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Re: Bears thread 13 

Post#841 » by HearshotKDS » Yesterday 7:41 pm

Dresden wrote:Can someone explain what an "outside zone run" is? Apparently that's where Swift gained most of his yards last game. Is that the same as what they used to call a "sweep"? Harrison Graham was making the point that some of our linemen are better at that kind of run play whereas others are better at whatever else there is.

To grossly simplify outside zone is asking the OL to move either left or right "to the outside" instead of blocking straight downhill at the defense (on a successful outside zone your OL will get downfield eventually but they often have to "race to a spot" before they can turn downfield). RB follows in the direction of/parallel to the Oline, reads where the hole ends up being, makes 1 cut and hits it has hard as he can.

A sweep is a run play where the intent is to get the RB so far outside that they can "turn the corner" on the defense. Some outside zone plays will end up as sweeps, but the intent of the outside zone run is really to give the OL a chance to make a hole anywhere along their moving line and its the RBs job to read the blocking and "find a hole". A traditional sweep the RB is basically footracing to the outside no matter what because its specifically targeting the outside. Hope that makes sense.
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Post#842 » by GinWeary » Yesterday 8:14 pm

Dresden wrote:Ben Johnson said DJ is back in Chicago now, and was dealing with a "groin issue". Must have been more than a muscle pull if he stayed in the hospital overnight. As someone else mentioned, it sounds like something internal was going on, like maybe a kidney or spleen bruise.


Obviously, some of the social media sports doctors who comment on injuries are purely speculative, but the two I've seen both speculate that it might've been something a bit more sensitive :o Something that makes guys uncomfortable to even talk about.
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Re: Bears thread 13 

Post#843 » by fleet » Yesterday 8:22 pm

the ultimates wrote:I like QBR because it at least looks to give credit to dual-threat quarterbacks who can pick up yards with their legs in passing situations and in the designed quarterback run game. However, if you are being objective, there is no way Daniels gets a 69.6 yesterday and Williams 37.2. If you want to say Daniels should have the higher QBR because of completion percentage, total touchdowns (3 vs 2), and a plus 21 in total yards accounted for, I get that. The two critical turnovers should not still have a differential of over 30 between the two. The math ain't mathin.



PFF gave Caleb the worst rating of all starting QBs...even worse than negative net passing yards JF.

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Post#844 » by jnrjr79 » Yesterday 8:34 pm

fleet wrote:
the ultimates wrote:I like QBR because it at least looks to give credit to dual-threat quarterbacks who can pick up yards with their legs in passing situations and in the designed quarterback run game. However, if you are being objective, there is no way Daniels gets a 69.6 yesterday and Williams 37.2. If you want to say Daniels should have the higher QBR because of completion percentage, total touchdowns (3 vs 2), and a plus 21 in total yards accounted for, I get that. The two critical turnovers should not still have a differential of over 30 between the two. The math ain't mathin.



PFF gave Caleb the worst rating of all starting QBs...even worse than negative net passing yards JF.

PFF is rapidly cementing its reputation as a resource of contradiction to your eyes. Do you believe PFF, or your lying eyes.


Yeah, I'd say of all the main film-review analysis outlets, their scores tend to be pretty wildly inconsistent with reality.
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Post#845 » by Bulls69 » Yesterday 8:45 pm

Dresden wrote:I do agree it's possible the offense would look better with Bagent starting right now, but Caleb has shown enough this season to believe he's a long term answer, provided he keeps improving. I'd still love to see Bagent start a game this year just to see how he does in this offense.

Why do our base have a love fest with backups? I guaranteed after Monday night game the Commanders fans are not crying for their backup CW is getting better as the season goes on.


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Post#846 » by Bulls69 » Yesterday 8:56 pm

I'm looking at Parsons stats with the Packers 2.5 sacks for 47 mil a year plus two first rounds lol built through the draft.


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Post#847 » by biggestbullsfan » Yesterday 10:41 pm

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I don’t like this at all. Trap game for sure.

Not even a trap game. We still developing lol
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Post#848 » by Dominator83 » Yesterday 11:01 pm

Bulls69 wrote:
Dresden wrote:I do agree it's possible the offense would look better with Bagent starting right now, but Caleb has shown enough this season to believe he's a long term answer, provided he keeps improving. I'd still love to see Bagent start a game this year just to see how he does in this offense.

Why do our base have a love fest with backups? I guaranteed after Monday night game the Commanders fans are not crying for their backup CW is getting better as the season goes on.


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Daniels is proven and already has two playoff victories under his belt. What has Caleb done? Other than lead the league in misfired throws of course
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Post#849 » by NZB2323 » Yesterday 11:23 pm

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I don’t like this at all. Trap game for sure.

Not even a trap game. We still developing lol


I think the team has enough areas for improvement where that’s the where the focus is, not on the strength of our opponent.

We’re not good enough to have a trap game.
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Post#850 » by Dresden » Yesterday 11:43 pm

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Dresden wrote:Can someone explain what an "outside zone run" is? Apparently that's where Swift gained most of his yards last game. Is that the same as what they used to call a "sweep"? Harrison Graham was making the point that some of our linemen are better at that kind of run play whereas others are better at whatever else there is.

To grossly simplify outside zone is asking the OL to move either left or right "to the outside" instead of blocking straight downhill at the defense (on a successful outside zone your OL will get downfield eventually but they often have to "race to a spot" before they can turn downfield. RB follows in the direction of/parallel to the Oline, reads where the hole ends up being, makes 1 cut and hits it has hard as he can.

A sweep is a run play where the intent is to get the RB to get so far outside that they can "turn the corner" on the defense. Some outside zone plays will end up as sweeps, but the intent of the outside zone run is really to give the OL a chance to make a hole anywhere along their moving line and its the RBs job to read the blocking and "find a hole". A traditional sweep the RB is basically footracing to the outside no matter what because its specifically targeting the outside. Hope that makes sense.


Thanks for clarifying the difference between those two. In any case, I hope they've found something with whatever scheme they were running on Monday, and Swift can continue to have more holes to run through.
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Post#851 » by biggestbullsfan » Yesterday 11:44 pm

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Post#852 » by Dresden » Yesterday 11:45 pm

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I don’t like this at all. Trap game for sure.

Not even a trap game. We still developing lol


It does have that feel to it. No team is so bad in the NFL that they can't beat someone, and we're not exactly title contenders ourselves. Just last week ATL beat BUF pretty easily.
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Post#853 » by nomorezorro » Yesterday 11:55 pm

yeah at this point we're just a team that can lose any game (even beyond the standard "any given sunday" caveat), and the saints are scrappy enough that you can't just assume you beat them if you're not an elite team.

i think if we want to be progressing in the right direction this should be a good game for the offense, but you can't say that's the expectation or be surprised if it doesn't happen
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Post#854 » by Dresden » Today 12:47 am

About the only teams I'd feel comfortable saying "we for sure should win this game" would be v. the Jets or the Titans.
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Post#855 » by dice » Today 1:48 am

NZB2323 wrote:I think the team has enough areas for improvement where that’s the where the focus is, not on the strength of our opponent.

We’re not good enough to have a trap game.

yeah, at least a 30% chance of a loss, so it shouldn't take anyone by surprise if it happens
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Post#856 » by patryk7754 » Today 1:52 am

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“Chubb and Phillips are far more likely to be dealt before November 4th’s deadline, but it won’t stop teams from checking in on Waddle and Achane.
A fire sale could be in the works for a Dolphins team seemingly headed for a major rebuild. “

(via Jeremy Fowler)

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