vuc.

[Infinity2152]

Reports out that Pelicans are not trading Zion this summer. Takes 1 big name off the block. Imo, with Boston getting new owners and Tatum out for so long, Jaylen Brown may be available. To me, the possibly attainable high end players with our assets this summer are: Ja Morant, Desmond Bane, Jaylen Brown, Kevin Durant, Naz Reid, Jrue Holiday, Lauri Markannen, Derrick White, PG13 plus pick 3. Am I missing anybody?

My order would be:
PG13 plus 3
Desmond Bane
Jaylen Brown
Naz Reid
Derrick White for chump change
Jrue Holiday for chump change with picks coming back
Stand pat

Infinity, I give you credit. If sheer enthusiasm for a deal is enough to will it into existence, you are well on your way to nabbing Brown. I will say that Tatum's injury throws new light there, but very very likely they focus on dealing Holiday, if possible, or KP before Brown or White.

If somehow Bane became available, I'd be all over that deal.

These are the guys I'd take shots at. Most have had trade discussions by a lot of people other than myself, and I see sound reasons for the teams wanting to trade the players. Of course we wouldn't be the top bidder for each and every one, that's why we need to take more than 1-2 shots. I'll say again, I never though Dallas would trade Luka either. He's more talented, higher rated than Brown, more important to his team, and not paying super max (ala Brown) seems to be the primary reason. Moving Porzingas, Holiday, White, etc doesn't change the fact they have two supermax contracts, and the current owners didn't sign off on that. How many other teams have two supermax players? You need to move two of those guys to equal Brown's contract. Is he worth two of them?

Moving KP for expirings does nothing. He's already expiring. Of course they'd prefer to move Holiday, White, Brown probably in that order. But the Brown/Tatum at supermax pairing may not look feasible to the new owners when there's little chance of winning now. Celtics are at $228 mill next season with 12 players, not counting Horford. And they're constant repeaters. They don't need to clear $30 mill, they need to clear like $50-70 mill.

[sco]

Reports out that Pelicans are not trading Zion this summer. Takes 1 big name off the block. Imo, with Boston getting new owners and Tatum out for so long, Jaylen Brown may be available. To me, the possibly attainable high end players with our assets this summer are: Ja Morant, Desmond Bane, Jaylen Brown, Kevin Durant, Naz Reid, Jrue Holiday, Lauri Markannen, Derrick White, PG13 plus pick 3. Am I missing anybody?

My order would be:
PG13 plus 3
Desmond Bane
Jaylen Brown
Naz Reid
Derrick White for chump change
Jrue Holiday for chump change with picks coming back
Stand pat

Infinity, I give you credit. If sheer enthusiasm for a deal is enough to will it into existence, you are well on your way to nabbing Brown. I will say that Tatum's injury throws new light there, but very very likely they focus on dealing Holiday, if possible, or KP before Brown or White.

If somehow Bane became available, I'd be all over that deal.

These are the guys I'd take shots at. Most have had trade discussions by a lot of people other than myself, and I see sound reasons for the teams wanting to trade the players. Of course we wouldn't be the top bidder for each and every one, that's why we need to take more than 1-2 shots. I'll say again, I never though Dallas would trade Luka either. He's more talented, higher rated than Brown, more important to his team, and not paying super max (ala Brown) seems to be the primary reason. Moving Porzingas, Holiday, White, etc doesn't change the fact they have two supermax contracts, and the current owners didn't sign off on that. How many other teams have two supermax players? You need to move two of those guys to equal Brown's contract. Is he worth two of them?

Oh I know better not to try to argue the point.

[Michael Jackson]

There are about to be a ridiculous amount of trades with the league being so wide open due to the 2nd apron, injuries, and the draft.

Big time shake ups. AK better not get duped and destroy our future.

Well, he’s already clogged the remaining decade’s books with a significant chunk for Patrick. Unless he has a dramatic turnaround, that’s just one unnecessary obstacle already in a league where cap relief will become even more important.

While at the same time trading Zach for expirings, clearing up far more cap space than $18 mill, lol. Pat decision was poor, but not nearly crippling. Plus Vucevic is expiring. We're projected to be a top cap space team next summer. Drafting Matas correctly at 12 is a bigger impact than Pat's contract. It's not a given he drafts Matas, 11 other GM's passed on him. AK could have been the 12th.

Could be worse. Coud have kept Caruso, re-signed him to the same contract the Thunder signed him to, instead of trading him for Giddey. Criticizing him for cap management is unfair, imo. He's made far more good deals than bad in terms of re-signing players.

He's right about teams are going to be scrambling this summer and this season dealing with apron penalties, not just the financial sides. Add in repeater tax increase, our expiring contracts will be gold by the trade deadline. For teams that are not top 4 contenders, this is 10's to 100's of millions of actual dollars they're paying extra for an above average product. Explain that to your shareholders/owners. $30-$50 mill extra and not even top 10?

We're talking about Jrue Holiday and Derrick White trades with the Celtics, we should kill them in those trades. They're looking at over $200 mill in luxury tax alone and not top 5 without Tatum. Probably close to half a billion in cost, in a league with a $188 mill salary cap. The new owners are going to be THIRSTY for somebody to take those contracts. Brooklyn could probably get Holiday or White for a second round pick. Celtics save over $70-80 mill in actual cash. People think there's no way the new owners will trade Brown, they didn't sign that contract and Tatum wasn't out indefinitely. They could get a lot of assets, clear a ton of cap space and reset trading Brown.

The Patrick problemn is of length not really his per year. sadly 18 mil isn't a "bad contract" in the NBA anymore. funny that the big 3 all signed for 9 mil per in Miami if that says anything about the NBA economy.

[Michael Jackson]

I guess it depends on how you feel about Kuminga and paying him $30-$35M. The parts I struggle with are that he's both a below-average defender and 3pt shooter. IMO you need to be able to shoot 3's (and ft's) to be a #1 option, and you need to be a decent defender if you are a #2. Coby, Giddey, Kuminga would be a big problem defensively.

The Kuminga price tag is really the issue. GSW does not want to pay him so he is going to highest bidder. They are looking for a S&T likely as he is UFA and really not many have enough capspace to sign him outright... Maybe 1-2 teams?

I think he ends up getting about $20-22 million a year. I don't think he's going to approach 30. Track record is not there.

Perhaps that puts us into JSmith/Ball range. Not sure who GS would prefer between Vuc and Smith ar this point although id assume Vuc.

At $22 million i can live with Kuminga. Think he can be a good scorer and defender with right coaching. Not a knock on Kerr, but development wise Golden State was probably the worst place imaginable.

His age is an advantage and his ability to score is pretty high, everything else is trash IMHO. His youth though very well can make someone overbid. He shows certain flashes, I would not pay 30 but it surely wouldn't shock me of he got it in some sign and trade. 30 Mil also isn't what it used to be. I hope no one pays that but desperate times. Would the nets just because they can and this FA class is nothing to write home about? Anyone do a S&T for that (looking at you Artie smells like a silly move you would make and spin as "timeline and potential")

[Michael Jackson]

Reports out that Pelicans are not trading Zion this summer. Takes 1 big name off the block. Imo, with Boston getting new owners and Tatum out for so long, Jaylen Brown may be available. To me, the possibly attainable high end players with our assets this summer are: Ja Morant, Desmond Bane, Jaylen Brown, Kevin Durant, Naz Reid, Jrue Holiday, Lauri Markannen, Derrick White, PG13 plus pick 3. Am I missing anybody?

My order would be:
PG13 plus 3
Desmond Bane
Jaylen Brown
Naz Reid
Derrick White for chump change
Jrue Holiday for chump change with picks coming back
Stand pat

Well he does do an awful lot of standing around... I think at this point I would rather sit him.

[Infinity2152]

Infinity, I give you credit. If sheer enthusiasm for a deal is enough to will it into existence, you are well on your way to nabbing Brown. I will say that Tatum's injury throws new light there, but very very likely they focus on dealing Holiday, if possible, or KP before Brown or White.

If somehow Bane became available, I'd be all over that deal.

These are the guys I'd take shots at. Most have had trade discussions by a lot of people other than myself, and I see sound reasons for the teams wanting to trade the players. Of course we wouldn't be the top bidder for each and every one, that's why we need to take more than 1-2 shots. I'll say again, I never though Dallas would trade Luka either. He's more talented, higher rated than Brown, more important to his team, and not paying super max (ala Brown) seems to be the primary reason. Moving Porzingas, Holiday, White, etc doesn't change the fact they have two supermax contracts, and the current owners didn't sign off on that. How many other teams have two supermax players? You need to move two of those guys to equal Brown's contract. Is he worth two of them?

Oh I know better not to try to argue the point.

Definitely not trying to argue the point, my brother. Those are just the reasons I think he might be available. Have no way of knowing what's going on in the Celtics offices, they could already have a trade offer for Holiday, lol. List of possible moves, not necessarily probable. I don't think any of those guys are currently "ungettable" with our assets except maybe Brown (depending on how high the new owners value him), price would probably be the main factor.

Could other teams outbid us for any one of them? Of course. Will other teams outbid us for all of them? Maybe not. Maybe we call about Brown and that opens up the trade for White. I love an active GM calling everybody. Call about Ja (who I don't want), get rejected, turn the conversation to Bane.

Not going to lie, I'm astounded at how untradeable people seem to consider Jaylen Brown on a supermax is, considering Luka just got traded and Giannis may be on the block, and they're both better than him. Is he even top 10? I'd consider Wemby, SGA, Banchero, Tatum, Brunson, Edwards, Curry, Jokic, Haliburton, Mitchell, maybe a few more as untradeable. Brown doesn't make the list anymore. Devin Booker doesn't even make the list anymore, lol.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/celtics-predicted-to-move-jaylen-brown-in-massive-trade-idea/ar-AA1F4F5f

I'm not alone.

[GuardianEnzo]

Reports out that Pelicans are not trading Zion this summer. Takes 1 big name off the block. Imo, with Boston getting new owners and Tatum out for so long, Jaylen Brown may be available. To me, the possibly attainable high end players with our assets this summer are: Ja Morant, Desmond Bane, Jaylen Brown, Kevin Durant, Naz Reid, Jrue Holiday, Lauri Markannen, Derrick White, PG13 plus pick 3. Am I missing anybody?

My order would be:
PG13 plus 3
Desmond Bane
Jaylen Brown
Naz Reid
Derrick White for chump change
Jrue Holiday for chump change with picks coming back
Stand pat

I saw that report re: Zion and wondered whether it's actually legit or if it's a ploy to increase his market value.

I think it pretty transparently is just that.

[Infinity2152]

Reports out that Pelicans are not trading Zion this summer. Takes 1 big name off the block. Imo, with Boston getting new owners and Tatum out for so long, Jaylen Brown may be available. To me, the possibly attainable high end players with our assets this summer are: Ja Morant, Desmond Bane, Jaylen Brown, Kevin Durant, Naz Reid, Jrue Holiday, Lauri Markannen, Derrick White, PG13 plus pick 3. Am I missing anybody?

My order would be:
PG13 plus 3
Desmond Bane
Jaylen Brown
Naz Reid
Derrick White for chump change
Jrue Holiday for chump change with picks coming back
Stand pat

I saw that report re: Zion and wondered whether it's actually legit or if it's a ploy to increase his market value.

I think it pretty transparently is just that.

You guys thinks it increases his market value by taking him off the market after his season is already over? In a summer when Ja and Giannis may be available? Ballsy move. Once the first big moves get made, harder and harder to find trades. Teams aren't going to ignore his injury history because he's taken off the block, just going to result in less teams calling.

[ProcessDoctor]

Small trade request. Interested in Jalen Smith. Would two solid 2nds do it? Oubre + Gordon would be expiring fillers.

[sco]

Small trade request. Interested in Jalen Smith. Would two solid 2nds do it? Oubre + Gordon would be expiring fillers.

I REALLY like Smith. IMO, we should have given him a good look at starting. That said, Billy refuses to play him. I'd rather get value for him than see him sit on the bench. I'd do that deal, but would prefer to get your '28 first from LAC + filler.

[ProcessDoctor]

Small trade request. Interested in Jalen Smith. Would two solid 2nds do it? Oubre + Gordon would be expiring fillers.

I REALLY like Smith. IMO, we should have given him a good look at starting. That said, Billy refuses to play him. I'd rather get value for him than see him sit on the bench. I'd do that deal, but would prefer to get your '28 first from LAC + filler.

Nah the LAC pick is unprotected and 1 year after Kawhi's contract expires.

[Chi town]

There are about to be a ridiculous amount of trades with the league being so wide open due to the 2nd apron, injuries, and the draft.

Big time shake ups. AK better not get duped and destroy our future.

Well, he’s already clogged the remaining decade’s books with a significant chunk for Patrick. Unless he has a dramatic turnaround, that’s just one unnecessary obstacle already in a league where cap relief will become even more important.

I feel good about healthy Pat getting traded out of here

[WesPeace]

Why would you guys like to ruin youth movement with some bad washed up PG13 or Durant trades??? Just uuuugh